Mazda Cx-9 AWD 2022 vs Ford Explorer 2.3 EB 4WD 2022 Comparo

[dr. d]

Transmission issues are common problems with Ford Explorers ... even Ford Rangers had similar issues ... we cannot assume that these owners have neglected their vehicles ... if there are indeed owners like these, then we should be hearing transmission issues with other brands and there should be more problems with Toyotas since they have almost 50% of PH market ...

i wonder,
do the issues involve electronics,
or do they involve the hard metal?

[shadow]

You’ll be surprised how many car owners don’t maintain their transmission.

What’s so special about explorer’s transmission that it’s supposedly a common issue?




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[hardwang]

Transmission issues are common problems with Ford Explorers ... even Ford Rangers had similar issues ... we cannot assume that these owners have neglected their vehicles ... if there are indeed owners like these, then we should be hearing transmission issues with other brands and there should be more problems with Toyotas since they have almost 50% of PH market ...

I have a friend who has an automatic Wigo that can't reverse. The entire transmission had to be replaced under warranty.

I am a member of fb groups such as ford club ph, ford ranger and ford focus club, ford focus mk3.5. Bihira lang may problema sa automatic transmissions. Usually yung DCT talaga nila problematic.

[shadow]

Probably the latter. Unlike CVTs, repairable naman ang automatic transmission ng ford. Maybe he didn't want the hassle of going back and forth if the local transmission repair was f'd up, so he just bought a new assembly instead.

Bakit “sumabog”? Naubusan ng fluid?


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[Egan101]

The new Explorer already uses the 10-spd AT tranny. Not sure if there are reported issues or recalls with the new one. For sure mayrun concerns with the older 6-spd since it was replaced right away.


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[Egan101]

Bakit “sumabog”? Naubusan ng fluid?


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Mayrun ba talaga cases like that? Catastrophic failure?

Marami ako naririnig about cases about trannies needing a reflash of its electronic system.


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[gongrhey]

The PTU fluid (transmission fluid) of the above mentioned unit has to be replaced every 30k miles. Maybe that was not done. That's the recommendation. Another thing to watch out for is the water pump issue that starts to fail around 120k miles. I follow the ford explorer subreddit forum to gain more knowledge. I have a 2017 3.5 NA and I am mindful of the above issues. Most cars naman have their own issues either small or big issue.

[shadow]

Mayrun ba talaga cases like that? Catastrophic failure?

Marami ako naririnig about cases about trannies needing a reflash of its electronic system.


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I don’t know. Parang impossible kasi na sumabog tranny


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[Ry_Tower]

I don’t know. Parang impossible kasi na sumabog tranny


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Yup, grinding lang mangyayari dyan sa mga gears sa loob at magiging maingay before shutting down.

[ale828]

a Realtive had an Explorer with had a transmission problem. Previous model thou not the newer one.
Tama it was a grinding sound sa transmission but the car was still able to run but parang limp mode.
malaki rin nagastos to fix, pero it was done outside CASA and the unit was out of warranty.

We also had a few Fords before.
an Expedition and an old Explorer sport trac both had transmission problems.
Thou wala naman transmission problem yung iba. steering wheel problem yung isa.

[Sweetlucious]

We used to own an explorer sport trac also.

Problem is with rear suspension, ford ph wanting to replaced the whole assemby, when in fact may individual part nos. naman yun mga parts.

With regards naman sa FB groups, was a member Ford Ranger FB, those people cant be trusted. They discouraged posting problems kasi babagsak daw resale value ng car.

[Dr.Kamiya]

"sabog tranny."
does that mean, the gears are physically wrecked,
or does that mean, "we don't know what's wrong with it, so let's just replace the whole assembly" ?

Gears physically wrecked. Driving in traffic shaw underpass 20kmh then strong clunk and driveline completely locked up.

Ford wanted close to 500k to repair, which I guess means replacing the whole transmission.

I don't think maintenance would have been an issue. It was a fairly new car like 2016 ata, and low mileage below 40k kms.

That's not the same model of explorer in this topic though.

One bitten, twice shy. =)

Also I posted this a few pages back, just going to link again:

The 2021 Ford Explorer Has a 1% Reliability Score on Consumer Reports

"Consumer Reports takes its assessments very seriously. So for it to publish any vehicle with such a low score is undoubtedly alarming. That’s especially true considering how Consumer Reports vastly favored most Ford SUVs over Chevy models."

2021 Ford Explorer Reliability - Consumer Reports

Kakalabas pa lang 5 recalls na kaagad.



Problem spots reported by owners:

[hardwang]

One bitten, twice shy. =)

I don't think the transmission issues of previous models is a valid reason not to buy the new one. The link you posted sa consumer reports, pwede pa maging reason. Different engine and transmissions, different problems.

It's like telling people not to buy a new Toyota Altis that has a newly designed engine just because the old one had sludge issues.

[Dr.Kamiya]

I don't think the transmission issues of previous models is a valid reason not to buy the new one. The link you posted sa consumer reports, pwede pa maging reason. Different engine and transmissions, different problems.

It's like telling people not to buy a new Toyota Altis that has a newly designed engine just because the old one had sludge issues.

Why wouldn't it be valid? It counts as previous track record for Ford, and when it comes to buying a big-ticket item like a car I believe it's always better to err on the side of caution.

The onus is on Ford to show that the past problems have been fixed, not on the consumer to automatically forgive them because this is an all-new model.

[hardwang]

Why wouldn't it be valid?

Because its a different transmission. Simple as that.

I personally wouldn't buy the Explorer because its pretty ugly now to be honest and yes multiple reports have been made as to its problems. Also not a big fan of SUVs in general.

But to put the sins of the past models to the new models that isn't even using the same parts is just unfair.

[hardwang]

It counts as previous track record for Ford, and when it comes to buying a big-ticket item like a car I believe it's always better to err on the side of caution.

The onus is on Ford to show that the past problems have been fixed, not on the consumer to automatically forgive them because this is an all-new model.

That's why you research first and exercise due diligence before buying a car.

[Dr.Kamiya]

That's why you research first and exercise due diligence before buying a car.

These sort of reliability problems usually don't show up immediately, so if you were shopping last year there would have been nothing to go on.


Going by track record, the research says don't buy Ford.

Ford Fiesta engine and tranny issues. Ford Focus powershift DCT issues. Ford Ecosport DCT issues. Previous-gen Ford Explorer tranny issues. Ford Ranger Raptor tranny issues.

IMO it's perfectly fair to make a snap judgement on the new Explorer based on the previous model's unreliability -- after all many people bought the previous gen Explorer, because the Sport Trac era Explorers were pretty solid (I had one too).



Toyota's reputation wasn't built in a single model year, and in my opinion Ford will have to execute for a couple of consecutive generations before I go around recommending the Explorer again.

Because its a different transmission. Simple as that.

I personally wouldn't buy the Explorer because its pretty ugly now to be honest and yes multiple reports have been made as to its problems. Also not a big fan of SUVs in general.

But to put the sins of the past models to the new models that isn't even using the same parts is just unfair.

It's the same company making the new transmission. Simple as that.

Until it proves itself reliable I am well within my rights to judge it by its predecessor's record.

[hardwang]

You do know that there are situations where different models of the same brand have different reliability ratings right? I mean you cited consumer reports, I'm assuming you know these things.

Until it proves itself reliable I am well within my rights to judge it by its predecessor's record.

For the record, what are your vehicles now?

[Dr.Kamiya]

You do know that there are situations where different models of the same brand have different reliability ratings right?

Let me break this down:

You are saying that it is UNFAIR, for a would-be customer to be cautious about buying a new Ford Explorer because it is "new", nevermind that Ford has had a terrible reliability record for at least four previous models, including the direct predecessor of the car.

Track records are a perfectly valid way to judge a company's products, but you are pretending that it just "resets" with the lauch of a new model. When and if that customer is stuck with a huge repair bill, I'll point them right back to your quote.

For the record, what are your vehicles now?

Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi Pajero, LC200, Ford Everest (getting rid of it since the electrics are starting to go bad)

Previously owned: Explorer Sport Trac (solid truck), Escape (all sorts of electrical issues when it got old -- sometimes it wont start at all: no cranking, but mysteriously starts again if you try again in a few minutes. BCM problems, etc)

[Egan101]

Para sa mga ardent Toyota followers, best substitute for the Explorer is the Prado 4.0L V6. You just have to pay 600k+ more.


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