BYD Sealion 6 DM-i

[Verbl Kint]

Car Guide PH review is out: Review: 225 BYD Sealion 6 DM-i | ************ | Philippine Car News, Car Reviews, Car Prices

"I never really like to throw the term, “gamechanger,” but that’s exactly what the BYD Sealion 6 DM-i is. Though it falls short in terms of driving fun, it excels in just about everything else. Buyers will surely be piqued by it because of its stupendous fuel economy, but they’ll find that there’s more—way more—to like. Whether it’s the high levels of tech, space, equipment, and safety, this compact SUV has it all."

[Motortrend]

Car Guide PH review is out: Review: 2�25 BYD Sealion 6 DM-i | ************ | Philippine Car News, Car Reviews, Car Prices

"I never really like to throw the term, “gamechanger,” but that’s exactly what the BYD Sealion 6 DM-i is. Though it falls short in terms of driving fun, it excels in just about everything else. Buyers will surely be piqued by it because of its stupendous fuel economy, but they’ll find that there’s more—way more—to like. Whether it’s the high levels of tech, space, equipment, and safety, this compact SUV has it all."

The article starts with:

"Simple arithmetic reveals that it’s just 18.33 km/L—comparable to a typical non-plug-in hybrid setup or even a diesel-powered SUV. But focusing on the consumption figure alone doesn’t tell the whole story. See, a plug-in hybrid will never reach the same level of efficiency as a typical hybrid or a battery electric vehicle for one reason: it’s carrying two full powertrains, but only uses one at any given time. True enough, with a 1,830-kilogram curb weight, it’s heavier than a Honda CR-V RS e:HEV or even the BYD Atto 3."

And yet the writer concludes with "Buyers will surely be piqued by it because of its stupendous fuel economy". Is this even the same person?

[Walter]

Sounded like it was just copied from the press materials ... review lacked so many details ...

[Motortrend]

Sounded like it was just copied from the press materials ... review lacked so many details ...

Yeah. He lost me with "gamechanger".

[Verbl Kint]

Uly (runs Car Guide PH) typically doesn't mince his words with his reviews (likely the reason why Mazda no longer sends him cars to check out). Most reviewers in the PH usually don't want to ruffle feathers, to be honest.

[bxr monkey]

The article starts with:

"Simple arithmetic reveals that it’s just 18.33 km/L—comparable to a typical non-plug-in hybrid setup or even a diesel-powered SUV. But focusing on the consumption figure alone doesn’t tell the whole story. See, a plug-in hybrid will never reach the same level of efficiency as a typical hybrid or a battery electric vehicle for one reason: it’s carrying two full powertrains, but only uses one at any given time. True enough, with a 1,830-kilogram curb weight, it’s heavier than a Honda CR-V RS e:HEV or even the BYD Atto 3."

And yet the writer concludes with "Buyers will surely be piqued by it because of its stupendous fuel economy". Is this even the same person?

Malamang iyong 1st part dahil sa press release figures.

Last part dahil sa actual.

The entire week the Sealion 6 DM-i was with me, I consumed just 7.6 liters of fuel and 34.4 kWh of battery equating to 43 km/L and 9.5 km/kWh (average speed of 14 km/h). Bonkers, right?

[Motortrend]

Uly (runs Car Guide PH) typically doesn't mince his words with his reviews (likely the reason why Mazda no longer sends him cars to check out). Most reviewers in the PH usually don't want to ruffle feathers, to be honest.

Balancing act I suppose.

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Malamang iyong 1st part dahil sa press release figures.

Last part dahil sa actual.

That makes sense.

[Verbl Kint]

Top Gear review:

https://www.topgear.com.ph/drives/ca...-20240924-lfrm

"The BYD Sealion 6 DM-i is one of the best Chinese cars you can buy today, mainly because of its extremely attractive and competitive price point. At P1.548 million, you would expect entry-level specifications, but this car comes with almost all the bells and whistles you could hope for in a tech-forward automobile.

That said, you have to balance this with how the Sealion handles rough roads. It’s the one blemish in what could be one of the most competitive cars in its price range and segment. Yes, there is hype when it comes to this car, and frankly, it almost lives up to it."

[anonemus]

That said, you have to balance this with how the Sealion handles rough roads. It’s the one blemish in what could be one of the most competitive cars in its price range and segment. Yes, there is hype when it comes to this car, and frankly, it almost lives up to it."[/I]

Handling Southeast Asian roads can be tweaked by BYD. They're just collecting data and feedback and will update soon, I bet.

[111prez]

still a bit confusing

if byd claims that their dm-i tech on ICE and EV works in tandem (independent? semi-independent? simulataneous?), shouldn't the car be able to run even if either the ICE or EV are gone?

sa Nissan e-power, it is clear that only the EV powers the transmission and the ICE is only a generator.

[LOLZ]

still a bit confusing

if byd claims that their dm-i tech on ICE and EV works in tandem (independent? semi-independent? simulataneous?), shouldn't the car be able to run even if either the ICE or EV are gone?

sa Nissan e-power, it is clear that only the EV powers the transmission and the ICE is only a generator.

Losing the EV side will probably also disable the BYD as it does for Toyota with their Hybrid/PHEVs.

Starting the ICE seems to still be the responsibility of the Generator motor still. Gearing for the ICE is also a concern as BYD's DM-i 4.0 (as used in the Sealion 6) due to its use of what is essentially a single-speed transmission for the ICE-only/Parallel mode operation instead of the Planetary CVT in the HSD similar to the Outlander PHEV.


If the sealion's acceleration[23:50] behavior indicates anything the ICE is likely geared for highway cruising


BYD's DM-i 5.0 (in the Seal 06) changes things quite a bit with two clutches and two planetary gearsets to allow the ICE to simultaneously charge the battery and drive the wheels as well as allowing the smaller motor to participate in EV mode.

How BYD’s DM-i 5.0 PHEV system reportedly works

[HW009]

It has an ICE engine, albeit it works as a generator only ... daw

EV range is only 100km. Very limited. Not practical. But you can plug it to recharge.

but hybrid range is 1,100km. You have to gas up and make sure the tank is filled.

But it is not similar to the Nissan e-Power tech.

Or is it???? Kopya na naman?

We drove recently our SeaLion 6 from the metro to Pico de Loro. Heavily loaded. Distance was 85 kms and it took 61% of the battery charge. Found a 240V outlet at Pico de Loro and recharged the battery and had the same result coming back to Manila. In total 25kW consumed for 170 kms. We charge regularly at home with a portable charger and the fuel guage has not moved since the car was purchased. So far, all ok.

[GTcervan]

Ewan ko lang pero first time kong nakita eto sa street, parang yung exterior of this looks like mashup of a cayenne trying to be a lexus, vice versa or whatever.

We drove recently our SeaLion 6 from the metro to Pico de Loro. Heavily loaded. Distance was 85 kms and it took 61% of the battery charge. Found a 240V outlet at Pico de Loro and recharged the battery and had the same result coming back to Manila. In total 25kW consumed for 170 kms. We charge regularly at home with a portable charger and the fuel guage has not moved since the car was purchased. So far, all ok.

Lumalabas parang 140km lang range ng battery niyan sa full charge. Anyway, hindi maganda sentiments ng iba rito when it comes to chinese brands. Pero dami nga nilang ev jan for sale locally.

[Motortrend]

Ewan ko lang pero first time kong nakita eto sa street, parang yung exterior of this looks like mashup of a cayenne trying to be a lexus, vice versa or whatever.


Lumalabas parang 140km lang range ng battery niyan sa full charge. Anyway, hindi maganda sentiments ng iba rito when it comes to chinese brands. Pero dami nga nilang ev jan for sale locally.

Agree. The design is derivative.

[dr. d]

passenger and pedestrian safety... wind resistance... efficiency... demands of manufacturing...
i dare say, over the years, automotive design unfailingly will do tend to look like each other...
unlike in yesterdecades, when car designs emphasize more on how it looks like, and not how it functions...

[Motortrend]

passenger and pedestrian safety... wind resistance... efficiency... demands of manufacturing...
i dare say, over the years, automotive design unfailingly will do tend to look like each other...
unlike in yesterdecades, when car designs emphasize more on how it looks like, and not how it functions...

True but there is a distinction between a trend and a copy.

[dr. d]

True but there is a distinction between a trend and a copy.

china? copy? heh heh heh.

[Verbl Kint]

Derivative maybe because BYD's chief designer is Wolfgang Egger, who used to be the head designer for Alfa Romeo, Audi, and Lamborghini.

I remember when the Kias of the 20-teen years were also called copies and it turns out the designer was, in fact, Peter Schreyer (also German and also worked in Audi).

[Motortrend]

china? copy? heh heh heh.

As you would say, qué horror!

[dr. d]

Derivative maybe because BYD's chief designer is Wolfgang Egger, who used to be the head designer for Alfa Romeo, Audi, and Lamborghini.

I remember when the Kias of the 20-teen years were also called copies and it turns out the designer was, in fact, Peter Schreyer (also German and also worked in Audi).

as an aside,
in the music industry,
john fogerty was sued for... plagiarizing himself!
heh heh.

locally,
in the 90s, there was this urban legend (?) that mercedes benz allegedly sued mitsubishi, for "copying" their MB triangular tail light design, into the lancer's pizza pie tail light...

but i wonder,
how close does a car design have to be, to be copyright and sue-able?