Do you still value virginity?

[XUV-AT2002]

Certainly we should teach (and walk our talk) our children the values of good christian livving (for those whose religion is christianity). Virginity is just one of the many fruits of living out the ideals of being a christian in this challenging and difficult modern world.

[rion]

if majority of society defines virginity is just as lifestyle or superficial.

in Christian views, it's about man and woman's faith in their God. too bad, only women leaves evidence.

kaya nga white gowns sa church for purity eh...

it is clearly written: no fornication.

definition:

voluntary ***ual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

it doesn't mean you are condemned to hell though...

[webmiester]

^^^ Yes I've heard. I've been telling my friend to have a "second virginity" or to abstain from having *** again until after she gets married. She told me that she can't do that coz once you do it, the body looks for it already.

Yup, it's hard to stay away once we start, that's exactly the reason why it is important keep our virginity. It's like smoking or drugs wherein its hard to stop once we get addicted.

On relativity and superficiality: Only our understanding is relative. Virginity is superficial for those who view it as superficial. For those who understand a deeper meaning into it, it becomes more meaningful.

In the Physical aspect, virginity protects couples from STD's including AIDS, Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and Cervical Cancer.

In Congo, the AIDS rates have gone down by more than 20% simply by convincing their youth to remain virgins till they get married.

These physical aspects can be seen as the more "superficial" benefits pa lang. Deeper, more meaningful benefits await those who try to understand it even more.

[webmiester]

Just to clarify the relativity aspect:

Our understanding is the only thing relative. I believe that there is an absolute value, benefits (& disadvantages), importance, and effect to such issues as virginity. Our understanding may differ, but it doesn't change virginity per se.

An example is the debate on God. There is either a God, or there is no God. It cannot be both. Our understanding of whether or not there is a God or who God is (perhaps even Gods), may differ and be relative, but it doesnt change God's existence or nonexistence. So in the end, whoever wins in the debate is immaterial, because God's existence is not determined by the debate.

The relativity of our understanding though may change the way we act on a particular item. If you believe in God, you would probably pray to Him, if you don't, then you probably wouldn't.

Virginity is the same. Our belief and definitions will change the way we treat virginity, and some aspects of our lives, that part is relative. the importance (or non-importance), and its effects is the absolute value, and is not based on relativity anymore.

[yebo]

tawas lang katapat nyan.

nung wala pang religion sa mundo wala namang virgin e. the law of nature is the law of God. it is the nature of life to perpetuate itself, and survival of the species means to procreate. then when God revealed Himself to man one of the first commandments He gave was "go forth and multply". o di ba law of nature yan na naging law of God. so walang virgin-virgin nung panahon ng pre-history kasi law of nature ang sinusunod. procreation para dumami ang tao, hindi yang virgin-virgin na yan.

dami lang arte ng mga hudyo, palibhasa patriarchic ang society nila kaya pag nag-asawa e virgin dapat. culture yan hindi yan religion, bahagi ng kultura ng mga hudyo na naging bahagi ng relihiyon kalaunan. ang idea ng virginity e panigurado kung ang anak ay sa tatay at hindi sa iba. pa-macho epek ba. at ang best argument against dito e si Jesus Christ, na inangkin na tunay na anak ni Jose kahit alam nya na hindi sa kanya ang anak ni Maria.

[rion]

bro yebo, you are opening for a debate on Christianity view on virginity.

go fourth and multiply was a commandment by God to Adam and Eve. after that we have the ten commandments for us.

as much as a lot of christians have different own divided philosopical belief on virginity. making islam the biggest religion. it is still universal, that fornication is not allowed by Catholics and Protestants.

yes, may maraming arte sa hudyo, peru yung "no fornication policy" nakasulat yan.

yang hindi pagkain ng karne sa holy days at iba pa, having a special day and feast for a saint. yun ang hindi nakasulat peru niva-value natin.

masuwerte nga tayo mga Gentiles eh... kunti lang yung bawal keysa Jewish law.

Blood is significant in the Bible, Blood represents life, blood should not be eaten. and on the first *** act, may blood rin lalabas.

simple lang naman ang base nito eh. God is Holy, *** comes only after you vowed to God in the Church. kaya nga bawal yung Sodom idealism. that you can have *** with people you haven't marry, you can have *** with same ***, and you can have *** with animals.

the God of Love is also the God of fear. to think why Jesus chose the low life people as his disciples, fishermen, etc.... we bright people tend to make our own religion... like lucifer... ahh... the perks/curse of having God likeness...

[webmiester]

tawas lang katapat nyan.

nung wala pang religion sa mundo wala namang virgin e. the law of nature is the law of God. it is the nature of life to perpetuate itself, and survival of the species means to procreate. then when God revealed Himself to man one of the first commandments He gave was "go forth and multply". o di ba law of nature yan na naging law of God. so walang virgin-virgin nung panahon ng pre-history kasi law of nature ang sinusunod. procreation para dumami ang tao, hindi yang virgin-virgin na yan.

Does everyone use it to "go forth and multiply" or are they using it for "make out and have fun?" Nature and natural stuffs are often being used as an excuse, but do they really use it's intended "natural" purpose? Or do we use it as we like, then call it "natural?"

Now the question is, is it the nature of man to simply leave his babies and partners after multiplying or is it his nature to support them and build a family? Then looking back, we ask if our current use support this nature.

Lastly, there's the question whether we would like to be simply "natural" or would we like to be better than natural. Being just "natural" may mean that after we die, we simply decompost and disappear. To go beyond natural means that we will still exist even after we die, and that there is an afterlife.

On the definition of Nature and Natural:

Is culture and religion a natural phenomenon for man (the answer would probably be "no" if we were pigs or dogs)?

Again, our understanding on these things will be relatively different from each other. The value of such inherent things such as virginity though, does not change.

[webmiester]

nung wala pang religion sa mundo wala namang virgin e.

do you have any evidence or proof of this concept? From what ive read, even cavemen believed in some sort of God.

the law of nature is the law of God.

Yes, Nature reflects the love of God for us. Our interpretation of the "law of nature" may differ.

[judoman]

^

i agree.

basta po ako against ako sa premarital *** and i value virginity. sabi nga kasi hahanap-hanapin na ang *** basta ntry. so mas ok na hanapin m yun at mahanap m sa asawa mo lang. virginity for me is like a seal..or kumbaga e protective coating ng adhesive tapes na pag tinanggal m grabe yung dikit.. dikit ka talaga sa asawa mo bag dun ka nasalpak.. hehe.. pero this doesnt mean na ito lang yung kailangan in orger for the relationship/marriage to work a..inunahan ko na pilosopo tasyo..baka ito isagot e.

[Jhaelnis]

I'm saving my virginity for my one true love