E10.. Yes or No?

[ghosthunter]

i don't know...i guess i'm still not convinced, and probably have a lot of questions regarding it. maybe i'm one of those guys who are into old fashioned gasoline-carb-engine-type.

I guess you're also one of those still questioning the effectiveness and durability of modern EFI engines.

[jumpman138]

I guess you're also one of those still questioning the effectiveness and durability of modern EFI engines.

actually no...i do recognize the up sides of an efi engines, it's just that i really like carb engines more. maybe its their simplicity...or the way they sound(or maybe its just in my head..lol)...but for whatever it may be, for me i'm enjoying my carb n/a engine. well it's my "play" car at that...maybe someday i'll be buying a relatively "newer" for comfort driving, but not to replace my old one. maybe until that time, i'll be the carb-guy-lover...lol

[redeemed]

Ethanol gas can damage car engines—Petron

By Amy R. Remo
Philippine Daily Inquirer

Posted date: September 08, 2009

MANILA, Philippines—Oil refiner and retailer Petron Corp. has warned that the current ethanol-blended gasoline (E-10) could damage car engines and urged the Department of Energy to come up with clearer specifications for the fuel blend.

Petron chair and chief executive Ramon S. Ang said they had received many reports that the current blend is “highly corrosive.”

According to Ang, the company wrote the DoE last month requesting new guidelines to help protect motorists.

The Philippine Daily Inquirer was unable to get a comment from the DoE as of presstime. The E10 blend is still being sold in gasoline stations.

Ang said in a briefing that the alcohol mixed with gasoline could do much damage to a car’s gas tank, fuel pump, carburetor and fuel injector, among others.

The problem, he said, was that the government did not specify that there should be a dehydrator to remove the water content, which is what makes the ethanol-blended gasoline (E10) highly corrosive.

“That’s why Petron wrote to the DoE. If we push E10, we have to prepare the correct specifications to prevent damage to cars,” Ang explained.

“Right now, the DoE together with the industry is formulating the specifications and the guidelines. They are studying it. What we are saying here is based on the experience of motorists and our own experience as well,” Ang said.

Under the Biofuels Law, all oil companies are mandated to pre-blend 5 percent ethanol in gasoline-fueled vehicles starting February 2009 and increase this to 10 percent by 2011. Most of the oil companies began pre-blending 10 percent ethanol in their gasoline products as early as 2008, way ahead of the mandate of the law.

In a separate phone interview, Petron president Eric O. Recto said the company was still “in the middle of collating data to help the industry understand the potential impact of ethanol (on vehicles).”

“We have empirical evidence coming from all over but we’re not done with the information gathering—a few more weeks or a month maybe to complete (it)... ethanol has certain negative effects on car engines,” Recto said.

He noted that the move is an initiative of Petron, but was something they thought would benefit the rest of the oil industry.

“Let me put it this way, there are pluses and minuses in using ethanol and we just want to make sure that both sides are studied and heard first,” Recto said

(source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...-enginesPetron)





Petron na mismo nagsabi... any comments fellow tsikoteers? me, i never use E10 pa.. nung nawala unleaded, i shift to XCS.

[jumpman138]

someone should have spoken up way before...or maybe did a lot of tests before implementing it as far as i'm concerned. probably 2-3years of testing would do...parang minadali kasi e. everyone knows that your car is one of the biggest investments that a person will buy in hi/her lifetime. haaay...

[INTREPID]

I just don't use it, period. Until they make all gasolines into E-10, I'll just use the non-E10 types such as Caltex Gold, XCS, or V Power. Even the lesser cost won't convince me to use E10. What's a few pesos per liter that you will save compared to the costs you will incur when your engine gets damaged in the long run.

Just my two cents worth.

[KERSMcRae]

Petron na mismo nagsabi... any comments fellow tsikoteers? me, i never use E10 pa.. nung nawala unleaded, i shift to XCS.

Does this mean H2O is better than E10? :hysterical: Buhay pa ba si Sir Dingle?

E10, NO.

[jumpman138]

I just don't use it, period. Until they make all gasolines into E-10, I'll just use the non-E10 types such as Caltex Gold, XCS, or V Power. Even the lesser cost won't convince me to use E10. What's a few pesos per liter that you will save compared to the costs you will incur when your engine gets damaged in the long run.

Just my two cents worth.

as far as i know though, only xcs is e10 free...all shell and caltex variants have at least 5% ethanol already...

[jumpman138]

Does this mean H2O is better than E10? :hysterical: Buhay pa ba si Sir Dingle?

E10, NO.

if we can have that technology be cheaper then yes, H2O is better than e10..hehehehe...

[ghosthunter]

if we can have that technology be cheaper then yes, H2O is better than e10..hehehehe...

There is a thread for H2O, HHO or whatever you want to call it. If you want to mention your two cents about it, I suggest you look for it and post it there.

[OldSchoolHack]

We are seriously considering LPG for our older car which also has a bad FC. A little more money saved and I will have it converted to dual LPG-gasoline setup.

I have serious doubts if the people in Senate and Congress even grasps the problem of E10 gasoline because they all ride in big SUVs and sedans that are either new or relatively new.

For the typical working class person who owns a car, there is a big chance that the car is ten years or older. So it will be a big problem if all gasoline will be ethanol blends.

Currently, the only viable solution would be to upgrade the car to Auto-LPG which would by-pass the ethanol compatibility problem in older cars.