Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[niky]

It's hard to diagnose with no hands-on or pictures, but I'm betting there's something loose.

Have the technicians go over everything very carefully. If the car is losing power on gasoline, I suggest you check the fittings... there are a lot of additional hoses going to the radiator and the vacuum system. A lose vacuum hose will cause exactly those symptoms on gasoline... poor running, dying, and rough running on gasoline. It may also mean an issue with your MAF or MAP sensor (I don't know which the Camry has) or a loose intake hose... maybe the PCV or rebreather.

Does the 96 camry have a stock O2 sensor in the exhaust?

[aamd]

dude, san ka nagpa convert? kasi ganyan dati ang prob ko sa adventure ko using EROOM's closed loop kit...almost all na mitsu na kino convert nila ayon kay bigfootoz e may CEL (check engine light) prob...pero naayos na ng EROOM yun ngayon, nag add pa ng isang emulator yata yun o ECU, ayun wala na, mas gumanda pa takbo...i think sakit ng mitsu talaga yan na kapag walang nasesense yung engine na walang lumalabas sa nozzle ng gasoline e umiilaw yung CEL...maganda i-coordinate ng installer mo yan sa MMC (mitsu motors) para ma-address...

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sa greenfuel ako nagpaconvert dude. hintayin ko response ni warren or si mike, baka may solution na sila dito.

[jov78ph]

For those who have luxury vehicles but contemplating on converting to LPG, check this site http://www.arunautogas.co.uk/autogas_lpg_conversion.htm

[niky]

For those who have luxury vehicles but contemplating on converting to LPG, check this site http://www.arunautogas.co.uk/autogas_lpg_conversion.htm

Doesn't look much different from the kits being offered here...

[ghosthunter]

For those who have luxury vehicles but contemplating on converting to LPG, check this site http://www.arunautogas.co.uk/autogas_lpg_conversion.htm

Like Niky posted, nothing new from what is already available locally. The main difference is the examples are just euro cars which is kinda the norm if you live in the UK and the rest of europe.

One of the reasons why we dont see as much luxury cars being converted to auto-LPG is that their owners aren't as hard hit by the fuel price increase as people who generally own non-luxury cars. You can see this from the number of full sized SUVs (expeditions, hummers, suburban, etc) which are still gasoline fed still on the road.

[1997]

Im consuming 6km/l of LPG... My daily route is 1.5km going to work and 1.5km going home... and occasional trip to Rizal about 60km back and fort.... Medjo malakas ba consumption ko? Sentra series 3 a/t yung car ko... Pag purely city driving i Get 5 km/l...

[paolorenzo]

My daily route is 1.5km going to work and 1.5km going home...

Grabe, you reach your destination with your engine barely reaching ideal temperatures. You're probably running rich most of the time.

With this small travel route, how did you justify your LPG conversion sir?

[niky]

Yup. 1.5 kms is bad. The shorter your trip... the worse your fuel economy. A friend with a City has a trip that's only 3 kms... despite absolutely no traffic, he gets an average of 8 km/l. Kung may traffic yun, he'd get less, pa.

[1997]

I use my car naman sa long Drive.. average ko kasi about 10000 to 15000 km per year... The best na nakuha ko kasi is 6km/L lang including long drive...

[wesrex315]

hi chief, some updates lng.

im currently having 5.5 - 6 km per liter LPG consumption and about 9 km per liter highway using Greenfuel's LPG SGI kit. i think this is normal for a 2.0 xtrail. is it? do i need to re-calibrate/tune up/clean sparkplugs/air filter more often?

the ride is smooth just like using gas and matipid pa. thx to this thread!!

[tediber]

i'd think that would be normal for an xtrail. I'm driving an A/T 1.6 Altis .... getting 7kms/liter city driving on LPG ..... no long trips yet.

[XOOMaster]

Like Niky posted, nothing new from what is already available locally. The main difference is the examples are just euro cars which is kinda the norm if you live in the UK and the rest of europe.

One of the reasons why we dont see as much luxury cars being converted to auto-LPG is that their owners aren't as hard hit by the fuel price increase as people who generally own non-luxury cars. You can see this from the number of full sized SUVs (expeditions, hummers, suburban, etc) which are still gasoline fed still on the road.

On the contrary one of the first of private consumers that converted their cars to LPG were owners of Explorers, Expeditions, E-150's and the likes. I think though they seem to have the dough to cash out on these gas guzzlers, their fuel consumption is killing them. LPG conversion lessened the burden for them.
In Turkey alone cars such as Cherokee Jeeps, Lincoln Navigators etc. are mostly converted. Luxary cars such as Mercedes and BMW are also converted.
Their second hand values also appreciate if the car is LPG converted rather than a normal Petrol driven car.

Pls. check www.xoomautogaz.multiply.com for some idea on conversion.

[MFB]

HI Guys,

I need help in making a decision. I just want to get the best kit, installation and after sales service. Dont we all want those? : ) Im also after a kit that I can move to another car when I eventually sell my Escape.

I've spoken with greenautogas, Ambient and Stargas regarding their kits. Tartarini and Prins both have similar high price kits. Max capacity for toroidal at 70 plus liters.

Stargas will sell me an optional customized cover to take care of my spare wheel mounting and flloor board (covering the tank) This is the one they offer at Ford Alabang where they currently install as well. They might also have other spare tire solutions for other ford models. The existing one will have to be removed due to 1 inch lift of the tank. I can opt for a smaller one to just fit it as it but I need the biggest capacity due to my transpo needs.
Ambient offered ATOY to do the customization service. I just dont have an idea how much that will cost.
Sharon of Greenautogas told me to just go to Banawe and have them do it for me. It should come out at 1500 to 2000.

Ambient and Tartarini's info on their website is well laid out. Its also easy to get reviews or commments from actual users abroad via google. I didnt get much info on Prins except that its from the Netherlands and the injectors used are from Japan. Its top of the line and expensive, that's usually what I read. So does that make the Tartarini kit overpriced at ambient? They're just less than 10,000 pesos apart with the big tank. Currently Sharon's tank is only up to 56 I think.

I just started searching on Aldessa. Is this still the kit installed by Sharon? Im concerened on boring holes on the manifold. ARe Tartarini and Prins exempt from this?

My escape is already 80000 km, just turned 5 years old last July. Its still cheaper to use it than to buy a car (due to lpg option) I just started using seaoil's e10 and am very satfisfied with the performance and savings. But LPG system will make me save more. Based on my usage, that's 1,311.47 kilometers a month.

km/l are just estimates
City driving 5.35 km/L * 56 pesos shell unleaded 13,727.59 a month
City driving 5.35 km/L * 54 pesos sea oil e10 13,237.32 a month
City driving 4.8 km/L(less 10%)*31 pesos AutoLPG 8307.37 a month
ROI for 75000 KIT (9 months)
65000 KIT (6.6 months)

Im from Libis, QC and Im nearer to Ambient and Greenautogas. Stargas is all the way down south. My wife just got a new outlander and Im making this as my service car.

[XOOMaster]

HI Guys,

I need help in making a decision. I just want to get the best kit, installation and after sales service. Dont we all want those? : ) Im also after a kit that I can move to another car when I eventually sell my Escape.

I just started searching on Aldessa. Is this still the kit installed by Sharon? Im concerened on boring holes on the manifold. ARe Tartarini and Prins exempt from this?

My escape is already 80000 km, just turned 5 years old last July. Its still cheaper to use it than to buy a car (due to lpg option) I just started using seaoil's e10 and am very satfisfied with the performance and savings. But LPG system will make me save more. Based on my usage, that's 1,311.47 kilometers a month.

km/l are just estimates
City driving 5.35 km/L * 56 pesos shell unleaded 13,727.59 a month
City driving 5.35 km/L * 54 pesos sea oil e10 13,237.32 a month
City driving 4.8 km/L(less 10%)*31 pesos AutoLPG 8307.37 a month
ROI for 75000 KIT (9 months)
65000 KIT (6.6 months)

Im from Libis, QC and Im nearer to Ambient and Greenautogas. Stargas is all the way down south. My wife just got a new outlander and Im making this as my service car.

Hi Sir,
almost all sequential kits would have to drill holes into your intake manifold. This allows the system to use its injectors to directly supply the engine with LPG. You will indeed generate bigger savings rather then using E10 on LPG.

[MFB]

Almost all? What if you want to remove the LPG kit when its time to sell the car?

[smdelfin]

Your options:
1. Bring to Speedlab for instrumented tuning.
2. Go back to Greenfuel for small adjustments.

1. Can Speedlab tune lpg carb?
I noticed puro efi ang balak magpa-tune sa Speedlab kasi.
2. When you say tune, will they tune both gas and lpg? or separate service/payment yun?
3. How much would it cost kaya for carb?

[ghosthunter]

1. Can Speedlab tune lpg carb?

yes

2. When you say tune, will they tune both gas and lpg? or separate service/payment yun?

3. How much would it cost kaya for carb?

They can do both gas and lpg. As for the price of the service, you will have to contact them on that.

[straker]

Good day sir,

Maybe you can come to my office and maybe we could talk. if a few days or months lang baka magawannatin ng paraan...

you can call me at 8959540

tnx

Did your shop did conversion jobs on a Suzuki APV? Are you offering SGI kits just now? I thought you had this long ago.

[straker]

Hi Sir,
almost all sequential kits would have to drill holes into your intake manifold. This allows the system to use its injectors to directly supply the engine with LPG. You will indeed generate bigger savings rather then using E10 on LPG.

XOOMaster, is there a chance NOT to drill at the manifold?

MFB, to your other Q, when someone bores a hole on the part of the engine, we crossed the point of no return. It's still possible to transfer the kit, but I don't like the idea of putting a cap on those holes.

Better off selling the car (with a higher price) with the kit. Who knows, there maybe newer kits in the market.

[ghosthunter]

XOOMaster, is there a chance NOT to drill at the manifold?

If you dont drill, you'll need some sort of LPG injection system to replace it. And if you look hard enough, you will end up with the "closed loop venturi mixer" kit that EROOM sells. As discussed before, such a setup will have a performance somewhere in-between a traditional venturi mixer system and a SGI system.