Oil Did Not Circulate - Damaged Engine!?!

[TimPam]

Since it is out of warranty, i guess its better sa labas nalang ipagawa. For sure it will cost you an arm and a leg if jan sa casa but of course its for you to decide.. IMHO

[_Cathy_]

^^^ yah, wala naman umaangkin ng thread mo, and everybody can post their opinion. all of the suggestion are being laid na on the table by other forumers.

i am not making fun of others persons misery. as i have said, i got a feeling na mas mahaba ito sa battery and aircon thread mo (di ko inaangkin ha, iyong iyo iyun). dahil mas complikado ang engine compared sa battery and aircon.


oh by the way, as an additional info, baka naman bearing ng aircon or alternator ang problem? kasi kung makina - mawawasak yan due to complexity of the linkage. unlike bearing with some alien particle on it na pwedeng madurog due to continues rotation.

to add up, wala naman pumipilit sayo na basahin reply ko eh.

Your first post to this thread was just mockery. You did not really make any contribution, did you?

You were making fun of my misery. I have been very patient with you but this time you have gone too far. And don't give me your pangaasar na hilaw. And I really don't look forward to your replies. Unfortunately, this thread is my concern and I will get to read it.

[hachooro]

So I should have gotten an FD Bakit naman kasi out of warranty pa may lumabas na problema. And it had to do with the engine pa

the more you should use your new altis, if ever may lumabas na problem under warranty pa.

[brainmafia_310]

popcorn please.

patient with me? so are you saying you are chasing all of my replies to this forum?

now is that a threat above? what are you going to do? ban me? hahahaha.

fun of your miseries? common, your kidding right? you are not the center of the universe.

BTT: i bet its either bearing or something stock up in the condenser fan and/or radiator fan.

[_Cathy_]

Since it is out of warranty, i guess its better sa labas nalang ipagawa. For sure it will cost you an arm and a leg if jan sa casa but of course its for you to decide.. IMHO

But are they not responsible for what happened to the engine? Umingay lang naman right after ng PMS. I will ask them to fix it without any cost to me.

[_Cathy_]

popcorn please.

patient with me? so are you saying you are chasing all of my replies to this forum?

now is that a threat above? what are you going to do? ban me? hahahaha.

fun of your miseries? common, your kidding right? you are not the center of the universe.

BTT: i bet its either bearing or something stock up in the condenser fan and/or radiator fan.

Don't flatter yourself. I know for a fact that all your posts towards me are full of hatred.

You have been doing nothing but trolling this thread. And don't throw technicalities on me, responding on topic posts, because the meat of your posts are your mockeries.

[Ry_Tower]

Ako need ko din popcorn.

Relaks lang cathy, la naman masama sa first post ni brain_mafia imho. Just stating an observation.

BTT: Kung tappet lang yan (or maybe valve clearance din), no need for top overhaul yan. Pineperahan ka lang nang casa sa pinagssabi nila. Have it checked at other shop, out of warranty na eh. Kuha ka 2nd opinion pero dapat talag puwede mo singilin ang casa kasi wala naman problema nung pinasok mo eh, insist mo na may kapalpakan sila.

[_Cathy_]

the more you should use your new altis, if ever may lumabas na problem under warranty pa.

Yes this is what I should do. It's very unfortunate that the engine problem happened after warranty.

[yebo]

hydraulic valve lash adjusters need oil to work. kung di nag-circulate ang oil madre-drain nga yung oil dun sa loob ng adjusters and magkakaron ng tappet sounds (takatak or tik-tik, depends on how severe). engine oil acts as the hydraulic fluid inside the lash adjusters (it is like a piston inside a cylinder with a spring inside) and it is this amount of oil inside that "adjusts" the valve clearance. pag walang oil ang mangyari lang dun e lalaki yung valve clearance kasi nga depleted yung oil sa loob ng hydraulic lash adjusters. now as you said after the oil began circulating again the tappet sounds disappeared. that is normal since again oil went inside the lash adjusters and they started working again. however as you said the casa people said "tope", there is a possibility that since the adjusters ran without oil that they will need replacement, baka may leak na or pwede din mag-seize and hindi na maga-adjust. sabi din nila baka sira ang valves? mangyayari yan pag sobrang laki ng clearance nung hindi nag-adjust yung haydraulic lash adjusters at na-hammer na yung valve stem. the damage will be on the valve stem, not on the valves or pistons (na typically nangyayari pag naputulan ka ng timing belt). anyway if this is the case (damaged valve stems) wala ka kawala sa top overhaul (pwede palit lang ng valves and lash adjusters, and of course head gasket. di naman nag-overheat ang engine mo so di need ang machining.

i am more concerned with the oil not circulating. was it just not enough wherein the lash adjusters ran out of oil, or was it worse and the bearings did not get enough oil? if the case is the later than you are in for a major overhaul, maybe even major parts replacement. i suggest have the casa check your engine thoroughly and if worse comes to worst then sell you car na lang. sorry ganun talaga e. sana naman hindi.

[_Cathy_]

You are so predictable. I know you have been mocking me so I would lose my patience and throw the "abusive moderator" excuse.

You are the first person I banned and I have approval from other moderators. Your ban has been extended to 1 month and that was a group decision

[yebo]

anyare? ban si brain_mafia? yaaan! kasi!

temporary ban lang ha, pag lamig na ulo lifted na ulit. kahit kontra pelo ko yan ayaw ko ng may naba-ban.

[Walter]

Brainmafia's post seemed normal. There's nothing malicious about it.

[Ry_Tower]

Si katingkati banned din? Anyare? Or si brain_mafia din yan?

[_Cathy_]

Ako need ko din popcorn.

Relaks lang cathy, la naman masama sa first post ni brain_mafia imho. Just stating an observation.

BTT: Kung tappet lang yan (or maybe valve clearance din), no need for top overhaul yan. Pineperahan ka lang nang casa sa pinagssabi nila. Have it checked at other shop, out of warranty na eh. Kuha ka 2nd opinion pero dapat talag puwede mo singilin ang casa kasi wala naman problema nung pinasok mo eh, insist mo na may kapalpakan sila.

Yes. I will insist that they fix the problem for free. It was in perfect condition before it was brought there for PMS.

hydraulic valve lash adjusters need oil to work. kung di nag-circulate ang oil madre-drain nga yung oil dun sa loob ng adjusters and magkakaron ng tappet sounds (takatak or tik-tik, depends on how severe). engine oil acts as the hydraulic fluid inside the lash adjusters (it is like a piston inside a cylinder with a spring inside) and it is this amount of oil inside that "adjusts" the valve clearance. pag walang oil ang mangyari lang dun e lalaki yung valve clearance kasi nga depleted yung oil sa loob ng hydraulic lash adjusters. now as you said after the oil began circulating again the tappet sounds disappeared. that is normal since again oil went inside the lash adjusters and they started working again. however as you said the casa people said "tope", there is a possibility that since the adjusters ran without oil that they will need replacement, baka may leak na or pwede din mag-seize and hindi na maga-adjust. sabi din nila baka sira ang valves? mangyayari yan pag sobrang laki ng clearance nung hindi nag-adjust yung haydraulic lash adjusters at na-hammer na yung valve stem. the damage will be on the valve stem, not on the valves or pistons (na typically nangyayari pag naputulan ka ng timing belt). anyway if this is the case (damaged valve stems) wala ka kawala sa top overhaul (pwede palit lang ng valves and lash adjusters, and of course head gasket. di naman nag-overheat ang engine mo so di need ang machining.

i am more concerned with the oil not circulating. was it just not enough wherein the lash adjusters ran out of oil, or was it worse and the bearings did not get enough oil? if the case is the later than you are in for a major overhaul, maybe even major parts replacement. i suggest have the casa check your engine thoroughly and if worse comes to worst then sell you car na lang. sorry ganun talaga e. sana naman hindi.

Oh wow. How did these valve problems happen? Baka nga daw nagasgasan, Factory defect? I do the PMS religiously so I have no idea how this problem started. How much is a top overhaul anyway? Is it that bad na I am better off selling my car?

[TimPam]

Si katingkati banned din? Anyare? Or si brain_mafia din yan?

Same lang ata paps... katingkati (lol) = brain_mafia

[Ry_Tower]

Brainmafia's post seemed normal. There's nothing malicious about it.

dapat siguro walang hahaha.

BTT: Yung Rav4 nang cousin ko maingay din nga tappet at valve kasi may clearance na, pero katagalan kapag uminit makina nawawala din. Okay naman na ganun, la problem if you can live with it. Medyo mas matakaw sa oil nga lang vs a normal car but ain't worth having a top overhaul imho.

[Lew_Alcindor]

Nagkaron ka ng bigbody before diba cathy,
same with me, my previous ride is 4afe powered corolla GLi,
self adjusting yung valves din nun, ang lakas ng tappet noise in cold starts
and eventually will tone down hanggang maliliit na tick sound nalang matitira.

baka nga hindi na nagself adjust kaya umingay padin.
hopefully walang malaking gastusin.

The self adjusting thing was the biggest BS I have heard about 4afe. I downloaded a service manual about 4af/4afe and nowhere it says that tappet clearance is self adjusting.

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Sa totoo lang, naging pino yung takbo. There's no tappet noise... End of story.

Palyado? BS. Top overhaul? BS. Dapat tow truck kung talaga ng may sira. Even half a$$ mechanic knows na kung makina may sira, wag na itakbo para hindi lumala.

[_Cathy_]

Brainmafia's post seemed normal. There's nothing malicious about it.

It was not his first post in this thread that got him banned. Duplicate account extended his ban. It was a group decision.

dapat siguro walang hahaha.

BTT: Yung Rav4 nang cousin ko maingay din nga tappet at valve kasi may clearance na, pero katagalan kapag uminit makina nawawala din. Okay naman na ganun, la problem if you can live with it. Medyo mas matakaw sa oil nga lang vs a normal car but ain't worth having a top overhaul imho.

Pero bakit pauwi ng casa nung malapit na sa bahay tumunog? Supposedly uminit na yun sa biyahe. Pero kaninang umaga pag start ang lakas na naman ng ingay. What causes this problem?

The self adjusting thing was the biggest BS I have heard about 4afe. I downloaded a service manual about 4af/4afe and nowhere it says that tappet clearance is self adjusting.

So the engine of my 10th gen is not self adjusting?

[_Cathy_]

Sa totoo lang, naging pino yung takbo. There's no tappet noise... End of story.

Palyado? BS. Top overhaul? BS. Dapat tow truck kung talaga ng may sira. Even half a$$ mechanic knows na kung makina may sira, wag na itakbo para hindi lumala.

Meron faint sound na lang. OA naman kasi yung top overhaul on a 4 yr old religiously maintained car. Unless the engine of my car is defective. Takot nga ko sa sludge kasi I knew about that before buying my car.