Electronic Gear Selector / Electronic Gear-shift

[honza]

I have a question. i wonder what your thoughts are on this new technology: electronic gear selector.

Will this be the standard in future cars now, the way the push-start button is today?

It seems like if you plan to buy a new car, mas maganda mag-intay sa bagong model na meron nang electronic gear selector.

Honda Legend and Honda CRV (the latest 2017 model) have this.

So far, these three are starting to pop-up on most new cars:

1. Push/start button - a lot of cars have this now, when 5 years ago, ang hi-tech nya tingnan.
2. Electronic Park brake - Montero has this, Everest doesn't have. CRV has this too.
3. Electronic Gear Selector - CRV has this (aside from Honda Legend).

I wonder if the 2018 Ford Everest and other 2018 cars would have this as a feature.

[yapoy86]

I have a question. i wonder what your thoughts are on this new technology: electronic gear selector.

Will this be the standard in future cars now, the way the push-start button is today?

It seems like if you plan to buy a new car, mas maganda mag-intay sa bagong model na meron nang electronic gear selector.

Honda Legend and Honda CRV (the latest 2017 model) have this.

So far, these three are starting to pop-up on most new cars:

1. Push/start button - a lot of cars have this now, when 5 years ago, ang hi-tech nya tingnan.
2. Electronic Park brake - Montero has this, Everest doesn't have. CRV has this too.
3. Electronic Gear Selector - CRV has this (aside from Honda Legend).

I wonder if the 2018 Ford Everest and other 2018 cars would have this as a feature.

Electronic gear selector is not new... some tourist bus already have this tech.. saw one in our field trip the bus we used have PRND buttons on dash

[Vodka]

just electric actuators, servos, etc instead of manually actuated. reliability depends on whether your arms/fingers are more reliable than electric stuff

then soon we'll have self-driving cars

[dr. d]

well, some folks still prefer manual transmission.
sometimes, the simpler gadgets are the more reliable ones.

[Bravoexo]

Hmm, the stick shift on a 2005 mazda3 actually just pushes buttons underneath the gated panel. Same for steering wheel paddle shifters.... they're just buttons.

[Janemar]

I have a question. i wonder what your thoughts are on this new technology: electronic gear selector.

Will this be the standard in future cars now, the way the push-start button is today?

It seems like if you plan to buy a new car, mas maganda mag-intay sa bagong model na meron nang electronic gear selector.

Honda Legend and Honda CRV (the latest 2017 model) have this.

So far, these three are starting to pop-up on most new cars:

1. Push/start button - a lot of cars have this now, when 5 years ago, ang hi-tech nya tingnan.
2. Electronic Park brake - Montero has this, Everest doesn't have. CRV has this too.
3. Electronic Gear Selector - CRV has this (aside from Honda Legend).

I wonder if the 2018 Ford Everest and other 2018 cars would have this as a feature.

1. Dami sa banawe and olx nito if gusto mo pakabit. Meron ung pinaka mahal na brand is integrated sya sa alarm mo and capable of doing remote engine start.

2. Trust me, i have a car na may electric parking brake and I hate that feature. Most of the time i feel it's too slow to react, engaging or disengaging. Umusad na oto sa harap ko and ako nag aantay pa mag retract ung electric hand brake. LOL

Worst case, pag nagluko, sigurado ititirik ka pa. Pampalubag loob lang on honda's EPB implementation, may brake hold function sya which is helpful sa stop and go trapik. Pero not all cars with EPB have brake hold function like sa monty na wala.

3. Ok sya to save space lalo na if marami ka abubot nilalagay sa oto/center console in particular.

[honza]

1. Dami sa banawe and olx nito if gusto mo pakabit. Meron ung pinaka mahal na brand is integrated sya sa alarm mo and capable of doing remote engine start.

2. Trust me, i have a car na may electric parking brake and I hate that feature. Most of the time i feel it's too slow to react, engaging or disengaging. Umusad na oto sa harap ko and ako nag aantay pa mag retract ung electric hand brake. LOL

Worst case, pag nagluko, sigurado ititirik ka pa. Pampalubag loob lang on honda's EPB implementation, may brake hold function sya which is helpful sa stop and go trapik. Pero not all cars with EPB have brake hold function like sa monty na wala.

3. Ok sya to save space lalo na if marami ka abubot nilalagay sa oto/center console in particular.

Thanks Janemar. Your comment on #2 is interesting. Akala ko pa naman, electronic parking brakes will make my stop & go sa traffic faster! Kase button na lang sya. So hindi pala?

Pero, with Honda's brake hold function, you think it can make it faster? I wonder how it works, if I have to push the EPB then the brake hold function? Or just the brake hold function? I guess I will have to test-drive the new Honda CR-V.

Initially kase I wanted to buy Ford Everest, but then it doesn't have Push/Start button, and no EPB like the one in Montero.

[jut703]

Pero, with Honda's brake hold function, you think it can make it faster? I wonder how it works, if I have to push the EPB then the brake hold function? Or just the brake hold function? I guess I will have to test-drive the new Honda CR-V.

Yes it's much faster to just use Brake Hold during stop lights. Just turn it on, then whenever you're at a complete stop whether in D or N, the car applies just enough pressure on the brakes to keep the car firmly stopped. The moment you step on the accelerator, Brake Hold disengages and you can go your merry way without having to press or wait for anything.


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[oj88]

Electronics are getting cheaper and becoming more reliable. With most car manufacturers' aim to increase fuel economy, every ounce of weight reduction from different parts here and there adds up.

About the only primary analog controls you have left in a car are the steering, accel. pedal and the brakes. Everything else that can be either on or off are being replaced by actuators.

[yebo]

question on electronic parking brake. can you apply it when the vehicle is in motion and tranny is in gear? kasi one function of the hand brake is also to act as an emergency brake. kung hindi mag-engage ang electronic parking brake e di hindi siya pwedeng emergency brake?

[honza]

question on electronic parking brake. can you apply it when the vehicle is in motion and tranny is in gear? kasi one function of the hand brake is also to act as an emergency brake. kung hindi mag-engage ang electronic parking brake e di hindi siya pwedeng emergency brake?

Good question. I'd be interested to know the answer too.

[oj88]

Electronic parking brake behvior while moving probably depends on the make and model of the vehicle.

What Happens If You Pull The Electronic Parking Brake WHILE driving ? - YouTube

[Walter]

About the only primary analog controls you have left in a car are the steering, accel. pedal and the brakes.

Power steering these days are electronic ... accelerator pedal has been electronic for a decade already ... these are not physically connected anymore ... they are drive by wire ...

Mercedes Benz tried electronic braking system on the W211 E-class but consumers did not like it and reverted back to analog during the facelift of W211 model ...

[Walter]

question on electronic parking brake. can you apply it when the vehicle is in motion and tranny is in gear? kasi one function of the hand brake is also to act as an emergency brake. kung hindi mag-engage ang electronic parking brake e di hindi siya pwedeng emergency brake?

Some cars have fail safe ... but mechanical is still faster during emergency situations ... and stunt driving ...

[oj88]

Power steering these days are electronic ... accelerator pedal has been electronic for a decade already ... these are not physically connected anymore ... they are drive by wire ...

Mercedes Benz tried electronic braking system on the W211 E-class but consumers did not like it and reverted back to analog during the facelift of W211 model ...

I agree with you, but that's not the point I'm making.

Yes, we have electronic steering assist and drive-by-wire accel pedal.... but they're still analog. Obviously, you can't have a steering system that can only do full left, right, and center. Same with the accel and brake pedals. They're not simple ON and OFF switches.

As opposed to shifting... where gear selection is fixed. Even cars with CVTs, the driver does not have override control over the gears.... if it has 7 forward gears, you can select 1 to 7, but not 1.5, 3.8, or some other odd gear ratios that, in reality, the CVT could probably do in "D".

Same deal with electronic parking brakes... it's either ON (engaged) or OFF (disengaged). How often have ordinary people actually used their parking/e-brakes in an actual emergency? And wouldn't you think that activating a button is easier for everyone than tugging on a traditional lever, where locking the rear tires is possible? Not everyone drifts.

[yapoy86]

Power steering these days are electronic ... accelerator pedal has been electronic for a decade already ... these are not physically connected anymore ... they are drive by wire ...

Mercedes Benz tried electronic braking system on the W211 E-class but consumers did not like it and reverted back to analog during the facelift of W211 model ...

Analog pa din ang steering.. yung assist lang nya ang electronic.. yung accelerator pedal ang not physically connected.. kaya may delay yan ng konti

[oj88]

Analog pa din ang steering.. yung assist lang nya ang electronic.. yung accelerator pedal ang not physically connected.. kaya may delay yan ng konti

Actually, instantaneous ang response ng drive-by-wire. Any inherent delays are designed and controlled by the ECM (ie. "rev-hang"), depending on the current driving conditions.

The pedal-to-throttle ratio is not always 1:1. This is very prominent sa A/T with drive-by-wire. If you put the pedal to the metal while in D, you will notice that the engine rev will "hang" near where the next shift point is, giving you a smoother transition to the next gear with little shift-shock and engine still within its powerband.

Kung 1:1 yun and you take off at WOT, you will experience a lot of shift-shock and hindi magtatagal yung A/T.

[Vodka]

i think people are confused w/ electric vs electronic. analog vs digital

electric refers to things moved by electricity. e.g. electric power steering is assisted by electric motors. which is controlled by a bunch of electronics. that's the crucial distinction here. that's why you shouldn't say electronic power steering

as for drive by wire accel pedal it's actually digital. the pedal position sensor encodes and communicates the position as well as a whole bunch of checksums, error-correction, etc. it's not safe to transmit this as an analog signal, interference would cause SUA-like disasters but that's not to say digital systems don't go SUA coz they do if they're buggy LOL

[oj88]

Semantics lang... electric/electronic power steering means the same thing. It's essentially a giant servo/stepper motor... which is controlled electronically... to provide just the right amount of torque.

And sa accel pedal... Yes, it is digital under the skin, but the manner in which it is operated is analog. Again, semantics na lang. An analogy (no pun intended) is digital music. Yes, the music is encoded digitally, but when you listen to it, it's analog.

[Vodka]

well i'm telling you it's wrong to call a Tesla an "electronic car" continue to do so and you immediately lose credibility LOL

they're called electric cars. clear naman yung distinction pinoys are just so sloppy w/ terminology kaya nga walang progress diba