Alternative Fuels

[jvm13]

i really think its time for us to talk more about alternative fuels. anything about alternative fuels and the state of its development here in the philippines. we can't stay stuck on the fuels we have today because its getting too impractical to use and its not gonna be around forever.

[Belisarius]

Take your pick, for gasoline the alternative is ethanol ( a form of wood alcohol ) and CNG ( compressed natural gas - like from manure ) , for diesel, cocomethyester, or coco diesel made from coconuts. The bioexceed from seaoil is a diesel substitute, but it is still more expensive than diesel, but its renewable, ethanol is also from plants, also renewable, most of our ethanol come from Brazil, which uses 85% of it mixed with 15% gasoline. Sea oil's gasoline is all ethanol blended but only at 10% but their unleaded is at 95 octane like other premium gasoline which you have to pay extra.

[wildthing]

hydrolylized water - for H2 for gas fed engine vechicles?

[ghosthunter]

i really think its time for us to talk more about alternative fuels. anything about alternative fuels and the state of its development here in the philippines. we can't stay stuck on the fuels we have today because its getting too impractical to use and its not gonna be around forever.

LPG conversion for gasoline powered cars. There is a thread about it already.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23236

[jvm13]

LPG conversion for gasoline powered cars. There is a thread about it already.

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23236

yes,pero di ba hindi pa rin locally produced and LPG? wala bang nag coconvert to fuel that is locally produced? sorry, i dont have a lot of knowledge on alternative fuels but im very eager to use them

[ghosthunter]

yes,pero di ba hindi pa rin locally produced and LPG? wala bang nag coconvert to fuel that is locally produced? sorry, i dont have a lot of knowledge on alternative fuels but im very eager to use them

unfortunately unless you want your car to run on beer or lambanog, we don't have any sort of locally produced fuel that can be economically feasable on a widescale.

What is locally available is ethanol and bio-diesel. Both have limited production and 100% blends are much more expensive than what they replace (gasoline & diesel). Current solution is to use them mixed into the regular fuel supply, hence the 10% blended fuels we have at the moment.

[jvm13]

unfortunately unless you want your car to run on beer or lambanog, we don't have any sort of locally produced fuel that can be economically feasable on a widescale.

What is locally available is ethanol and bio-diesel. Both have limited production and 100% blends are much more expensive than what they replace (gasoline & diesel). Current solution is to use them mixed into the regular fuel supply, hence the 10% blended fuels we have at the moment.

so presently, ethanol is being mixed into gasoline? does it do any help? i read in another thread na acetone can help improve mileage. I just bought my acetone para i could try it on my car.

[Karding]

so presently, ethanol is being mixed into gasoline? does it do any help? i read in another thread na acetone can help improve mileage. I just bought my acetone para i could try it on my car.

I love threads like this.

When US started mixing Ethanol in 1997, the oil dependence should have been reduced by 100,000 barrel. However, even mixing Ethanol didnt stop the oil companies to raise their prices.

I was watching the news the other night. France[?] is looking into using their huge excess of wine to fuel cars.

Civic natural gas which can be re-charged at home has been introduced to the US public. Then, natural gas went up 50% in the West Coast region and East Coast region went up to 70%.

Diesel's price used to be lower than the lowest octance gas. But when people started buying VW diesel cars and Diesel trucks, the price of diesel surpassed the price of the highest octane gas. One way or another, oil companies will find a way to continously increase their profit year after year.

BioDiesel? Looks so promising until cooking oil companies raise their prices. Its just a matter of time, supply and demand. :hihihi:

Whatever alternative fuel we may think, price can only go higher.

[ghosthunter]

i read in another thread na acetone can help improve mileage. I just bought my acetone para i could try it on my car.

Acetone can help but results vary between cars. But from practice, acetone can only extend milage at around 5% to 15%. My personal milage increase is at 10%.

[niky]

Ethanol blends don't really run as well as full gasoline, but the upside to using an ethanol blend is that you're reducing the country's dependence on oil imports.

I vote for full-alcohol conversions! That way we can process it from sugarcane and coconuts. But this may be years away.

[ghosthunter]

Ethanol blends don't really run as well as full gasoline, but the upside to using an ethanol blend is that you're reducing the country's dependence on oil imports.

E20 ethanol blends (20% ethanol 80% gasoline) has been found to increase internal engine wear & tear.

[niky]

E20 ethanol blends (20% ethanol 80% gasoline) has been found to increase internal engine wear & tear.

Heard that it was 30% that caused probs... but I believe that 20% is just as bad. Kaya nga 10% lang yung blend ngayon? Have heard from some guys that even that little will cause some rough running.

But the point of gasoline replacements is not just the cost... it's the renewability. I'd like to build a giant bacterial vat and brew enough methane under my house to supply my own fuel needs... or blow my house into space. :lol:

There is a dump in the US that uses a giant drum filled with bacteria to quickly decompose garbage. The bacterial action is so strong that in 3 days, the internal temperature of the drum is over 100 degrees and all the bacteria are dead. The offshoot of this is lots and lots of flammable gas. :D

[jvm13]

i also think that that we should use pure ethanol or any other source of fuel that we can produce locally.

[niky]

Would be a nice conversion... but LPG now costs 470 pesos a tank! Bwiset!

[jvm13]

well isn't it possible that someday we can create alternative fuels that are made 100% from materials that can be grown from our own backyards? wouldn't that be great, hindi na tayo maaabuso ng mga controlling oil companies...

[ghosthunter]

well isn't it possible that someday we can create alternative fuels that are made 100% from materials that can be grown from our own backyards? wouldn't that be great, hindi na tayo maaabuso ng mga controlling oil companies...

nice idea but unless your "backyard" is a few hectares of farmland of soybeans, coconut trees, rice, wheat, barley (or whatever can be converted to alcohol, or diesel fuel), it will not be feasible to grow your own fuel.

[jvm13]

also, di ba there are books as well as some sites on the net that teach how to create our own fuel, both for diesel and gas engines? marami ako nakikita when i search e.

[ghosthunter]

also, di ba there are books as well as some sites on the net that teach how to create our own fuel, both for diesel and gas engines? marami ako nakikita when i search e.

as for diesel fuel, its pretty easy to make your own. All you need is some vegetable oil... used or new and a chemical. Mix them together and let it sit overnight. In the morning, you will either have diesel fuel or soap (if you have water in the container, it will turn into soap).

for gasoline, most sites would be able how to make methanol or other alcohol based fuels.

Generally the problem with these "alternatives" is the cost to produce alternative diesel/gasoline fuels will be more than the current selling price of diesel or gasoline.