Is Counterflow a valid traffic violation?

[putalittlemore]

Hehe, may malakas ang loob na lespu na pumara ng Exped sa may Taft. Hindi ko alam kung anong violation, pero beating the red light siguro kasi nung dumaan ako nagdilaw na at nasa likod ko siya. Kinatok niya, binuksan nung Exped yung blinkers niya + wang wang, tumabi bigla si lespu at unti unting lumayo dahil tablado. Kailan kaya ulit papara ng Exped yun?

Masarap talaga kapag maganda ang tsikot mo, o kaya paborito ng pulitiko.

aba aba aba... makapag dark tint na rin nga, sabay install ng blinker and wang wang.

[Helios]

Advice ko lang sir batang_raon14 that the implementation of traffic laws around this place however clear or vague they might be, are still dependent on whoever is enforcing it at that time. Attempting to counterflow out of your own accord will draw a violation anywhere, while in some instances and areas a third lane is encouraged by some enforcers to ease up traffic on intersections and bottlenecks. The key my friend, is if an area is unfamiliar to you, stick with the book and not the vehicle in front of you. Otherwise take note of the enforcer's own custom-made system. In the Philippines, one stoplight is different to the next. Unfortunately this does not apply to high profile dudes.

[zhardan]

Guys, I was cruising along Roxas Blvd. yesterday around 12 noon and turned right on P. Ocampo (street in front of CCP). May dalawang stoplights dun. Ung isa tabi ng gas station at ung isa naman sa pakaliwa ng Harrison.

Nung nasa tabi na ako ng gas station, I halted dahil RED ang stoplight. Now, eto nangyari: Since 4 lane ung daan (2 papuntang taft, at 2 pabalik ccp). May Ford Explorer (pick-up version) na nag-occupy ng 3rd lane (which was supposed to be para sa mga pabalik ccp). After nya may sumunod naman na Honda SIR. Nagtaka ako kasi pinara ng traffic enforcer (naka-brown) ung SIR pero ung Explorer hinayaan lang nya. Di naman otso o diplomat ung plaka. Eh since naka-open windows ko (tumigil kasi buhos ng ulan nun at tipid ako sa aircon dahil malamig na), couldn't help but overhear what the enforcer told the driver. Eto sabi: "Pano nyan counterflow ka? Violation yan eh... tabi mo muna ha?"

WTH? Then I checked the LTO website regarding counterflow as a violation and what I found were violations that could be connected to the case but this is what I found weird. Can you consider it as counterflow if:

1. No traffic was directly against the lane taken by the SIR which just followed the EXPLORER.
2. The SIR was half inside the proper lane (dahil sagad na nakagilid ung mga sasakyad sa right-most lane); and
3. How come the SIR was halted while the EXPLORER wasn't? To the fact na dalawa silang pulis na nandun nung time na yun?

Could anyone shed some light on this? TIA.

And pls., di po ako nagkukunwari na hindi ako ung driver ng SIR. You could tell by my sig na nandun lang talaga ako nung sinita siya. =D

Sir, yung center line separating the two-way traffic ay solid white ba? If solid white, you should stay only in any one of the two lanes assigned to your direction. Kung lumabas yung gulong ng car sa solid center line as in the Honda SIR, then it is a violation. It may not be called 'counter flow' but it is a violation.

[LexTer]

langya talaga dito sa atin... 2 violation nung Expy na yun ah. bad call para dun sa pulis na yun...

pagkaka-alam ko, 3 lang ang authorized gumamit nang blinkers at wang-wang (with exception sa mga patrol car, ambulance at fire trucks):

President
Senate President
Speaker of the House

correct me na lang if I'm wrong.

at chief justice.

[Kanut]

Sir, yung center line separating the two-way traffic ay solid white ba? If solid white, you should stay only in any one of the two lanes assigned to your direction. Kung lumabas yung gulong ng car sa solid center line as in the Honda SIR, then it is a violation. It may not be called 'counter flow' but it is a violation.

so ano ngayon ang violation ni sir??

[danesjr]

so ano ngayon ang violation ni sir??

driving against traffic.

solid white ang center line dyan. that intersection sucks big time dahil sa counterflow, ok lang sana kung kakaliwa ng harisson kaso padiretso din yung nagka-counterflow.
kung brown yung nanghuli, pasay traffic yan. AFAIK, manila na yang intersection na yan.

[froshie1]

Yes bro ang counterflow traffic violation sya at hindi lang sya traffic violation the vehicle counterflowing is endangering the lives of other people kaya iyong 2.5k na multa eh chicken lang,dapat lakihan pa.

Sa situation na binigay mo dapat 2 silang hinuli at hindi lang dapat iyong SIR.

[VtEC]

yup, it's a violation and a stupid thing a driver can think of.

[Dr.Kamiya]

Huli talaga yun! You're not supposed to go against opposing traffic. Even if you're only half in the opposite lane, violation pa rin. If your lane was half taken by a car on the right, then you should've stayed behind the car that was half in your lane.

Yung malabo lang talaga dito selective enforcement kasi. Dapat talaga pati yung explorer hinuli din.

[afrasay]

Let's just accept the fact that Expeditions, Explorers, Patrols, Navigators, BMWs, Mercs, etc, are immune from traffic violations. For the traffic enforcers and police thought that the owners of these are bigshot politicians or somehow connected to the higher ones. This is the Filifins baby!

Hey, you forgot movie celebrities :D

[1D4LV]

it is clearly a traffic violation because for one, it obstructs oncoming traffic, and second, it endangers lives.

ang problem lang dito sa pilipinas is that it is really not enforced strictly.. in fact, most traffic aides (specially in the case of las pinas), encourages this.

[afrasay]

Advice ko lang sir batang_raon14 that the implementation of traffic laws around this place however clear or vague they might be, are still dependent on whoever is enforcing it at that time. Attempting to counterflow out of your own accord will draw a violation anywhere, while in some instances and areas a third lane is encouraged by some enforcers to ease up traffic on intersections and bottlenecks. The key my friend, is if an area is unfamiliar to you, stick with the book and not the vehicle in front of you. Otherwise take note of the enforcer's own custom-made system. In the Philippines, one stoplight is different to the next. Unfortunately this does not apply to high profile dudes.

Agree ako dito.

[afrasay]

it is clearly a traffic violation because for one, it obstructs oncoming traffic, and second, it endangers lives.

ang problem lang dito sa pilipinas is that it is really not enforced strictly.. in fact, most traffic aides (specially in the case of las pinas), encourages this.

Eto yun delicado pag may tumatawid na nakatingin sa right just before they cross the centerline not knowing may vehicle na parating sa left. But then again this wouldn't happen if they cross at the designated pedestrian crossing.

[sirmykel]

no, kung pinacounterflow kayo.
pero kung ikaw ang magggawa ng sariling counterflow mo, YES

[n5110]

Sa Bacoor/Las Pinas,- way of life ang counterflow. Imagine, you're stucked in traffic for 15minutes because the traffic enforcers are 'lending' all of the lanes to the 'counter-flow'.... hehehe. Worse along coastal road going to Cavite,- 30minutes pa yata.... tsk tsk

Count na lang from 1 to sawa to ease the mounting *#$%...

+1 . buti na lang talaga may friendship route sticker.

"counterflow" or as LTO List of Penalty under "Other Violation"says: Driving against traffic (68B), has a corresponding fine of PhP 150. pero kapag ang violation is Reckless Driving then:

1st offense = 500
2nd offense = 750
3rd offense = 1000

here is the link:http://www.lto.gov.ph/fines2.html#v11

wish ko lang i enforce nila ito. lalo na kasi kumagrabe ang way of driving dito sa atin. daming style na jologs.

[kuyapete]

Eto yun delicado pag may tumatawid na nakatingin sa right just before they cross the centerline not knowing may vehicle na parating sa left. But then again this wouldn't happen if they cross at the designated pedestrian crossing.

ang daming cases na ganito sa may corner ng domestic road and airport road (doon sa may caltex station). madalas may lumalabas na galing caltex turning left and going towards domestic airport, so pagbibigyan ng mga naka stop na vehicles going to NAIA, tapos ung mga nag c0-counter flow, obvious di makikita ung tatawid na sasakyan and likewise, ung mga tatawid, sa right titingin to avoid oncoming traffic and not the left where these stupid counter flowers pass. madalas mga mc naaaksidente, which they deserve.

i have no compassion for counterflowers, madalas pag magisa ako at naka tapat ako ng counterflower sa lane ko, tinututukan ko para hirap siya makabalik sa lane niya. sabay bright ng headlights.

[FedEx]

for me it is a valid violation and dapat pati ung 1 sasakyan huliin din

[OILSLICK]

Sa tingin ko, dapat nagmamando ng traffic yung pulis at hindi nagtatago while waiting for violators. Kaya naman walang ka-amor-amor sakin ang karamihan sa mga pulis. Ugaling t*e kasi.

tama kayo jan sir Otep .. iyong tugak na pulis pinara ako jan from roxas blvd mag right turn sana ako punta diplomat bldg malapit sa MC DO hndi ko napansin iyong NO ENTRY pa right turn pa lang ako bigla ba nman may tumayo pulis nakatago sa mga maliit na puno at kasama mga vendors ..ask niya ako kung hndi ko nakita iyo NO ENTRY eh hindi ko nman talaga nakita sobra taas na naka tagilid pa he he ..sabi ko sa pulis sumakay ka nga d2 sa kotse at tinggan mo kung mkita mo iyan signboard ..tapos inunahan ko na ng galit dapat sa iyo nagmando ka ng flow ng traffic at hindi ka nagtatago sa puno ohh pati iyan name plate mo nakatago din hindi na kinuha license ko sabi sa akin eh sir nagpapahingga lang at medyo mainit..

[m2's kumander]

yup, traffic violation yan.

sobrang delikado kapag may nagcounterflow. delikado na sa mga motorist at pati sa mga pedestrians.

sana patupad na mabuti yun no counterflow sa lahat ng lugar

[buriroy]

Sa Bacoor/Las Pinas,- way of life ang counterflow. Imagine, you're stucked in traffic for 15minutes because the traffic enforcers are 'lending' all of the lanes to the 'counter-flow'.... hehehe. Worse along coastal road going to Cavite,- 30minutes pa yata.... tsk tsk

Count na lang from 1 to sawa to ease the mounting *#$%...

Kasalanan din ng mga traffic cops/enforcers yan. Motorists develop a "counterflow mentality" since they authorize counterflows pag nag
tra-trapik sila especially during rush hours.
Ngayon ang nangyayari kahit walang parak/enforcer, kanya-kanya
na ring counterflow thinking or justifying to themselves that its "legal".