Most Overrated

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IMHO lahat ng bagay kahit hindi kotse, overpriced sa mga walang pambili.

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[dr. d]

[QUOTE=suvfanatic;2246667]Hindi rin mga sirs. May mga mayayaman who can afford to buy anything but who think any car beyond 1 million is expensive and over price na.

at that price, i expect the item to have a bathroom already.
at 2 million, i expect it to have a balcony..
heh heh.

[Starex_Gold]

Hindi rin mga sirs. May mga mayayaman who can afford to buy anything but who think any car beyond 1 million is expensive and over price na. Case in point my former boss who drives an entry level altis. He says he doesn't need to validate himself with expensive cars when his purpose lang naman is to get from point a to point b. Pero may yate. Hehe. Anyway if you don't find the sta fe overrated, good for you. Let's just agree to disagree.

Kanya kanya kasing hilig din yan. Kung point a to point b lang din ang habol ko sa kotse, kahit yung Celerio namin aba ok nang pang araw araw.

Kaso hindi. Kung pwede lang gamitin araw araw yung A6 S-Line araw araw eh ginawa ko na. Malakas lang sa gas medyo impractical. Pero hindi over rated.

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[dct]

Hindi rin mga sirs. May mga mayayaman who can afford to buy anything but who think any car beyond 1 million is expensive and over price na. Case in point my former boss who drives an entry level altis. He says he doesn't need to validate himself with expensive cars when his purpose lang naman is to get from point a to point b. Pero may yate. Hehe. Anyway if you don't find the sta fe overrated, good for you. Let's just agree to disagree.

kanya kanyang requirements yan e. may taong bibili na gusto ay para may panggamit lang from point A to point B. meron taong gusto more than that.

[jaymd]

actually wala naman "overpriced" talaga. depends on the manufacturer/distributor really if he wants to put a premium (image/price) sa mga kotse nila marketing strategy din yan. mas mahal kotse ko kaya mas maganda. mas bihira sa daan etc etc. dati hyundai used to sell their cars na mas mura sa japs. ngayon parehas or in the case of the sta fe mas mahal pa. ok din naman yun. kaya mas bihira na din sta fe compared sa last model. isip ko mas mahal talaga din naman kasi mas mahal gumawa ng kotse sa korea vs sa thai built rivals nya. pero pag value for money iba na labanan nun hehe sa japanese na ako

[Lapella]

Only the Alterra and the Everest have leaf-springs.

The Alterra is too long and low for off-roading. The Everest is great off-road, but currently, 4x2 nalang ang stock. While it does have a standard LSD, there's no low-range and the rear anti-roll bar limits wheel travel, meaning you can get a wheel stuck in the air when you run out of articulation. The water-fording abilities are good, though... don't recall what the specs are, but I'd wager it's not much less than the current Ranger.

Of the Fort/MS/TB... I'd put my money on the Fort, but the Trailblazer has more ride height and apparently better approach and descent angles than the Fort. It's got more low-down punch than the D4D, and it doesn't have the uneven power delivery of the Mitsu.

Hi Niky. I think both the MS and TB pulls their max torque at 2000 rpm. While the Fort's max torque is available at 1600-2800 rpm.

The low end torque is much needed in city driving while the MS and TB gets the advantage on the highways.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[niky]

Hi Niky. I think both the MS and TB pulls their max torque at 2000 rpm. While the Fort's max torque is available at 1600-2800 rpm.

The low end torque is much needed in city driving while the MS and TB gets the advantage on the highways.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

On paper, yes.

But as we've seen during road tests and on the dyno, there's a big difference between quoted power specs and actual, and how that translates to real world performance.

One of the issues with the Mitsubishi 2.5 is turbo lag and surge. The transition between no boost and lotsa-big-boost is very abrupt... which isn't great for crawling off-road. The Traiblazer has similar power specs, but it's smoother in how it makes power, and feels better off-idle because of the extra displacement.

I miss the Ford 3.0. That was basically torque, torque, torque. Want to rock crawl? Let it idle you up the mountain... Want to burn tires? Just shove both pedals to the floor and wait for the engine to overpower the rear brakes.

[Lapella]

On paper, yes.

But as we've seen during road tests and on the dyno, there's a big difference between quoted power specs and actual, and how that translates to real world performance.

One of the issues with the Mitsubishi 2.5 is turbo lag and surge. The transition between no boost and lotsa-big-boost is very abrupt... which isn't great for crawling off-road. The Traiblazer has similar power specs, but it's smoother in how it makes power, and feels better off-idle because of the extra displacement.

I miss the Ford 3.0. That was basically torque, torque, torque. Want to rock crawl? Let it idle you up the mountain... Want to burn tires? Just shove both pedals to the floor and wait for the engine to overpower the rear brakes.

I'm a diesel engine fan if not for the high maintenance cost haha. Anyway, just curious because of the three, the Fort has the anemic engine compared to the TB and Monty. Would like to hear your points as to why you're willing to put your million peso investment on the Fort. Thanks

[SiRbossR]

^He said ForD not ForT.

[dr. d]

[QUOTE=Lapella;2246893]I'm a diesel engine fan if not for the high maintenance cost haha.

beg pardon, but what costs are those?
i have an 8 year old diesel, and the engine does not seem to be asking for maintenance moneys... no sparking plugs, no hi tensions, no nothing...
and whatever extra costs in oil and filters, is more than made up for in fuel savings..

[Lapella]

^He said ForD not ForT.

He said his money will go to Fort.

Here it is:

Of the Fort/MS/TB... I'd put my money on the Fort, but the Trailblazer has more ride height and apparently better approach and descent angles than the For

[Lapella]

[QUOTE=dr. d;2246923]

I'm a diesel engine fan if not for the high maintenance cost haha.

beg pardon, but what costs are those?
i have an 8 year old diesel, and the engine does not seem to be asking for maintenance moneys... no sparking plugs, no hi tensions, no nothing...
and whatever extra costs in oil and filters, is more than made up for in fuel savings..

Hi Sir good to know you are in tip top shape with your diesel rig. No first hand experience from me just reading from this forum that Diesel engine is costly to maintain specially the turbo charged variants.

[koji kabuto]

[quote=Lapella;2246945]

Hi Sir good to know you are in tip top shape with your diesel rig. No first hand experience from me just reading from this forum that Diesel engine is costly to maintain specially the turbo charged variants.

Higher maintenance cost because diesel engines requires a change oil more frequent than petrol. Every 5,000 kms for diesel whereas 7,500 - 10,000 for petrol. Some manufacturers require you to use full synthetic oils.

But if I will be stuck in traffic most of the time, I prefer to use diesel engines. Thats is where I find it more economical.

[Thumbdrive]

[quote=koji kabuto;2246959]

Higher maintenance cost because diesel engines requires a change oil more frequent than petrol. Every 5,000 kms for diesel whereas 7,500 - 10,000 for petrol. Some manufacturers require you to use full synthetic oils.

But if I will be stuck in traffic most of the time, I prefer to use diesel engines. Thats is where I find it more economical.

Diesel Engines can also go up to 10T Kms OCI with the latest FS oils coupled with a high quality oil filters out there. Imo, it's still the higher cost of spare parts that makes Diesel rigs higher or costlier to maintain, but then again it all depends on the usage and parts availability.

[d_mac]

I'm a diesel engine fan if not for the high maintenance cost haha.

Diesel Engines can also go up to 10T Kms OCI with the latest FS oils coupled with a high quality oil filters out there. Imo, it's still the higher cost of spare parts that makes Diesel rigs higher or costlier to maintain, but then again it all depends on the usage and parts availability.

If i were living in a 1st world country, e.g, say, US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, except Germany as an example, i will be forced to own a gasoline/ petrol-fed car. Diesel fuel cost a bit more per unit of measurement than gasoline, apart from higher road tax imposed by these government for them. Plus some countries, like in the US, no matter how fuel efficient and low in carbon foot print they produce per km, in relation to gasoline ones, the US requires diesel particulate filters in them that aggravates the power output of the diesel, hence it ends up also consuming more fuel than when it's not mated with it....

They the diesels are maintained every 10,000 km in these countries, whilst the gasoline-fed are recommended most of the time every 15,000 km, but that is if you frequently use the gasoline fed car frequently, else, it is safer to have it maintained every 10,000 km only....

If i live in lesser countries - the 3rd world or developing, i'd rather drive diesel fed cars. They are cheaper in terms of running cost when combining their fuel efficiency per kilometre and cost of diesel. i use fully synthetic oil and i change it every 8,500 km to account for standby or idle time in traffic....

....But that's just me.

[niky]

He said his money will go to Fort.

Here it is:

Of the Fort/MS/TB... I'd put my money on the Fort, but the Trailblazer has more ride height and apparently better approach and descent angles than the For

This is if I had to pick one of those three to take off-road. But I have not seen how the Trailblazer does off-road, yet. It might be better. It might not.

The Fort's stiffer suspension gives it better control over rough terrain than the Monty... and it doesn't have the same aggressive anti-sway bars as the current Everest to limit wheel articulation (which doesn't really matter much, as the Everest is now exclusively 4x2... no off-road variant anymore). The power delivery is smooth and even, and the 3.0 has good grunt.

Of course, if I were picking a completely stock weapon to go off-road, I would not pick a big seven-seater at all. I would choose to go in a Jimny. The light weight makes it a better weapon for dealing with soft ground and muddy terrain, and it's easier to thread down the typically narrow off-road trails we have here than bigger trucks. All that's needed is a little lift and a snorkel for water crossing. Everything else is primed for off-road... front solid axle, the alternator and compressor are perched high up on the engine to keep them from getting muddy, and the articulation is pretty good for a stock car.

[d_mac]

This is if I had to pick one of those three to take off-road. But I have not seen how the Trailblazer does off-road, yet. It might be better. It might not.

The Fort's stiffer suspension gives it better control over rough terrain than the Monty... and it doesn't have the same aggressive anti-sway bars as the current Everest to limit wheel articulation (which doesn't really matter much, as the Everest is now exclusively 4x2... no off-road variant anymore). The power delivery is smooth and even, and the 3.0 has good grunt.

Of course, if I were picking a completely stock weapon to go off-road, I would not pick a big seven-seater at all. I would choose to go in a Jimny. The light weight makes it a better weapon for dealing with soft ground and muddy terrain, and it's easier to thread down the typically narrow off-road trails we have here than bigger trucks. All that's needed is a little lift and a snorkel for water crossing. Everything else is primed for off-road... front solid axle, the alternator and compressor are perched high up on the engine to keep them from getting muddy, and the articulation is pretty good for a stock car.

Sir idol kong tunay Niky, tama ka idol sa absolute advantage of wheel articulation in tight spots.

Whilst maganda ang Jimny and primed for offroad even in stock trim, i will choose the other one in the Suzuki line-up - any of the Grand Vitara 4WD variants still available as brand-new and 2nd hand or used units. The hang-up we have in Philippines is the 2.4 VVTi Vitara that comes only in 2WD and A/T only tsk tsk tsk, thus it loses its applicability in real offroad scene to the Jimny.

In other countries, there are a lot of choices, namely:

1.9 DDiS (Renault diesel engine, 130 hp with peak 300 Nm at 2000 rpm)
2.4 VVT (166 hp with 225 Nm peak)
2.7 V6 MFi (Mazda-Suzuki engine, 185 hp peak 250 Nm torque)
3.2 V6 VVT (Chevrolet engine, 233 hp with peak 291 Nm)

While the Jimny has a slight advantage in articulation/ cornering on tight trails over the Grand Vitara 5-door model, but not against the 3-door, the Grand Vitara has more power and pulling-force and it looks so much better hehe.... Both run in timing chain & gear that is also self-adjusting.








Nai-fofold pa fully mga seats....


Just a sample of the previous Grand Vitara body design 1.9 DDiS, 2.4 VVT, 2.7 V6 MFi (the latter was replaced by the 3.2 V6 VVT), superior climbing prowess and the inherent advantage of its short wheel base in tight and abrupt climb where there is no room for a rolling momentum at the get-go, high-entry angle, short distances of the wheels relative to the front and back bumpers etc against any long wheel base vehicle, like a pickup....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zy_zG6Jof0]NISSAN NAVARA-GRAND VITARA - YouTube[/ame]

Cheers sir! ;)

[niky]

I wish. I still like the Jimny's narrower body, but there's no denying the Vitara is a more comfy way to go deep off-road.

[cpsolt]

i wish there would be a long wheel base (a pickup or a 5 door) jimny version kasi as it is, pang big boy offroading toy lang sya.

[d_mac]

I wish. I still like the Jimny's narrower body, but there's no denying the Vitara is a more comfy way to go deep off-road.

Sir Niky, sana nga meron man lang GV sa atin na ganito ang stock set up - natural 4WD manual-transmission (Neutral, 4H, 4H lock, 4L lock) whether 1.9 DDiS diesel or 3.2 V6 gasoline since wala ng 2.7 V6 na brand new.

....At sana maka-testing ka sir sa offroad ;)

2.7 dash in right-hand steering (yung nga lang pang-kaliwete ang kambiyo, at puros pakanan sa mga roundabouts ang pangit tignan! ahihi )
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2.7 engine by Mazda-Suzuki
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2.7 exterior
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3.2 engine by Chevrolet


3.2 exterior



....Tingin ko lang sir Niky makakalimutan mo si Jimny natin sa Pinas, although alam ko itong Jimny pa rin gusto mo sir haha!

Cheers sir Niky!


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