Big churches, Small parking lots. (or none at all)

[rfgoons]

They say God is everywhere, so you can worship anywhere. You don't have to show people you go to church to "pray".


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That was also my belief for a very long time, until I realized, upon deep reflection, why we are called to attend the holy mass. During the holy mass, we gather as a community of believers to worship and pray not only for ourselves but for and with others. As a community in brotherhood with Christ, we owe it upon ourselves to look and care, spiritually and physically, to our fellowmen. That is why when our Lord Jesus Christ taught us the "Lord's Prayer", He did not start with "My Father..." but "Our Father...". This is meant to be prayed in communion with others. When we say "Hail Mary..." we do not say "pray for me sinner now at the hour of my death" but "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." The priest does not also say "Let me pray" but "Let us pray". We pray for the living and our dead and even ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, the saints and angels to pray and intercede for us. Of course, there is nothing wrong in worshiping and praying anywhere and alone. That would build ones personal relationship and intimacy with the Almighty God. It is not, however, sufficient. We are also called to do our christian obligation. By the way, sorry for the long discussion and for being OT on this.

[leodawesome]

Maybe it's not within the capacity of the church to afford large lots. Also, yung ibang simbahan panahon pa ni kopong kopong nakatayo so yung lupa is di na naexpand. Di naman ganun kadami nagsisimba na may sasakyan dati. Let's face it, overcrowded talaga tayo dito sa metro. And come to think of it, every month boom ang sales ng sasakyan. Do the math (or physics?).

[jick.cejoco]

Harharhar check quiapo church outskirts, they even sell pampalaglag. Catholics at work


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[CLAVEL3699]

We are also called to do our christian obligation. By the way, sorry for the long discussion and for being OT on this.

Dba kasama sa inyong obligation ay hindi mamerwisyo nang inyong kapwa? Dba tinuturo din yan?

Alam na walang parking bakit hindi na lang mamasahe or maglakad hindi eh dun pa mismo magbaba nang pasahero nang mga maganda nyong sasakyan.

Kasehodang Nakikita na nila ang sobra haba nang traffic dahil sa kagagawan nang mga nakapark sa gitna nang kalsada.

[Vodka]

Maybe it's not within the capacity of the church to afford large lots. Also, yung ibang simbahan panahon pa ni kopong kopong nakatayo so yung lupa is di na naexpand. Di naman ganun kadami nagsisimba na may sasakyan dati. Let's face it, overcrowded talaga tayo dito sa metro. And come to think of it, every month boom ang sales ng sasakyan. Do the math (or physics?).

yep the city is overcrowded but that's a problem that the church and its goers should solve. the general public shouldn't be the one to bear the burden for the mere convenience of these churchgoers

this is the problem when it comes to issues w/ the church and/or "god". these people seem to have the divine priviledge because they're doing something "for god", so everyone can just phuck themselves. "i'm a christian and i'm gonna park in the middle of the road coz god says so"

[Vodka]

That was also my belief for a very long time, until I realized, upon deep reflection, why we are called to attend the holy mass. During the holy mass, we gather as a community of believers to worship and pray not only for ourselves but for and with others. As a community in brotherhood with Christ, we owe it upon ourselves to look and care, spiritually and physically, to our fellowmen. That is why when our Lord Jesus Christ taught us the "Lord's Prayer", He did not start with "My Father..." but "Our Father...". This is meant to be prayed in communion with others. When we say "Hail Mary..." we do not say "pray for me sinner now at the hour of my death" but "pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." The priest does not also say "Let me pray" but "Let us pray". We pray for the living and our dead and even ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, the saints and angels to pray and intercede for us. Of course, there is nothing wrong in worshiping and praying anywhere and alone. That would build ones personal relationship and intimacy with the Almighty God. It is not, however, sufficient. We are also called to do our christian obligation. By the way, sorry for the long discussion and for being OT on this.

that's exactly what the spaniards wanted you to do. attend church, get force-fed with their propaganda, confess your sins, hope to attain salvation that could only be gotten through their church. it let them keep tabs on everyone and maintain control

in the process it totally destroyed the filipino culture and spirit. the (bad) effects of which could be seen all around you today

[jave]

I don't really think it's a matter of religion but more on the tendency of people here to be short sighted or inconsiderate of strangers. Either hindi nila naisip na nakakaperwisyo na sila or wala sila pakialam na maging bastos o garapal sa mga hindi nila kilala.

Cases in point:
1. The scenario in which this thread is about. Wala sila pakialam makaperwisyo ng ibang tao basta makapark lang at makapagsimba. Or on a related note, mga taong nagsisimba pero nakaharang sa daanan ng tao. Paano kaya makakapasok at makalabas ang iba?
2. PUV's stopping everywhere and commuters loading and unloading anywhere.
3. Maglakad ka lang kung saan, ang daming tumatambay na nakaharang sa daan or kung maglakad buong hilera hinarangan tapos ang bagal bagal pa.
4. Naglalakad ka tapos biglang may bobo mag cut sa harap tapos biglang tigil para kausapin yung mga barkada.

[CLAVEL3699]

I don't really think it's a matter of religion but more on the tendency of people here to be short sighted or inconsiderate of strangers. Either hindi nila naisip na nakakaperwisyo na sila or wala sila pakialam na maging bastos o garapal sa mga hindi nila kilala.

Cases in point:
1. The scenario in which this thread is about. Wala sila pakialam makaperwisyo ng ibang tao basta makapark lang at makapagsimba. Or on a related note, mga taong nagsisimba pero nakaharang sa daanan ng tao. Paano kaya makakapasok at makalabas ang iba?
2. PUV's stopping everywhere and commuters loading and unloading anywhere.
3. Maglakad ka lang kung saan, ang daming tumatambay na nakaharang sa daan or kung maglakad buong hilera hinarangan tapos ang bagal bagal pa.
4. Naglalakad ka tapos biglang may bobo mag cut sa harap tapos biglang tigil para kausapin yung mga barkada.

Teaching of the church ang issue dito... Alam naman nang tiga simbahan ang problem bakit hindi nila sabihan ang mga umaattend nang miss nila.

Or wala din pakialam ang simbahan.

[jave]

*Clav:

Your last sentence is most probably the most accurate one. One or two priests (most likely foreign ones) might have included it in his Homily but the listeners are probably too thick or stubborn to change. Church in general thinks they have bigger fish to fry. Other priests don't think of this as an issue or realize its existence, maybe because such attitude is already ingrained in this damaged culture.

[rfgoons]

Dba kasama sa inyong obligation ay hindi mamerwisyo nang inyong kapwa? Dba tinuturo din yan?

Alam na walang parking bakit hindi na lang mamasahe or maglakad hindi eh dun pa mismo magbaba nang pasahero nang mga maganda nyong sasakyan.

Kasehodang Nakikita na nila ang sobra haba nang traffic dahil sa kagagawan nang mga nakapark sa gitna nang kalsada.

Yes, you are correct on this. Lahat naman ng major religions preached na huwag mamerwisho sa iba. However, part of being a christian and a catholic is the fact that we are all sinners. We struggle everyday from sin and the temptation of sin. We struggle each day in doing good. That is the reason why we pray everyday from deliverance from sin. Being a christian does not mean being perfect or being blameless or faultless. But, it does not also mean that we live by sin. It means that we must avoid the occassion of sin and to do good. Even our saints, during their lifetime, are not free from sin and temptation. St. Augustine led a worldly life before he became holy. St. Camillus was a cruel soldier before he was converted. It is a matter of overcoming our sinful tendencies.

I am grateful for this thread as it gives us and the others who read this the opportunity to correct our mistakes and to value the rights of others and to respect traffic rules. It makes us realized our shortcomings. Thank you.

[170kphlang]

one word: courtesy

Sent from Constantinople

[automot0]

banal na aso santong kabayo natatawa ako hihihihi

sino dito ang hindi pa nakaabala o nakaperwisyo ng kapwa sa kalsada kahit minsan...hihihihi

[CLAVEL3699]

Even our saints, during their lifetime, are not free from sin and temptation. St. Augustine led a worldly life before he became holy. St. Camillus was a cruel soldier before he was converted. It is a matter of overcoming our sinful tendencies.

I am grateful for this thread as it gives us and the others who read this the opportunity to correct our mistakes and to value the rights of others and to respect traffic rules. It makes us realized our shortcomings. Thank you.

Dyan ako nagtataka tao naging santo at dinadasalan/sinasamba... Naniniwala ba kayo sa 10commandment?

OT na ba ako.

[jick.cejoco]

Promoted, naging santo. Bakit ang ibang religion walang santo?


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[red_one]

it is not the responsibility of the church to tell you where to park. rather, it is your responsibility to park your vehicle where it doesn't bother anyone or ongoing traffic. the church does not need to teach you about responsible driving or parking.

and how many churchgoers have cars? majority of the people simply commute or walk to church.

lastly, blame the city government or local traffic enforcers for not doing something about it. they are the ones who should.

[CLAVEL3699]

it is not the responsibility of the church to tell you where to park. rather, it is your responsibility to park your vehicle where it doesn't bother anyone or ongoing traffic. the church does not need to teach you about responsible driving or parking.

and how many churchgoers have cars? majority of the people simply commute or walk to church.

lastly, blame the city government or local traffic enforcers for not doing something about it. they are the ones who should.

Dun po sa Mindanao ave. traffic enforcer pa ang nagpapark sa kalsada.

Pero pwede naman po ipag utos nang simbahan na bawal mag park sa kalsada katulad nang sa Mindanao. Alam naman nang parokya na wala sila parking bakit hindi nila ipag bawal.

Tama ka nasa tao din yan. Kami pagnagsimba kami sa Rosario church, hindi kami dala nang kotse commute dahil ayaw namin mag park sa kalsada.

[red_one]

Dun po sa Mindanao ave. traffic enforcer pa ang nagpapark sa kalsada.

if the local traffic enforcers are also the violators, report it to higher authorities or to the media.

[CLAVEL3699]

if the local traffic enforcers are also the violators, report it to higher authorities or to the media.

Dba dapat dun sa simbahan mismo...?

Problem with our country kailangan pa I-media ang isang problema para gumalaw lamang ang nakakarami.

[red_one]

Dba dapat dun sa simbahan mismo...?

Problem with our country kailangan pa I-media ang isang problema para gumalaw lamang ang nakakarami.

nope, if you go to the church, you will be barking at the wrong tree.

classic example: the church teaches the people not to steal. but take a look at our government officials and departments stealing people's money. heck, even LTO is stealing our money. my car is registered last April, yet wala pa rin ako LTO sticker hanggang ngayon!

[nori]

for old churches circa Spanish era, wala naman motor vehicle pa ng tinayo ang mga yan so parking space was not considered at that time.

good point. pero this can be remedied by NOT allowing vehicles to be parked along a major thoroughfare like in the case of quiapo. pwede naman sa side streets kung saan di makakaperwisyo. plus may mga malls with ample parking spaces near the vicinity like isetann and sm manila.

yung sa mindanao ave... hay naku.