Mazda Cx-9 AWD 2022 vs Ford Explorer 2.3 EB 4WD 2022 Comparo

[hardwang]

Track records are a perfectly valid way to judge a company's products, but you are pretending that it just "resets" with the lauch of a new model.

That's actually what it is. With a new transmission, there is a possibility of it being fixed or new problems would arise. Yes, it "resets" as to that aspect. In short, it is unknown, you can only theorize with track records and brand perception etc.

[Walter]

I don't think the transmission issues of previous models is a valid reason not to buy the new one. The link you posted sa consumer reports, pwede pa maging reason. Different engine and transmissions, different problems.

It's like telling people not to buy a new Toyota Altis that has a newly designed engine just because the old one had sludge issues.

Huh? ... Really? ... No wonder Marcos won ...

[hardwang]

Huh? ... Really? ... No wonder Marcos won ...

Aaaand there we go... someone's going to eventually insert politics sooner or later

[viper888]

Using previous reputation is debatable

We had a gen 1 expedition a long time ago, it was reliable, repair costs were reasonable, and the only expensive failure was the air suspension. I enjoyed learning how to drive in this and using it to college

Then we got an explorer, not nearly as bulletproof as the previous one with many suspension parts needing to be replaced before 100k kms. Its still reliable but it feels like its meant to wear out faster. It has a weird issue now where the sparkplug holes get flooded by water and it loses a bit of power and a turbo related engine light is triggered. It gets double the mileage that the previous ford. I never gelled with it since the visibility is pretty sht and it feels wider

Will we get another big Ford SUV? maybe but were also considering getting a CX9. Though an X3 is also an option since my dad no longer needs a big car


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[hardwang]

Using previous reputation is debatable

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Not only that but totally inaccurate and illogical especially if we all know the new one uses different parts. Hell, there are even instances where car manufacturers uses the same parts but slightly tweaks it in order to fix a previous problem.

I think the better and more logical approach would be to cross reference the other models in Ford's line-up that already uses the same 10 speed transmission. It was released for quite some time already and there were reports of issues of the said transmission in other models.

[uls]

di mo naman masisi ang tao coz people trust brands

that's the whole point in branding

a company has a history of making good products in-house, they earn the public's trust

later on the company outsources production and put their logo on the products

trust remains coz that's the power of branding

[dr. d]

Using previous reputation is debatable

that may be,
but how many car buyers make an honest-to-good research on their prospective car, before buying?

also,
it is difficult to make such research, when one's prospect is a new model.

bottomline,
"brand reputation, or notoriety, still works".

[yapoy86]

Kakagulat nga that chinese car brands gaining traction when we all know their crappy past.. chery, geely, foton..

Ang kaso ford issues medyo sunod sunod lalo na sa transmission.. me have a bad experience dyan sa ecosport.. and one of my colleague too.. fiesta naman..

[uls]

uphill climb ang china

they have to make better products to change people's view that their products are crap

looks like it's working

mga japanese and american brands naman they already have brand power so they don't need to work as hard

their brand names do much of the heavy lifting

[hardwang]

that may be,
but how many car buyers make an honest-to-good research on their prospective car, before buying?.

How many doesn't? Madali na lang mag research ngayon, hindi naman tayo nasa 80s 90s 2000s na may lack of info. Marunong na mga tao ngayon. Haven't you noticed lots of reviewers sa youtube popping up these days?

[dr. d]

How many doesn't?

beg pardon, but

i don't.
i make only a superficial appraisal.
and i consider myself more knowledgeable than many, if not the majority.

tsikot.com members do not make the majority of car buyers.

[hardwang]

beg pardon, but

i don't.
i make only a superficial appraisal.
and i consider myself more knowledgeable than many, if not the majority.

tsikot.com members do not make the majority of car buyers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thi...tatistics/amp/


Look at hundreds thousand views of local car youtube videos. With all due respect sir, have you talked to younger car buyers lately?

[viper888]

A lot of people do research for the cars that theyre buying, but sometimes they can be blinded by a good deal, such it is with the Chinese Cars.

I was surprised why there were so many MG ZS on the road now until I checked the price, it starts at 818K. Same price as an Avanza and 600k cheaper than a Corolla Cross. Even if the company has no local reputation, people will still gamble on the good deal it offers. Of course people here would rather buy a Toyota or Honda, even a Ford rather than a Chinese car.

What Ford does is pack in more features than their rivals at a similar price. Mazda is in the same boat actually.

Ford has such a hit or miss reputation in this country. Still leagues ahead of Chevrolet's mostly miss reputation.

[numbah5]

Hmmm, the Ranger Raptor has tranny issues. It uses the same 10 speed automatic transmission that the current generation Explorer also uses. Parang mahirap yata to recommend the Explorer unless you are a die hard Ford fan.

Heck, I don't even recommend Ford now. Naka 2 strikes na sila sa amin ng family ko.

Even the Territory which is Ford PH's best seller now has its own set of issues, mostly electrical related, with some tranny issues as well.

I'll not recommend getting the Prado now since lalabas na yung all new model next year.

Sa requirements ni Gumusut_Amige, parang hirap magbigay ng recommendation if budget niya is max 3M, unless you're willing to increase your budget to 3.8M and get the all new Hyundai Palisade (Hyundai Philippines is already selling it but quietly lang).

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[viper888]

CX9 is still an option at 3M

Only real con is that its a bit dated

[Walter]

Hyundai Palisade has it's own smell issue ...

[bxr monkey]

Parang okay din tigngan ang Sta Fe at Sorento.
Upgrade sa space at comfort compared sa Fortuner Q.

[dr. d]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thi...tatistics/amp/


Look at hundreds thousand views of local car youtube videos. With all due respect sir, have you talked to younger car buyers lately?

a local car industry figure was asked, in his opinion, what makes the filipino car buyer a unique animal. he mentioned the ff:
1. budget (but not exclusive to filipinos).
2. deciding without benefit of test drive.
3. word of mouth influence (again, not unique to filipinos).
4. too trusting of what we read.

in another local online, it was listed the top three factors among filipino buyers of new cars:
1. reputation for quality (the brand!).
2. stylish appearance.
3. previous ownership experience (again, the brand!).

[Sweetlucious]

The thing with Mazda is I cant tell which is which.

Lahat ng crossovers nila magkahawig.

[dr. d]

The thing with Mazda is I cant tell which is which.

Lahat ng crossovers nila magkahawig.

not only mazdas.
the other brands also, are beginning to look like not only each other, but the competition as well.