toyota hilux 2.5 vnt 2012 or isuzu dmax 4x2 2012

**casper357** · October 14th, 2012 02:25 AM

anu po dito sa dalawa na to ang magandang feature, low maintenance, less issue, pangmatagalan po.
meron po kasi kaming navara benta namin kasi of high maintenance. thanks in advance.

**kidgz** · October 14th, 2012 04:12 AM

Hilux kana sir

pero kung makakaantay kayo next year

syempre DMAX

o kaya try nyo pasokin ang dalawang SECTION TOYOTA at ISUZU

may mga thread nman yang mga yan

basabasa na lang po kayo sa mga Feedback ng mga Owners of both PICK up

baka makatulong po sa inyong pagpapasya

**attaneil** · October 17th, 2012 03:57 PM

Open Suggestion pa ba sir Or naka pili na kau ng Best Pick up nyo sir..

For me sir see my Avatar.. he he he Pogi.. MT12model.

**d_mac** · October 20th, 2012 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by casper357

anu po dito sa dalawa na to ang magandang feature, low maintenance, less issue, pangmatagalan po. meron po kasi kaming navara benta namin kasi of high maintenance. thanks in advance.

High maintenance ba ang Navara "Hi-Power" sir? Gaano ka mahal ang maintenance sir?

Between the two sir at the current times, go for the Hilux 2.5 VNT.

However, if you can wait and hold on more with the Navara inspite of its high maintenance cost, as you said, wait for the Ranger 3.2 TDCi straight-penta cylinder. For me, it's better to have a bigger displacement with less reliance on boosting, unlike what is the prevailing trend now (small engine that relies much on boost from turbocharging) ....It is also better to have that extra-displacement when you need it most than you don't have it at all in time you need it.

The Ranger 3.2 should be an excellent package, it being a straight-5 cylinder (throws in the crank are relatively closely-spaced) therefore it runs smoother than any 4-inline cylinder pickups that you see in Philippines at present, among many other things. It doesn't use any balancing shafts that robs off a certain degree of power from the engine that you would normally need in an inherently imbalanced 4-inline and V6 engines, as the straight-5 engine is already balanced.

As far as i know, Volvo is the other manufacturer that makes straight-pentas these days aside from Ford. The other engine that is even smoother than the penta is the straight-6 cylinder that BMW still makes, or the V12 as it uses the straight-6 crankshaft.

Based on recent reviews of this utility pickup and on 4x4 pickup comparisons in other countries such as Australia (where it was developed by Ford Motors - for the outback settings e.g. hauling, top-towing, flood-wading, rugged handling etc, but giving you the level of comfort both on- and off-road), it's the best pickup available at any price-point.

Cheers and goodluck sa endeavour ninyo sir as a family!

**soyti75** · October 21st, 2012 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by d_mac

High maintenance ba ang Navara "Hi-Power" sir? Gaano ka mahal ang maintenance sir?

Between the two sir at the current times, go for the Hilux 2.5 VNT.

However, if you can wait and hold on more with the Navara inspite of its high maintenance cost, as you said, wait for the Ranger 3.2 TDCi straight-penta cylinder. For me, it's better to have a bigger displacement with less reliance on boosting, unlike what is the prevailing trend now (small engine that relies much on boost from turbocharging) ....It is also better to have that extra-displacement when you need it most than you don't have it at all in time you need it.

The Ranger 3.2 should be an excellent package, it being a straight-5 cylinder (throws in the crank are relatively closely-spaced) therefore it runs smoother than any 4-inline cylinder pickups that you see in Philippines at present, among many other things. It doesn't use any balancing shafts that robs off a certain degree of power from the engine that you would normally need in an inherently imbalanced 4-inline and V6 engines, as the straight-5 engine is already balanced.

As far as i know, Volvo is the other manufacturer that makes straight-pentas these days aside from Ford. The other engine that is even smoother than the penta is the straight-6 cylinder that BMW still makes, or the V12 as it uses the straight-6 crankshaft.

Based on recent reviews of this utility pickup and on 4x4 pickup comparisons in other countries such as Australia (where it was developed by Ford Motors - for the outback settings e.g. hauling, top-towing, flood-wading, rugged handling etc, but giving you the level of comfort both on- and off-road), it's the best pickup available at any price-point.

Cheers and goodluck sa endeavour ninyo sir as a family!

This is indeed very informative Mr. D Mac. Can't wait for 2013 new arrivals....it really pays off to wait..twice i got impatient that is why i did not get what i really wanted.

**jut703** · October 21st, 2012 12:56 PM

Do note that the 3.2 Ranger will probably be launched some 300,000 pesos more expensive than a Hilux 2.5 G or other equivalent pickups. It will also consume more diesel by virtue of its larger displacement and higher cylinder count.

The downside of having displacement when you need is that during the times that you just need a sedate truck, you still pay for higher fuel bills.

**soyti75** · October 21st, 2012 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by jut703

Do note that the 3.2 Ranger will probably be launched some 300,000 pesos more expensive than a Hilux 2.5 G or other equivalent pickups. It will also consume more diesel by virtue of its larger displacement and higher cylinder count.

The downside of having displacement when you need is that during the times that you just need a sedate truck, you still pay for higher fuel bills.

that is another interesting fact to consider sir.

**d_mac** · October 21st, 2012 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by jut703

Do note that the 3.2 Ranger will probably be launched some 300,000 pesos more expensive than a Hilux 2.5 G or other equivalent pickups. It will also consume more diesel by virtue of its larger displacement and higher cylinder count.

The downside of having displacement when you need is that during the times that you just need a sedate truck, you still pay for higher fuel bills.

Bigger displacement does NOT necessarily mean more fuel consumption compared to smaller dispacement engines chief.

Take note that the straight 4-cylinder engine (unlike the boxer-type 4) requires two balancing shafts that rotate twice the speed of the crankshaft to keep it running balanced.... These two shafts are robbing off power from the engine, and as such it is not as powerful as a straight-5 cylinder with equal displacement. A straight-5 is the best compromise between an inline-4 and the smooth-running straight-6 configuration. A straight 5 also can be designed from modules of the two engines straightaway. It is more fuel efficient, as there's not much friction losses from it compared to the inline-4 and V6. Ford Motors has reasons why it chose to adapt this engine for the Ranger 3.2 TDCi.

Would you think the 2.5-litre Nissan Navara YD25DDTi "Hi-Power" (174 metric-hp, 403 Nm) consumes lesser fuel than the other 3.0-and 3.2-litre CRDi's in the market, or still existing in the roads/offroads today? The Navara is actually the thirtiest and pollutes the most compared to all other pickups (see fuel mileage and carbon footprint). This is the result of a 4x4 diesel utility pickup shootout comparo in Australia in 2009. All pickups were also tested in soft sands, engaged fully in 4x4 mode. Fuel supply in Oz ranges from Euro 4 to 5 compliance.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/...orexstroke.png

Cheers!

**d_mac** · October 21st, 2012 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by casper357

anu po dito sa dalawa na to ang magandang feature, low maintenance, less issue, pangmatagalan po.
meron po kasi kaming navara benta namin kasi of high maintenance. thanks in advance.

Tama yan Casper, sinasabi mo ang TOTOO, while a lot of them conceal it like this guy below beni23 Strada

Mabuhay ka sa Casper!

Cheers!

Originally Posted by beni23

TOO LONG, DIDN'T READ

To the TS, parehas low maintenance yang dalawang yan. Better test drive it na lang kung ano magugustuhan mo.

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Tama yan beni23, hindi di mo na binasa, walang ganyan ang vaunted Strada mo hehehehe

**jut703** · October 22nd, 2012 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by d_mac

Bigger displacement does NOT necessarily mean more fuel consumption compared to smaller dispacement engines chief.

Take note that the straight 4-cylinder engine (unlike the boxer-type 4) requires two balancing shafts that rotate twice the speed of the crankshaft to keep it running balanced.... These two shafts are robbing off power from the engine, and as such it is not as powerful as a straight-5 cylinder with equal displacement. A straight-5 is the best compromise between an inline-4 and the smooth-running straight-6 configuration. A straight 5 also can be designed from modules of the two engines straightaway. It is more fuel efficient, as there's not much friction losses from it compared to the inline-4 and V6. Ford Motors has reasons why it chose to adapt this engine for the Ranger 3.2 TDCi.

Would you think the 2.5-litre Nissan Navara YD25DDTi "Hi-Power" (174 metric-hp, 403 Nm) consumes lesser fuel than the other 3.0-and 3.2-litre CRDi's in the market, or still existing in the roads/offroads today? The Navara is actually the thirtiest and pollutes the most compared to all other pickups (see fuel mileage and carbon footprint). This is the result of a 4x4 diesel utility pickup shootout comparo in Australia in 2009. All pickups were also tested in soft sands, engaged fully in 4x4 mode. Fuel supply in Oz ranges from Euro 4 to 5 compliance.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/...orexstroke.png

Cheers!

I never said this was an absolute rule. But yes, in general, higher displacements, more cylinders, and higher outputs often lead to higher fuel consumption.

You can rant all about your theoretical 5-cylinder bullcrap all you want, but I'll bet you my right kidney that the Ranger 3.2 consumes more fuel than a Hilux 2.5G, ceteris paribus.