Idling is bad for your engine..

[tidus1203]

Buti na lang at merong ganitong thread. Dun kasi sa Toyota Vios namin kailangan ko pang hintayin mawala ang "cool-engine" indicator saka ko patatakbuhin. Bad Cheetah!

No you don't. I have a Yaris which is similar and I drive it immediately... And as I drive the cool indicator will go out much faster... Driving will heat your engine much faster than idling and saves fuel too...

[kurby]

Quote from the Canadian Environment Ministry:

•An idling engine releases twice as many exhaust fumes than a vehicle in motion.
•If every driver in Canada avoided idling for 5 minutes a day, we could prevent 1.6 million tonnes of carbon dioxide from being emitted.
•No more than 30 seconds of idling is needed for oil to circulate through your engine. Many components, such as the wheel bearings, tires and suspension system will only warm up once the vehicle is moving.
•Restarting your car many times has little impact on engine components, adding only around $10 per year to the cost of driving, money that is recovered in fuel savings.
•Ten seconds of idling uses more fuel than restarting the engine.
•Idling can damage your engine since it is not operating at its peak temperature where fuel is completely burned. Fuel residue from incomplete burning can damage engine parts.
•Idling a vehicle for 10 minutes a day uses an average of 100 litres of gas a year. If gas costs 70 cents a litre, you will save $70 per year, just by turning your key.
•During the winter, Canadians idle their vehicles for a combined total of 75 million minutes/day. This is equal to a vehicle idling for 144 years. Although we idle our vehicles about 40% less in summer, we still waste an enormous amount of fuel and money.
•A block heater warms the oil and engine coolant, making it easier to start your vehicle and improving winter fuel economy by as much as 10%.

source: http://ask.metafilter.com/30641/Shou...before-I-drive

Very informative...

[BLUESHIFT]

No you don't. I have a Yaris which is similar and I drive it immediately... And as I drive the cool indicator will go out much faster... Driving will heat your engine much faster than idling and saves fuel too...

yup got that. thanks

[kurby]

One of my new years resolution will be, making my engine idle less! Sayang ang miles!

Happy new year everybody! :D

[OldSchoolHack]

bago ako umalis ng bahay, hinihintay ko muna gumalaw ng onte yung thermostat ko bago umalis.. pag malamig kasi yung makina ang panget ng takbo ng diesel engine..

Diesel na luma kaya medyo gumaganda nga pag idle. Kung gasoline yan hindi na need mag idle. Pero sa aking diesel truck pwede na 1-2 minutes kahit sluggish ang takbo after running 5 minutes and 2 minutes idling ok na. Sa gasoline naming kotse start and go agad.

[iceman_uel]

harmful pala sa engine kaya i'll stop warming up my engine in the morning. tumataas din pala fuel consumption.

[Gumusut_Amige]

[SIZE=3][SIZE=2]another read discrediting idling...http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/auto...car-in-winter/[/SIZE][/SIZE]

[SIZE=3][SIZE=2]Eight Facts About Warming Up Your Car in Winter[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Old habits die hard, and one of the oldest — still rigorously enforced by many drivers — is that "warming up" the car for a few minutes is necessary to avoid some kind of unspecified damage. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]But idling is totally unnecessary, which is why many communities have enacted ordinances against the practice. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Don't take my word about idling being ineffective, but do listen to my mechanic, Rob Maier, who runs Maier's Garage in Bridgeport, Connecticut. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]He says, "You don't really need to idle your car, because of the efficiency of modern fuel injection, which eliminated carburetors and chokes. The only reason to let the car idle at all is to get the oil circulating, but after 30 seconds that's a done deal. My truck has 150,000 miles on it, and I just throw it into gear and go."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Here are some quick facts and tips that should put the idling question to rest: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]1. Driving warms the car faster than idling[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]If your concern is not the health of the car, but simply your own creature comforts, Bob Aldrich of the [/SIZE][SIZE=2]California Energy Commission[/SIZE][SIZE=2] points out that "idling is not actually an effective way to warm up a car — it warms up faster if you just drive it." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The coming electric cars, such as the Nissan Leaf, will incorporate a wonderful feature that allows the owner to use a cellphone to tell the car (which is plugged into the grid) to pre-warm or pre-cool the interior. No idling necessary. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]2. Ten seconds is all you need[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Environmental Defense Fund, which produced the [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Idling Gets You Nowhere[/SIZE][SIZE=2] campaign, advises motorists to turn off their ignition if they're sitting stopped for more than 10 seconds. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"After about 10 seconds, you waste more money running the engine than restarting it, said Andy Darrell, deputy director of the EDF Energy Program. "Switch the car off at the curb, and you'll be leaving money in your wallet and protecting the air in your community." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]3. Idling hurts the car[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]According to the Hinkle Charitable Foundation's [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Anti-Idling Primer[/SIZE][SIZE=2], idling forces an engine "to operate in a very inefficient and gasoline-rich mode that, over time, can degrade the engine's performance and reduce mileage."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Campaign for an Idle-Free New York City [/SIZE][SIZE=2]points out that idling causes carbon residues to build up inside the engine, which reduces its efficiency. [ Related: Five secrets to make your car last longer and save you money. ] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]4. Idling costs money[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Over a year of five minutes of daily idling (which causes incomplete combustion of fuel), the "Anti-Idling Primer" estimates that the operator of a V8-engine car will waste 20 gallons of gasoline, which not only produces 440 pounds of carbon dioxide but costs at least $60. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]5. Idling in the garage can kill you[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Idling a car in a garage, even with the door open, is dangerous and exposes the driver to carbon monoxide and other noxious gases. If the garage is attached, those fumes can also enter the house.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][ Related: [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Six surprising sources of indoor air pollution[/SIZE][SIZE=2]. ] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]6. Block heaters beat remote starters[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Lori Strothard of the [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Waterloo Citizens Vehicle Idling Reduction Task Force[/SIZE][SIZE=2] in Canada says, "Remote starters can too easily cause people to warm up their cars for 5 to 15 minutes, which is generally unnecessary." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]A block heater, which is designed to heat the engine and can cost under $30, on a timer set to start one to two hours before driving, does the trick in very cold climates. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]7. Quick errands aren't quick enough[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Natural Resources Canada points out that leaving your car idling while you're running into a store on an errand or going back into the house to pick up a forgotten item is another way to waste gas and pollute both your town and the planet. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]"Leaving your engine running is hard on your pocketbook, produces greenhouse gas emissions, and is an invitation to car thieves," the [/SIZE][SIZE=2]agency [/SIZE][SIZE=2](PDF) says. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]8. Idling is bad for your health (and your neighbor's health)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]According to Minneapolis' anti-idling ordinance, "[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Exhaust is hazardous to human health[/SIZE][SIZE=2], especially children's; studies have linked air pollution to increased rates of cancer, heart and lung disease, asthma and allergies." [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Isabelle Silverman, who runs EDF's anti-idling campaign, says that car idling "is the second-hand smoking of the outdoors. One of the problems is that cars idle close to the curb, where pedestrians are walking. And when you have a child in a stroller, they are particularly close to the tailpipe. Studies show that children's IQ levels are lower when they live near major roads with lots of traffic." (A fresh study even links [/SIZE][SIZE=2]autism to freeway pollution[/SIZE][SIZE=2].)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alex Scaperotta, who created an anti-idling campaign with a classmate when he was in fifth grade in Wilton, Connecticut, came up with a slogan that was used on bumper stickers and websites: "If you're stopped for more than 10, turn it off and on again." Sounds like good advice.[/SIZE][/SIZE]

[speed unlimited]

Question lang paano doon sa mgas kotse na Monthly lang kung gamitin . Paano mo maintain na hindi madikarga battery.

[harold13]

masama pala idling sa umaga. inaantay ko pa naman mawala yung vold na indicator.

[mazingerZ]

Question lang paano doon sa mgas kotse na Monthly lang kung gamitin . Paano mo maintain na hindi madikarga battery.

Kung matagal na di gagamitin ang kotse (say a month or longer) better to have the battery terminals detached para walang parasitic loss ng battery. Kung di naman pupuwede have drive (drive ha, not turn it on lang) the car mildly at least 15 minutes (to recharge the battery and have the various fluids circulate - engine, coolant, brake, transmission, power steering, etc).

[kurby]

Kung matagal na di gagamitin ang kotse (say a month or longer) better to have the battery terminals detached para walang parasitic loss ng battery. Kung di naman pupuwede have drive (drive ha, not turn it on lang) the car mildly at least 15 minutes (to recharge the battery and have the various fluids circulate - engine, coolant, brake, transmission, power steering, etc).

TOMO!!!

Dapat nagagamit din ang kotse/sasakyan para hindi masira. Kahit once or twice a week. Dahil papalitan at papalitan mo din ang fluids nyan kahit hindi gamitin. Remember sa mga warranty cards? First 5,000km or 6months whichever comes first.

[knight21]

applicable din ba ito sa mga automatic cars? medyo malakas kasi ang jerk nung sasakyan if hindi pa normal yung idling ng sasakyan tapos isi-shift from P to D. medyo ramdam yung jerk pag dumaan sa R.

[kurby]

applicable din ba ito sa mga automatic cars? medyo malakas kasi ang jerk nung sasakyan if hindi pa normal yung idling ng sasakyan tapos isi-shift from P to D. medyo ramdam yung jerk pag dumaan sa R.

Opo, applicable din opo sa mga matic na sasakyan ito. Kaya lang nag-jerk ang sasakyan kasi naka fast idle pa ang makina.

Just a tip, before shifting to "R" or "D" or any drive gears fully depress the brake pedal to prevent your vehicle from unnecessary movement.

[PSI]

Opo, applicable din opo sa mga matic na sasakyan ito. Kaya lang nag-jerk ang sasakyan kasi naka fast idle pa ang makina.

Just a tip, before shifting to "R" or "D" or any drive gears fully depress the brake pedal to prevent your vehicle from unnecessary movement.

+100 baka tumakbo hehehe

[ericbalajadia]

As a side, I still think running the engine at idle in the morning before driving, say for 5 or so minutes will not make much difference anyway because of the time spent by the engine idling while caught in traffic. All the scenarios are for an ideal setting but once the car rolls out on the streets, all bets are off.
Kasi after reading all those idling misconceptions and truths, baka naman isipin na okay pala yung "get inside, start and drive" na agad only to mull later while stopped askew on the road which one would be cheaper to call, a mechanic or a tow truck.
I'd say start the car for a few minutes before going off just to "hear and feel" the engine for any abnormalities, observe any warning indicator suddenly illuminating rather than being caught offguard by a broken alternator or steering belt or leaking coolant in the middle of a morning traffic.

[Para Ordenance]

Nagcheck ako kanina ng spark plugs ko. Mag 9months old na at 3k kms na ang natakbo ng kotse with the plugs, halos puro idle lang kasi yun eh. Minsan nga more than 1hr idle at stucked pa lagi sa traffic. Maganda pa yung plugs at maputi pa...

Is it really bad for the engine at nakakadamage? I doubt. Wala pa kasi problems ang engine ko. 14yrs old, almost 115k kms on the odo.

[Para Ordenance]

Nagcheck ako kanina ng spark plugs ko. Mag 9months old na at 3k kms na ang natakbo ng kotse with the plugs, halos puro idle lang kasi yun eh. Minsan nga more than 1hr idle at stucked pa lagi sa traffic. Maganda pa yung plugs at maputi pa...

Is it really bad for the engine at nakakadamage? I doubt. Wala pa kasi problems ang engine ko. 14yrs old, almost 115k kms on the odo.

[j.caine]

wow di ko toh alam but i guess my car doesnt go idling...

what i do is get in the car - check my things, put on my seatbelt, start the engine, step on the brake, release hand brake, then shift from P to R or D, then slowly move away. toinkz!

[batusai_jr]

whoa is this true? napaisip ako bigla

[OldSchoolHack]

If you have older diesel cars, a minute or two idling would make it run better from cold starts (example - sa umaga). More than two minutes means you have other problems.

Same with gas. With some older cars the driver believes it will run better when warmed up. Usually this is true because your oil and oil pump are so low in the sump that it takes a little warming up to get it up to the piston area. A cheaper way is to make sure your oil is closer to HOT spot from a cold engine (unless specified in the manual na dapat turn on mo engine before reading the dipstick) thus it reaches the pistons faster.