Oil Did Not Circulate - Damaged Engine!?!

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Tapos demandahan na dahil sa tappet.

[_Cathy_]

^ha ha ha. Sabi ko wag nila bubuksan yung engine.

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[wezz_zzew]

Ano problema pag pumupugak pugak yung tunog tapos parang biglang nabibilaukan yung makita kaya kumakadyot. Ganito nangyari sa akin pero pag mabilis na, wala na yung kadyot. Tubig sa gas? Busted spark plugs? Or high tension wire?

[falken]

* Cathy, minor lang iyon kung tappet lang. If the casa will suggest top overhaul, get a second opinion. And don't blame the noise on not having the car engine flushed. Frequent flushing is not good for our engines.

[_Cathy_]

^I was really worried with the initial diagnosis of casa (may gasgas daw yung valve). I am very anxious to hear about the update tomorrow. I hope it is good! I missed a meeting (that I set) at work today because of this.

[funkeemunkee]

Ano problema pag pumupugak pugak yung tunog tapos parang biglang nabibilaukan yung makita kaya kumakadyot. Ganito nangyari sa akin pero pag mabilis na, wala na yung kadyot. Tubig sa gas? Busted spark plugs? Or high tension wire?

Nangyari na sa akin yan. Fouled sparkplugs. Lunod dahil tendency didiinan mo tapak sa gas.


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[xwangbu]

sori po - aling casa ito?
tinamad na ko magbackread.

[_Cathy_]

Read page 1 only It's not really a casa issue. I am still hoping that they would fix the problem and not give me a top overhaul diagnosis. So far, I am still happy with the service that they are providing. They seem to be doing the best they can naman.

[rac98]

Hindi kaya fuel quality issue/contamination? I had an experience before with our civic, fueled up in some gas station because I needed to. then this same tiktik noise happened. It disappeared after some time though, after i fueled up in my regular gas station. And this was after I travelled some distance.

[_Cathy_]

^Casa asked me nga if I fueled up before the PMS . The car was used the previous day and I always gas up at the same station.

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[innova2013]

Read page 1 only It's not really a casa issue. I am still hoping that they would fix the problem and not give me a top overhaul diagnosis. So far, I am still happy with the service that they are providing. They seem to be doing the best they can naman.

sana po hindi kayo lokohin ng Casa if ever man tama ang pag diagnose nila. kargo nila yun kasi kaka PM lang. Napag hahalataan tuloy na hindi talaga sila nag che-check during PMS.

bad experience ko sa Casa, hindi pinalitan oil filter nung 5K PMS. using fully synth that time kaya dapat replace oil filter at top up pero ayun. same din ginawa nila sakin, pinuntahan sa bahay at yung service manager mismo ang nagpalit ng oil filter.

sana maresolve na yun issue. pero malabo top overhaul basing from your mileage. lalo na properly maintained ito.

[_Cathy_]

sana po hindi kayo lokohin ng Casa if ever man tama ang pag diagnose nila. kargo nila yun kasi kaka PM lang. Napag hahalataan tuloy na hindi talaga sila nag che-check during PMS.

bad experience ko sa Casa, hindi pinalitan oil filter nung 5K PMS. using fully synth that time kaya dapat replace oil filter at top up pero ayun. same din ginawa nila sakin, pinuntahan sa bahay at yung service manager mismo ang nagpalit ng oil filter.

sana maresolve na yun issue. pero malabo top overhaul basing from your mileage. lalo na properly maintained ito.

I really told them that the car was in perfect condition before I brought it for PMS. Pag balik, maingay na engine.

Umingay din ba engine niyo? Saan casa yan sir? Baka pareho tayo.

[rac98]

^Casa asked me nga if I fueled up before the PMS . The car was used the previous day and I always gas up at the same station.

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Hmmmm, so fuel quality is out of the question...

[innova2013]

I really told them that the car was in perfect condition before I brought it for PMS. Pag balik, maingay na engine.

Umingay din ba engine niyo? Saan casa yan sir? Baka pareho tayo.

^^ hindi naman siya umingay. hindi kasi ako kampante kapag hindi ko nakikita yung ginagawa during PM, lalo na na medyo mahilig din akong magbutingting sa makina. ginasgasan ko yung filter mismo at kinunan ng picture, to my surprise when i got home, same location ng gasgas at hindi man lang nabago yung position. ang mali ko, sana, dun mismo sa Casa ko tinignan at nag reklamo.

Toyota Otis, sayang VIP card na inavail ko, ayaw ko na bumalik dun for PM, pero matino mga SA dun kung purchase ng bnew cars, sa service, olats. sa suking gas station na lang ako nagpapa PM.

shim over bucket ang valvetrain ng engine niyo kaya self adjusting, matagal na panahon bago magbago ang clearance ng shims, mapapabilis lang ang wear sa shims kung maling oil ang ginagamit o kung hindi man lang nagpapalit ng oil mismo.

kung valve related, bend man o may gasgas, medyo malabo kasi low mileage, mangyayari lang ito kung hindi sila nag chachange oil o kung hindi nagpapalit ng oil filter, kasi yung dumi, not properly working na yung lumang oil filter kaya recirculate ulit sa engine causing unwanted wear sa mga critical areas or na over rev yung makina, engine brake na wala sa specified speed per gear. possibility lang naman po, pero better to wait for their diagnosis then second opinion sa kilala niyong mechanic knowing na wala na pala sa warranty yung unit.

kung initial diagnosis is valvetrain related, sana naka flat bed na nung dinala sa Casa, hindi na binyahe. lalala po kasi yung engine problem if ever na yun nga.

yung takatak sound, makukuha lang yun sa maling fuel octane rating (hindi match sa design nung engine), low oil pressure (oil starvation o baradong oil pump caused by faulty or inefficient oil filter) or no oil at all, or engine knock (damaged connecting rod/main bearings).

kung valvetrain related, parang typewriter yung sound "tik tik"

[vinj]

My gen 9.5 2007 Altis just hit 100,000kms today and it never had any such issues at start-up. Sometimes the starter sticks though and causes a grinding sound in the process. The tappers of the zz engine are also self adjusting. My 20 year old Sentra with 123,000kms on the odo, using the original timing chain and again, with self adjusting tappets gets some start up clatter at times, particularly after a long rest and the auto choke jumps up too high upon start up.

For cars with self adjusting tappets that go off spec, it's the shims that need replacement but i doubt that's the problem because off-spec valve clearances will knock consistently even when the oil has circulated.

There is basis to Shadow's comment on the car being low mileage and rarely used. If i got it right, C4U's Altis is usually driven around the city and does mostly short distances which is also a big wear and tear item. That may also cause some sludge and carbon build-up. If that was my problem now, i'd have the engine flushed, put in Caltex Delo Gold and then I'd then go out and do a really good and hard, high-rpm run on the highway. I will then flush again and put in a good oil of my choice with a nice oil filter. If the problem persists, it may be good to open the valve cover and do a visual inspection for sludge; you may have to replace the cylinder cover gasket but it shouldnt cost much.

Or go with the suggestion of Uls and go to Gearspeed for a racing engine. With luck your car will be back on the road at the end of the Binay Presidency.

[_Cathy_]

^^ hindi naman siya umingay. hindi kasi ako kampante kapag hindi ko nakikita yung ginagawa during PM, lalo na na medyo mahilig din akong magbutingting sa makina. ginasgasan ko yung filter mismo at kinunan ng picture, to my surprise when i got home, same location ng gasgas at hindi man lang nabago yung position. ang mali ko, sana, dun mismo sa Casa ko tinignan at nag reklamo.

Toyota Otis, sayang VIP card na inavail ko, ayaw ko na bumalik dun for PM, pero matino mga SA dun kung purchase ng bnew cars, sa service, olats. sa suking gas station na lang ako nagpapa PM.

shim over bucket ang valvetrain ng engine niyo kaya self adjusting, matagal na panahon bago magbago ang clearance ng shims, mapapabilis lang ang wear sa shims kung maling oil ang ginagamit o kung hindi man lang nagpapalit ng oil mismo.

kung valve related, bend man o may gasgas, medyo malabo kasi low mileage, mangyayari lang ito kung hindi sila nag chachange oil o kung hindi nagpapalit ng oil filter, kasi yung dumi, not properly working na yung lumang oil filter kaya recirculate ulit sa engine causing unwanted wear sa mga critical areas or na over rev yung makina, engine brake na wala sa specified speed per gear. possibility lang naman po, pero better to wait for their diagnosis then second opinion sa kilala niyong mechanic knowing na wala na pala sa warranty yung unit.

kung initial diagnosis is valvetrain related, sana naka flat bed na nung dinala sa Casa, hindi na binyahe. lalala po kasi yung engine problem if ever na yun nga.

yung takatak sound, makukuha lang yun sa maling fuel octane rating (hindi match sa design nung engine), low oil pressure (oil starvation o baradong oil pump caused by faulty or inefficient oil filter) or no oil at all, or engine knock (damaged connecting rod/main bearings).

kung valvetrain related, parang typewriter yung sound "tik tik"

That is what they explained na possibility. Nag wear kasi hindi na tama yung clearance. So kung guilty sila pinupuntahan sa bahay?

Hindi ko ma distinguish yung tik tik or tak tak, pareho lang sakin yun, basta parang typewriter Ever since I purchased the car, iniiwan ko lang kasi yung auto sa casa overnight for PMS. I checked the oil before they got the car and it was yellow in color so I assume bago. Yung old oil filter at spark plug hindi na sakin sinosoli, pero now that you mentioned it, dati ginagawa nila yan.

So somewhere case effed up my car kaya nagka ganyan?!?!

[_Cathy_]

My gen 9.5 2007 Altis just hit 100,000kms today and it never had any such issues at start-up. Sometimes the starter sticks though and causes a grinding sound in the process. The tappers of the zz engine are also self adjusting. My 20 year old Sentra with 123,000kms on the odo, using the original timing chain and again, with self adjusting tappets gets some start up clatter at times, particularly after a long rest and the auto choke jumps up too high upon start up.

For cars with self adjusting tappets that go off spec, it's the shims that need replacement but i doubt that's the problem because off-spec valve clearances will knock consistently even when the oil has circulated.

There is basis to Shadow's comment on the car being low mileage and rarely used. If i got it right, C4U's Altis is usually driven around the city and does mostly short distances which is also a big wear and tear item. That may also cause some sludge and carbon build-up. If that was my problem now, i'd have the engine flushed, put in Caltex Delo Gold and then I'd then go out and do a really good and hard, high-rpm run on the highway. I will then flush again and put in a good oil of my choice with a nice oil filter. If the problem persists, it may be good to open the valve cover and do a visual inspection for sludge; you may have to replace the cylinder cover gasket but it shouldnt cost much.

Or go with the suggestion of Uls and go to Gearspeed for a racing engine. With luck your car will be back on the road at the end of the Binay Presidency.

Geez, driving short distances around the city, not only gives me bad fuel mileage, it can cause more wear and tear pala? I do a lot of driving that are less than a kilometer.

Casa also made a comment on possible sludge :rant: I thought I will not have sludge as long as I am religious with the 5k PMS Lahat ng possibility nila kinakabahan ako e So do you think they will not charge me anything out of last touch or goodwill?

Around how much is that cylinder cover gasket? BTW for the Gen 10, what liqui moly oil should I buy pala and recommend a good oil filter na rin? Casa receipt indicated 5W40 oil. I am not going to casa anymore for my 40k PMS!!!

[12vdc]

Cat, kelangan mo na yata mag aral ng automotive mech para ikawna mismo PMS.

Just wait for the diag results and reco by casa, then kung hindi nila i-cover ang cost out of goodwill since religious ka naman sakanila ng PMS and abnormal wear ang ngnyari, then pa second opinion ka sa labas.

But what to expect from casa if ever valvetrain problem nga? casa would just consider it as wear part since past 3yrs na. Altho low mileage, your car engine still spins everytime you start it or when get caught on traffic/short distances. Kaya sa machineries sinusukat ang life expectancy sa run-time and for cars it is 100k kms or 3yrs whichever comes first. Mukhang na-setup ka ng mga kawatan sa casa or apprentice trumabaho? goodluck.

[vinj]

Geez, driving short distances around the city, not only gives me bad fuel mileage, it can cause more wear and tear pala? I do a lot of driving that are less than a kilometer.

Casa also made a comment on possible sludge :rant: I thought I will not have sludge as long as I am religious with the 5k PMS Lahat ng possibility nila kinakabahan ako e So do you think they will not charge me anything out of last touch or goodwill?

Around how much is that cylinder cover gasket? BTW for the Gen 10, what liqui moly oil should I buy pala and recommend a good oil filter na rin? Casa receipt indicated 5W40 oil. I am not going to casa anymore for my 40k PMS!!!

Not sure on the price of the valve cover gasket but a quick call to your CASA or to Toyorama in Banawe will do.

Short city drives give more wear and tear as your engine starts and stops more, and you don't get to hit the optimal operating temperature. This is also where you can have more carbon and deposit build-up as the engine rarely stretches it's legs on the high rpm range for a long time. It's just like our bodies when we don't get proper exercise.

Having a low visco synthetic oil is good for you (i.e. the 5W-40 CASA oil) as this offers better protection during cold starts. I'd suggest before you go decide to go Liqui Moly or Royal Purple, go first to the shop and have the cylinder head opened and visual inspection done for sludge. For me that's a likely problem. It might not be major sludge problems but it may be present and the engine just needs a good flush or clean up, and a nice and long highway drive before you switch to designer oils.

If you want a good oil filter, drop CB a line. Maybe he can help get you some Baldwin BT223 filters. There are some sellers on sulit/olx as well.

[jaypee10]

nangyari sa akin yan mga 1month akong natakot at nag ipon ng pang pa opera ng engine ko..

tok tok tok talaga sa unang start..after mga 1 hour medyo humina ng kaunti..madami akong natanungan bibiyakin daw makina.

2nd 3rd 4th..pang lima may nag sabi baguhin ko daw ung langis ko from syntetic ..sinubukan ko castrol.
sabay inadjust niya ung valve tappet..pag start ko may knocking sound parin pero medyo mahina.
sabi niya hatawin ko daw ng hatawin .para daw lumapat at kung may mga bara na ay matanggal.

after 1 week .nagulat ako pag start ko sa umaga wala ng toktoktok.sound at naging normal na andar niya..


eto ung tread ko dati

http://tsikot.com/forums/engine-fuel...8/#post2125815