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    #2241
    Locked or unlocked when the keys are out of the keyhole, the BCM shuts-down idle electrical loads for a pre-determined time. Try to leave the vehicle with door open in the garage and for about 15mins the door-ajar light will turn off and sliding the cabin switch does nothing unless you press the door switch twice or unarm using keyfob.The older cars without BCM(equipped only with remote control opener or alarm) does not communicate with the other electrical switches of the load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    Battery maintainer ba?

    Choose your poison from Laz or Shopee. Just look for one that explicitly has the float-charge mode.

    I use this to maintain the small 12V battery on my backup generator: LST Automatic 12V 750mA Trickle Battery Charger Smart Float Charger Maintainer for Car Motorcycle Lawn Mower Tractor

    I use this on my Innova 2.5L Diesel: LST 12V 1.1A Car Battery Trickle Charger Maintainer 4-Stage Smart Float Charger For Car Motorcycle Lawn Acid Batteries
    I am about to buy pa but yung requirement daw nito is dapat lead acid yung battery.
    Eto yung naka install sa unit ko, lead acid battery ba to?
    Kulang kasi info sa site ng panasonic.

    N-638 (1Ah) - Maintenance Free Car Battery (DIN)

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    #2243
    Quote Originally Posted by carxynogen View Post
    I am about to buy pa but yung requirement daw nito is dapat lead acid yung battery.
    Eto yung naka install sa unit ko, lead acid battery ba to?
    Kulang kasi info sa site ng panasonic.

    N-6��38 (1��Ah) - Maintenance Free Car Battery (DIN)
    yes, i believe it is a lead-acid battery.

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    #2244
    Recently had my car oil changed. When the Shell mechanic checked the battery, lumabas "replace". Up to now naman 1 click pa rin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H1Tman View Post
    Recently had my car oil changed. When the Shell mechanic checked the battery, lumabas "replace". Up to now naman 1 click pa rin.
    Best to have it checked sa battery store. Free diagnostics naman. Baka high resistance na siya. One day, biglang deads na lang yan.

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    #2246
    Quote Originally Posted by paolorenzo View Post
    ... One day, biglang deads na lang yan.
    Signature farewell ng Motolite Gold.

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    #2247
    Quote Originally Posted by paolorenzo View Post
    Best to have it checked sa battery store. Free diagnostics naman. Baka high resistance na siya. One day, biglang deads na lang yan.

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    23% SOH Replace lumabas sa tester Amaron shop.

    But the shop here in Sta. Rosa said 6 months lang warranty kapag company vehicle? So I said no way.

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    #2248
    Dirty Tactics: Is there a smear campaign against the green car battery brand?

    Trolls abound. Always do due diligence when evaluating products you plan to buy. Don't be easily swayed by anecdotal posts and claims without evidence.

    My "Green" battery lasted 5 years on my daily-driven Innova 2KD.... and I can prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    Dirty Tactics: Is there a smear campaign against the green car battery brand?

    Trolls abound. Always do due diligence when evaluating products you plan to buy. Don't be easily swayed by anecdotal posts and claims without evidence.

    My "Green" battery lasted 5 years on my daily-driven Innova 2KD.... and I can prove it.
    both sides of the gaussian curve are, in my view, the noisy ones.
    they are the ones who complain about their batteries' short lifespans, and the ones who wax poetic about their batteries' very long life spans.
    they are the out-liers. the minority.

    i would be interested in the mean, median and mode.
    alas, the middle 80 or 90 % of the curve, where the more important, i.e., representative majority, fall under, may be the silent ones.
    they do not post their experiences. and if they do, they would probably not stand out at all and would be filed under "mediocre" and be forgotten.
    so, unless there is a good study about this silent majority that can be quoted, we probably would not know how one brand would stack up against the other brands.

    in my opinion.
    Last edited by dr. d; August 10th, 2024 at 11:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    both sides of the gaussian curve are, in my view, the noisy ones. they are the ones who complain about their batteries' short lifespans, and the ones who wax poetic about their batteries' very long life spans. they are the out-liers. the minority.
    i would be interested in the mean, median and mode.
    alas, the middle 80 % of the curve, where the more important, i.e., representative majority, fall under, may be the silent ones. they do not post their experiences. so, unless there is a study about this silent majority, we probably would not know how one brand would stack up against the other brands.
    in my opinion.
    That is true, but I don't think such a study or report exist... at least, they're not publicly available.

    What we do have are the social media posts.... ie. the "noises", as you've succinctly put, which may be the only feedback consumers have in terms of the product quality and performance. Fake profiles on a smear campaign rampage will only skew public perception, sans any valid market study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    That is true, but I don't think such a study or report exist... at least, they're not publicly available.

    What we do have are the social media posts.... ie. the "noises", as you've succinctly put, which may be the only feedback consumers have in terms of the product quality and performance. Fake profiles on a smear campaign rampage will only skew public perception, sans any valid market study.
    because of the internet's wide-reaching influence,
    "madali mag-sira nang reputasyon nang isang tao, o isang brand."

    one social scientist explained,
    "it is easy, because we want to believe it."
    this is the same explanation on why scams work.

    i am a motolite fan, thru and thru. "buy filipino", that's me.
    and in my decades of motolite use, only once was i able to take advantage of premature battery death warranty. it died 1 month before warranty expiry. they gave me a new battery! it was one of the happiest consumer days of my life!
    heh heh.
    Last edited by dr. d; August 10th, 2024 at 12:27 PM.

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    Motolite pa din ako. I didn't really bought into Amaron having a longer life. Replacing battery is part of car ownership din naman and finite din talaga ng life niyang.

    Plus yun convenience na pa deliver na lang sa bahay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    That is true, but I don't think such a study or report exist... at least, they're not publicly available.

    What we do have are the social media posts.... ie. the "noises", as you've succinctly put, which may be the only feedback consumers have in terms of the product quality and performance. Fake profiles on a smear campaign rampage will only skew public perception, sans any valid market study.
    personal endorsement from ordinary folks, may be a powerful influence on buyers' choices, regardless of the ordinary folk's intentions.
    it might even be more powerful than endorsements from celebrities, who are paid to... endorse certain products.

    furrinstance,
    i wouldn't believe an ad of lewis hamilton endorsing an alcoholic beverage,
    but if my colleague says, "dr. d, try this drink...", i'd be willing to give it a try.
    Last edited by dr. d; August 10th, 2024 at 12:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Motolite pa din ako. I didn't really bought into Amaron having a longer life. Replacing battery is part of car ownership din naman and finite din talaga ng life niyang.

    Plus yun convenience na pa deliver na lang sa bahay.
    I have used Motolite Gold in the past and 2 out of 3 times, it left me in a difficult bind.... failed at home on my way to work while the other failed at work, on my way home. The third, failed when I picked up my car from casa for some bodywork. They gave me a boost so it wasn't as bad of an experience. But the thing is, they almost always fail without warning. It may be "fine" a few hours earlier but would be dead the next time you use it.

    But siguro kuripot lang ako. Mahal na kasi Motolite but with only a typical 2-3 year lifespan. Amaron is slightly cheaper but with a more generous 4-5 year lifespan in my use case.

    This is not in any way put Motolite in a bad light. I have a factory-installed Motolite "Gold" (blue label) now in my 2024 Innova 1GD. I have been trickle-charging it during the weekends and everytime the car won't be used for at least a day or more, to top it off and see if a little heavier-handed maintenance can make a difference in extending its life. Bought the car new in April and will be taking a reading every 6 months to monitor its wear rate. The next reading will be in October.




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    we all have our unique driving ways.
    one may not always compare another's battery life with ours.

    i posted this before.
    we have two near-equal innovae.
    one for city drive, and another for highway.
    fitted with the then-cheapest battery in town (champion, my motolite),
    the city-driver's lasted 13 months, a month longer than warranty. note that i turned the engine off on those long red light intersections.
    the highway-driver lasted over 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    I have used Motolite Gold in the past and 2 out of 3 times, it left me in a difficult bind.... failed at home on my way to work while the other failed at work, on my way home. The third, failed when I picked up my car from casa for some bodywork. They gave me a boost so it wasn't as bad of an experience. But the thing is, they almost always fail without warning. It may be "fine" a few hours earlier but would be dead the next time you use it.

    But siguro kuripot lang ako. Mahal na kasi Motolite but with only a typical 2-3 year lifespan. Amaron is slightly cheaper but with a more generous 4-5 year lifespan in my use case.

    This is not in any way put Motolite in a bad light. I have a factory-installed Motolite "Gold" (blue label) now in my 2024 Innova 1GD. I have been trickle-charging it during the weekends and everytime the car won't be used for at least a day or more, to top it off and see if a little heavier-handed maintenance can make a difference in extending its life. Bought the car new in April and will be taking a reading every 6 months to monitor its wear rate. The next reading will be in October.



    Dapat sagarin mo na battery now para pag nag fail mq claim mo pa under warranty.

    I have been using the auto start/stop function nga even if ayaw ko para if ever masira battery ma claim ko pa but no luck lagpas na one year Ok ba batt so baka masira na dahil I don't turn off the function. Bwisit. [emoji23]


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Dapat sagarin mo na battery now para pag nag fail mq claim mo pa under warranty.

    I have been using the auto start/stop function nga even if ayaw ko para if ever masira battery ma claim ko pa but no luck lagpas na one year Ok ba batt so baka masira na dahil I don't turn off the function. Bwisit. [emoji23]
    That time I mentioned na bumigay Motolite ko sa casa, nahabol ko pa sa Motolite, as in a week before the warranty expired. I think the warranty was 21 months and the 2nd battery also died less than 2 years later.

    This is the reason why I have this certain disdain towards this brand. They have really built-in planned obsolescence into their products and not only that, they've really got it down to an almost exact science.

    Sure, you have a 50/50 chance the battery would die before or after the warranty, but I'd rather have one that is known to last longer than that... all else being the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    . I have been trickle-charging it during the weekends and everytime the car won't be used for at least a day or more, to top it off and see if a little heavier-handed maintenance can make a difference in extending its life. Bought the car new in April and will be taking a reading every 6 months to monitor its wear rate. The next reading will be in October.
    speaking of heavy handed maintenance...

    when one cell dies the whole battery dies. typically the cell starts dying when it goes a bit lower than the rest when you check with hydrometer. when left unchecked the cell gets sulfated and the whole batt cant function even when the rest of the cells are good. to correct the imbalance you charge at 15.0v. the full cells absorb the overcharge by boiling off while the low cell gets up to full.

    as for motolites yeah they're junk. never buying one again

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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    That time I mentioned na bumigay Motolite ko sa casa, nahabol ko pa sa Motolite, as in a week before the warranty expired. I think the warranty was 21 months and the 2nd battery also died less than 2 years later.

    This is the reason why I have this certain disdain towards this brand. They have really built-in planned obsolescence into their products and not only that, they've really got it down to an almost exact science.

    Sure, you have a 50/50 chance the battery would die before or after the warranty, but I'd rather have one that is known to last longer than that... all else being the same.
    No I mean since you bought the car nun May lang so factory battery should only have 1 year warranty from the dealer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Motolite pa din ako. I didn't really bought into Amaron having a longer life. Replacing battery is part of car ownership din naman and finite din talaga ng life niyang.

    Plus yun convenience na pa deliver na lang sa bahay.

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    I swear by Amaron. You should check my thread. Delivery din naman sa Amaron.

    What is the Longest Life of your Car Battery?

    Umabot ng almost 8 yrs yung first Amaron ko. Yung latest ko sa Gen 10 ko 2020 and still working, considering na my Gen 10 goes months na hindi napapaandar. Yung sa Gen 11 ko 2021 naman.

    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    This is the reason why I have this certain disdain towards this brand. They have really built-in planned obsolescence into their products and not only that, they've really got it down to an almost exact science.
    101% TRUE! What is the only PRO about getting a Motolite? You know exactly when to replace it. On the day or after the warranty expires LOL!

    For more than 15 yrs since I got my first car, one of things I knew was my Motolite battery will die just after the expiration. Amaron changed that! I am glad I discovered Amaron here in Tsikot

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