Fuel conservation using acetone...

[BlueGirl]

Sir ghosthunter, hindi lang po kasi yung mixture ang iniisip ko..kasi panu makakatulong ang acetone sa pag save ng gasoline...ang combustion is an oxidation process..ang acetone itself can not be oxidized anymore kasi po un na yung oxidized state nya moreover, it is highly volatile...kaya isip ko po wlang effect...sbi pa nga ng kapwa chemist ko baka ma-accerelate pa ng acetone ang combustion ng gasoline imbis na makasave...

yung magtest ng acetone sa sasakyan, i think you should consult a chemical engineer..chemist lang kasi ako hindi ko alam tamang ratio ng gasoline sa acetone baka maka-apekto yan sa makina mo...saka yung acetone ata dapat industrial grade..iba yung nabibili sa drugstore eh...

[orly_andico]

bluegirl,

it looks like you didn't read the links at the beginning of the thread.
the acetone does not accelerate combustion of the gasoline. it also does not add energy since there's so little of it (3 OUNCES or about 80 GRAMS PER 10 GALLONS OF FUEL). the acetone is (supposed) to make the gasoline easier to atomize by reducing its surface tension or whatever...

anyway bosero, i'm pretty sure nothing will happen. the acetone is so minute in quantity. i bet if you added ONE LITER of water to your gas tank it wouldn't hurt your engine (it would cause misfiring though). But we're only talking about a MINUTE quantity of acetone. Plus, unlike water, acetone is combustible so it can be used as fuel.

[ghosthunter]

Sir ghosthunter, hindi lang po kasi yung mixture ang iniisip ko..kasi panu makakatulong ang acetone sa pag save ng gasoline...ang combustion is an oxidation process..ang acetone itself can not be oxidized anymore kasi po un na yung oxidized state nya moreover, it is highly volatile...kaya isip ko po wlang effect...sbi pa nga ng kapwa chemist ko baka ma-accerelate pa ng acetone ang combustion ng gasoline imbis na makasave...

The current discussed use of acetone in gasoline is NOT as fuel or fuel oxidizer but more to aid in lowering the surface tension of gasoline. Its something like the reverse of adding salt to water to raise its boiling point.

The point of lowering the surface tension of gasoline is to aid in its atomization when the fuel injectors spray it into your engine cylinders.

This has already been discussed on this thread.

yung magtest ng acetone sa sasakyan, i think you should consult a chemical engineer..chemist lang kasi ako hindi ko alam tamang ratio ng gasoline sa acetone baka maka-apekto yan sa makina mo...

Here's the ratio we are adding to cars: 60mL of acetone to 40 Liters of gasoline.

saka yung acetone ata dapat industrial grade..iba yung nabibili sa drugstore eh...

regarding industrial grade and drugstore grade acetone... how can PURE acetone be any different? Is the pure acetone being sold in drugstores any less pure than industrial grade acetone? Maybe if we are talking about denatured alcohol, it might be a different story.

[ghosthunter]

Hey GhostHunter!

I really appreciate your endeavors in experimenting on the fuel and acetone mixture. In fact, I think that it is such a good experiment that I bought some acetone myself.

nice to know I am not alone in this...

I am willing to experiment and post results as well. I just need some help in verifying and confirming the correct amount of acetone to use.

just try to minimize stuff that can screw up results like: tune-up, excessive idling, etc. during the testing phase.

I have a 95 L tank, so this means I need to add 142.25mL (round off to 142mL) of pure acetone. Is this correct (my math is messed up since I am so excited to try it out)?

Your math is accurate. Note: my ratio is approx. 2oz per 10 gallons. You can go as high as 3oz per 10 gallons. 1oz = 29mL. (I rounded this to 30)

I bought acetone from Watson's. Acentone is repacked by CIRIMAR Labs. and indicates Formulation: each 100mL contains 100% acetone. I bought a 120mL and a 60mL bottle. I am assuming that it is indeed 100% pure. Please stop me from proceeding with experiment if my assumption on acetone purity is wrong. I also have a graduated cylinder. Thanks.

if you have any doubts about your acetone's purity, why not pour some on some clean glass surface and let it evaporate. If it has any impurities, it should show up as some sort of solid crytals left behind.

btw, I hope that graduated cylinder is glass and not plastic.

I am ready to put the acetone in my tank and fill up my tank as soon as you verify and confirm that I am doing it properly.

My friend who has a 1997 Suzuki Vitara is also going to try this experiment with me.

Thank you.

I think you are ready. Keep us informed of your results!

[BOSERO]

I think this link might help in the explanation of how acetone helps in the combustion process. Its a group of engineers talking about acetone-gasoline mix.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...=119611&page=1

Ghosthunter,
60ml per 40L is roughly equivalent to 2.02 ounces / 10 gallons. According to the graph in the link provided in the beginning of thread, best results are obtained at 2.5 ounces (74mL) to 3 ounces (89mL) / 10 gallons (38L) of fuel.

What is the reason why you are starting at the 60mL acetone / 40L fuel instead of 74mL acetone / 38L fuel mixture ratio? Is this for the sake of experimenting with low ratioss than work your way up to higher concentrations?

[ghosthunter]

Ghosthunter,
60ml per 40L is roughly equivalent to 2.02 ounces / 10 gallons. According to the graph in the link provided in the beginning of thread, best results are obtained at 2.5 ounces (74mL) to 3 ounces (89mL) / 10 gallons (38L) of fuel.

What is the reason why you are starting at the 60mL acetone / 40L fuel instead of 74mL acetone / 38L fuel mixture ratio? Is this for the sake of experimenting with low ratioss than work your way up to higher concentrations?

based on the graph data, the gains in fuel milage is realized between 2 and 3 oz of acetone. I assumed using 2 oz for the test simply to verify the gains while trying to minimize the cost to attain those gains. A simple cost vs benefit decision. Not to mention, a 120mL bottle is enough to two doses. :D

[BOSERO]

Ghosthunter,

Ok on the 60mL acetone / 40L fuel.

I will go ahead and try a higher mixture of 2.5 ounces (78mL) / 10gallons (38L) of fuel just for the sake of variety in experiments. I will start today.

Will also post results after a week (and partial results within a few days.)

My friend with the Vitara will try the 60ml/40L fuel today. I will also post his results here.

Happy experimenting to us all. Hope all our vehicles will still be ok after this! hahahaha!

Yes. I used a glass graduated cylinder. Can the acetone be stored in a plastic bottle or does it have to be stored in a glass bottle? It came it a plastic bottle at Watsons.

[ghosthunter]

Ghosthunter,
Yes. I used a glass graduated cylinder. Can the acetone be stored in a plastic bottle or does it have to be stored in a glass bottle? It came it a plastic bottle at Watsons.

i guess the plastic bottle would be fine since it doesn't react with the acetone. Just make sure the cap's seal is tight.

[wac3]

sir ghosthunter,
what do you think will happen if you put in less than 60ml of acetone? let's say 40-50ml? kasi i wanna try this too pero medyo natatakot ako eh. so i'll try to put in around 40ml lang muna.

[ghosthunter]

you will get "some" gains. you can base it on the graph below.




as you can see, gains peak at 2 to 3 oz of acetone.

1oz = 29mL