Can someone explain how this happened?

[oj88]

No one, in his right mind, will intentionally cause an "accident" whether it's an MC or a car driver.

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That statement is true. But that's not the problem. Thing is, the streets are littered with people who are NOT in their right minds.

[leonleon]

For me, mali yung MC.

Mabilis siya.

Pasok na pasok na si Sedan eh.

Dapat nagmenor na si MC.

[_Cathy_]

For me, mali yung MC.

Mabilis siya.

Pasok na pasok na si Sedan eh.

Dapat nagmenor na si MC.

Hindi marunong mag brake at mag menor ang MC

[dr. d]

mali yun sedan. kasi no right turn on red signal, simpleng-simple

right turn on red signal is allowed, WITH CAUTION, unless there is:
a. signage that says otherwise; or
b. there is a right turn signal arrow that cycles from red to green.

as an aside, left turn is also allowed, also with caution, unless similar conditions as above, are present.

[yebo]

For me, mali yung MC.

Mabilis siya.

Pasok na pasok na si Sedan eh.

Dapat nagmenor na si MC.

typical jeepney driver logic. nauna bumper mo so ikaw ang tama?

try mo mag-motor. at 60 kph try to slam the brakes and you will see what happens.

as i said do not judge the stopping distance of other vehicles by YOUR car's specs. paano kung 18-wheeler na trailer yun instead na mc, will you dare make that right turn? i doubt it.

[Ddlord11]

Which is why 18 wheelers are limited to 30kph, and card and motorcycles to 40, 20 when approaching an intersection. Where are you getting 60 from?

[minicarph]

Which is why 18 wheelers are limited to 30kph, and card and motorcycles to 40, 20 when approaching an intersection. Where are you getting 60 from?

parang radar gun ang mata ni fafa yebs based on the amount of blur ng Mc sa footage, dun nya nakuha na running at 60kph yun

[Ddlord11]

Haha 60 n agad snsbi niya even before I posted pictures

[mcoy123]

Pa-chime in. .. I also ride bikes and mc's, if the brales are applied properly. . . They will have shorter stopping distances versus other four wheeled vehicles since they have less mass.

I felt what the sedan did wrongly was instead of braking when the bike moved into his lane. He grabbed the other lane causing the unnecessarily fasr mc to hit him who also failed to apply his brakes properly.

[yebo]

i did not say the bike in the accident was running at 60 kph. i refered to that speed of 60 kph because that is the city speed limit in most of major MM roads and therefore it is best to assume that all vehicles will travel at maximum that speed. so when you are entering a major MM road it is best to assume that all vehicles in that road are at 60 kph irregardless of their real speed. that is a 4 lane + 4 lane road, not a side street where the limit is 40 kph.

tapos pag tinamaan ka sasabihin mo speeding yung tumama sa iyo e ikaw ang mali ng assumption na lahat ng nasa paligid mo e susunod sa speed mo na mabagal. idiot.

[Ddlord11]

Again what is your reference?

[glenn_duke]

Kita din sa mga pictures kung gaano ka walang disiplina karamihan sa mga MC rider.
Yung mga MC going pababa (from picture- 6 oclock, south, etc.), kahit na red sila dumerecho parin hanggang sa sunod na lane.

Sa TS kung may insurance ka from a reputable company, sila na pahawakin mo sa kaso mo.
Ipasa mo sa kanila yung mga claims ng MC driver.

I was also involve in a similar accident years ago, van vs MC, ganyan din pa turn ako.
I pass all claims to Prudential, pinaayos yung van ko pero kinontest nila yung claim ng MC, nagka kaso, at nanalo yung Prudential.

[zoomzoom]

Hindi marunong mag brake at mag menor ang MC

Agree.... feeling nila indestructible sila.... "I am invincible" motto nila.... tapos pag nagkaaksidente at sila mali, kala mo sinong maamong tupa....o di kaya tinatakbuhan nila... hit and run... parang walang nangyari.... deadma.

Sorry to say this, but most of these MC drivers don't practice defensive driving.....or they don't know defensive driving.

Dunno about others, but I usually slow down at interesections.... even when I am going straight, and the light is green....you just never know when the light will suddenly change to yellow, to red.... when some idiot pedestrian will suddenly think it's safe to cross... or when this TE manning the traffic changes his mind and overrides the green light and makes you stop nevertheless...etc. etc....

There is this poem......

"Here lies the body of George O'Day.
He died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right as he rode along,
But he is just as dead as if he were wrong."

[yebo]

Again what is your reference?

umamin ka na lang na nagkamali ka. that is if you are man enough to admit to your mistake. sablay na nga yung sympathy baiting expedition mo dito pinagpipilitan pa din ng malaking ego mo.

[yebo]

Agree.... feeling nila indestructible sila.... "I am invincible" motto nila.... tapos pag nagkaaksidente at sila mali, kala mo sinong maamong tupa....o di kaya tinatakbuhan nila... hit and run... parang walang nangyari.... deadma.

Sorry to say this, but most of these MC drivers don't practice defensive driving.....or they don't know defensive driving.

Dunno about others, but I usually slow down at interesections.... even when I am going straight, and the light is green....you just never know when the light will suddenly change to yellow, to red.... when some idiot pedestrian will suddenly think it's safe to cross... or when this TE manning the traffic changes his mind and overrides the green light and makes you stop nevertheless...etc. etc....

There is this poem......

"Here lies the body of George O'Day.
He died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right as he rode along,
But he is just as dead as if he were wrong."

i agree 100%. but the issue here is there is a car driver who is trying to pass the buck. the mc rider was at fault for possibly going too fast but it does not negate the fact that the ts did made a careless turn. mali kung mali yung mc for going fast pero mali pa din yung sudden swerve ng car to 3rd lane coming from a right turn.

[Ddlord11]

Just to be clear i'm not exonerating the blame on my end as some people are insinuating. I'm trying to establish whether the fault was purely mine or whether it's contributory on both our parts.

Pass the buck pa more. I never said there was no blame in my end. I also just explained the suspicions of my own mechanic, as per dash cam footage he made no move to avoid me, thus giving birth to the thought that he may either have not been paying attention or whatnot.

I acknowledge the fact that going into the second lane contributed to the accident, but I'm also convinced that there's fault to share here. Had he exercised proper caution before entering a blind intersection rather than bullishly asserting right of way then we could've avoided this inconvenience.

[Janemar]

Pass the buck pa more. I never said there was no blame in my end. I also just explained the suspicions of my own mechanic, as per dash cam footage he made no move to avoid me, thus giving birth to the thought that he may either have not been paying attention or whatnot.

I acknowledge the fact that going into the second lane contributed to the accident, but I'm also convinced that there's fault to share here. Had he exercised proper caution before entering a blind intersection rather than bullishly asserting right of way then we could've avoided this inconvenience.

I suggest sir na I contest nyo na lang sa proper authority, not sure saan, maybe sa court?

Wala rin naman kami magagawa dito sa tsikot, limited lang kami sa inputs na binibigay mo na, don't get me wrong, mostly favour sa iyo since you are convinced in a way na tama ka.

Nasabi na rin naman namin ang dapat masabi namin, just count it in and sum it up if that is your goal in posting this?

IMO, mga 90% mali ka and 10% mali ni MC.

On your side, tingin mo siguro 51% fault mo and 49% fault ni MC?

Your mechanic's view, 99% mali ni MC at sinadya pa...

The lists goes on...

Eto sir good vid for Right turn on red signal etiquette: How to Turn Right At An Intersection On A Red Light | Pass A Road Test Smart - YouTube

[dr. d]

Pass the buck pa more. I never said there was no blame in my end. I also just explained the suspicions of my own mechanic, as per dash cam footage he made no move to avoid me, thus giving birth to the thought that he may either have not been paying attention or whatnot.

I acknowledge the fact that going into the second lane contributed to the accident, but I'm also convinced that there's fault to share here. Had he exercised proper caution before entering a blind intersection rather than bullishly asserting right of way then we could've avoided this inconvenience.

looking at the pictures again, i do not think that was a blind intersection, from a bird's (or cctv's) point of view. visibility was good. the only reason i can think of, as to why sedan did not see the mc, was because sedan was not looking enough.
but if sedan thought it was a blind intersection, then the more sedan should have prudently refrained from turning.
and if i were to look for the one overwhelming reason why the accident occurred, this is probably it.

mc was overspeeding? it seems to me, just eyeballing the pictures, that mc was moving just as fast as the four-wheeled vehicles on the other side of the street, going the other way.

and the mechanic wasn't there. all he saw was your very limited dashcam view of the action. so his "testimony" probably won't amount to much.

so let me get this right... you are partly putting the blame on the other motorist, because he did not exercise more proper caution, to compensate for your exercising less proper caution?

[minicarph]

to the TS, sa Mmda surveillance video ba yan. tingen ko technically pwede ka manalo dyan kasi nakalawit ka na eh. tapos binangga ka pa right of way or not.

tama sila paasikaso mo na lang sa insurance yun expenses mo, then malamang with that footage, the insurance will not pay the MC kasi kiang-kita nman di man lang sya nag-menor

gamitin mo na lang lawyers ng insurance, panalo ka dyan with the footage. hope this helps

hindi naman kasi porkit right of way may license to bump ka na eh, syempre andun yun presevation ng life and property, ang akala yata nung motor porkit mali ka pwede ka na nya araruhin. since in this case, di nman sya napuruhan, wala na sya claim pero kung tumilapon sya, imaw TS ang mali . youve got a very good case here, buti napapayag mo Mmda na bigay sayo footage

[ninjababez]

I was also involve in a similar accident years ago, van vs MC, ganyan din pa turn ako.
I pass all claims to Prudential, pinaayos yung van ko pero kinontest nila yung claim ng MC, nagka kaso, at nanalo yung Prudential.

nagbayad ka pa sa insurance bro, aside from usual participation fee?