E10 Ethanol, bad for your engine & economy? [MERGED]

[niky]

Old news. And depressing news. The new refineries put up in the last two years were supposed to spur local production, but it still lags well behind demand.

[yebo]

personally i disapprove of anything that takes away acreage meant for food production to some other puspose UNLESS it can multiply the benefits (employment, productivity and income of both owners and employees) at least 10 times. ethanol crop plantations, jetropa and palm oil plantations, and golf courses all belong to this abomination.

[badkuk]

Mas mahal ata ung locally produced ethanol; i guess the economies of scale just aren't there yet.


Some companies like AgriNurture, URC, are going into power generation using biomass. Hopefully this means they'll use farm by-products as feedstock/fuel. i guess the feed-in tariffs and such make it worth their while.

[uls]

stupid law

knee jerk reaction to the 2008 oil price spike

meant to reduce reliance on imported crude/products

local ethanol producers couldnt produce enough so oil companies have to buy ethanol from Brazil

so much for reducing reliance on imports

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http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...hanol-shortage

Less than 20% of the country's ethanol requirements come from local producers and the rest of the needed supply is sourced through imports.

[shadow]

kumita nanaman pamilya ni Zubiri

[ghosthunter]

I just wish someone in government would propose stopping the requirement for ethanol blending.

[uls]

local ethanol producers must be very well-connected

they lobbied the govt to enact a law that created permanent demand (guaranteed buyers) for their product

[ghosthunter]

local ethanol producers must be very well-connected

they lobbied the govt to enact a law that created permanent demand (guaranteed buyers) for their product

Not really well connected, just in the right time and place when people were looking for alternatives for expensive fuels with green credentials.

[shelu]

it simply shows how stupid this government is. it decides things for the people without thinking what lies ahead. +1 to this are the opportunist in the government. i remember cory, tama na, sobra na.

[Chinoi]

I just wish someone in government would propose stopping the requirement for ethanol blending.

Dapat ito ipangako ng mga politician ngayun. Nakakasawa na yun para sa mahirap at pagkain sa bawat pamilya.

Sigurado dami boboto sa kanya.


Some says ethanol blend fuel was not fuel efficient for carburator type engine.

Luckily I've installed Multiple Spark CDIS for my Lancer EL 96 4G13 engine. I've increased the Spark Voltage from 30KV to 40KV. The engine runs better in 40KV high tension voltage even with ethanol mixed fuel..

[1D4LV]

I know that there are plenty of articles here about E10, but this one is a good read.

http://www.philstar.com/business/201...lly-our-burden

[uls]

from the article above:

The law mandates the oil companies to secure their supply from local sources before importing. But the local suppliers have not been able to keep up with the requirement. The oil companies will have to import their ethanol requirements to comply with the government mandate. That negates one of the objectives of the law which is supposed to increase our level of energy independence and save on foreign exchange.

me:

stupid law

knee jerk reaction to the 2008 oil price spike

meant to reduce reliance on imported crude/products

local ethanol producers couldnt produce enough so oil companies have to buy ethanol from Brazil

so much for reducing reliance on imports

from the article:

Once government mandates that all types of gasoline be blended with 10-percent ethanol, this shortfall will only grow bigger. So, why is government pushing for the 10-percent ethanol mandate? Sino nanaman ang kikita dito? Given the significant price differential between imported and local ethanol, this looks like pure and simple economic rent-seeking by local vested interests working through politicians like Mr. Zubiri whose family is also in the sugar business.

me:

local ethanol producers must be very well-connected

they lobbied the govt to enact a law that created permanent demand (guaranteed buyers) for their product

[LoBudget]

Is it better or even required that you consume the contents of the tank before refilling considering napapanis yung e10? So if you had a full tank then consumed 3/4 tank in 4 weeks, then you topped off again to full there would be some e10 there that would be breaking down in about 2 weeks time?

Or does adding new E10 somehow revive the old stuff already in the tank?

[ghosthunter]

Is it better or even required that you consume the contents of the tank before refilling considering napapanis yung e10? So if you had a full tank then consumed 3/4 tank in 4 weeks, then you topped off again to full there would be some e10 there that would be breaking down in about 2 weeks time?

Or does adding new E10 somehow revive the old stuff already in the tank?

Adding fresh E10 gasoline just dilutes the spoiled fuel in the tank.

[LoBudget]

Adding fresh E10 gasoline just dilutes the spoiled fuel in the tank.

crappy, so its not advisable to fill up? better to just go on a weekly low amount since this will reduce the chance or amount of spoiled gas? They should really have made the spoilage issue clearer when they introduced this stuff.

[Nitrop]

Are there petrol brands that doesn't contain ethanol? Other than Petron Blaze?

Read the article and it reads that Petron Blaze 100 is PURE gasoline. But I'm still concerned of the 100RON because I think most petrol engines indicates up to 97RON only? Not sure as I don't have the owners manual with me.

[ghosthunter]

crappy, so its not advisable to fill up? better to just go on a weekly low amount since this will reduce the chance or amount of spoiled gas? They should really have made the spoilage issue clearer when they introduced this stuff.

well, spoiled gas lowers your fuel economy. So a mix would result in less than optimum fuel economy.

[mark_t]

well, spoiled gas lowers your fuel economy. So a mix would result in less than optimum fuel economy.

But when did the gasoline spoiled really, after mixing it with ethanol or after the ethanol has evaporated?
Better buy pure gasoline for economy.

But from the viewpoint of taxmen, more tax from evaporated fuel.
The more evaporation the merrier.

[ghosthunter]

But when did the gasoline spoiled really, after mixing it with ethanol or after the ethanol has evaporated?
Better buy pure gasoline for economy.

But from the viewpoint of taxmen, more tax from evaporated fuel.
The more evaporation the merrier.

Easier said than done. Where can we still buy "pure" gasoline (or gasoline without ethanol). From what I know, the only one left available is Petron Blaze.

[drunkpunk]

mga bros hindi ba talaga safe ang E10 sa mga carb engines? medyo conflicting kasi sinasabi ng mga experts eh, sabi ng iba ok lang, yung iba naman hindi. yung 89 corolla ko walang E10 ang fuel na pinapakarga ko para sigurado pero sa hindi kilalang gasulinahan ako nagpapagas dahil puro may E10 na ang big 3 at ibang independent players.