manual or automatic

[jonski]

pag alam kung sandali lang at aandar na yung line, half clutch then gas yung gitna ba para hindi umandar at hindi rin umatras...

pero halimbawa kapag mga 1minute na nakahinto? last time kasi umusok na yung clutch nung clutch gamit ko.

[alwayz_yummy]

real men drive manual... heheh

+1

But better men drive the auto.. eheh

basta dryber, swit lover

-manong dryber ng dyip....

[Si 06]

Depends on the ride

[rayban7g]

kung performance car, manual...

...pero kung daily-god-damn-city-traffic-driven (or rekatahan h-way) matic na choice ko. pagod na kaliwang hinta't paa ko!

[pup2]

matic. nakakapagod kasi pag traffic pero kaya ko pa drive ng manual.


Tips naman sa mga manual drivers gagawin..halimbawa uphill yung daan tapos medyo traffic...ano ginagawa nyo pag nakahinto sa uphill sasakyan? brake ba tinatapakan nyo or clutch? tips naman.

Clutch? Kung matarik ang uphill eh di aatras yun? Kung gas/clutch mix naman ang problem nun pag natagalan ka, baka masunog clutch mo. Tsaka mas nakakapagod sa paa yun.

My suggestion, kung mukhang sandali lang (1 minute), brake na lang. Otherwise, I use the handbrake. Tapos pag aandar na, I mix the gas and clutch then let down the handbrake pag naramdaman ko na ang slight forward movement from the gas/clutch mix.

I thought this is what everyone does since it has worked so well for me for decades!

[pup2]

A manual always provides more precise control compared to ATs, as you are in complete control of how much of the engine's power makes it to the ground, and at what torque-multiplying ratio it is applied (i.e.: what gear).

Most common automatics experience hesitation and indecision in picking gears. Either they wait an additional half-second to confirm that, yes, you want more power, or they drop down a gear even when you don't need it, at the slightest sign of an incline. Also, they get flummoxed in many dynamic sitautions, like cornering, and rummage around for the right gear. If they pick one that's too low, say good-bye to the racing line and hello, curb.

Common ATs here refer to torque-converter jobs... trannies which suffer the additional indignity of having to drag a big torque converter through the slush we all call transmission fluid. At high HP levels, this drag becomes inconsequential, but for small engines, it's a big handicap.

CVTs provide smoother function, but their logic function is also as limited. The additional control provided by semi-automatic functions help alleviate some of this, but then, the computer almost always errs on the side of safety, giving you less control.

SMG and DSG are the best ATs around, but then, they're not true ATs, they're robotised manuals.

Sabi ko na nga ba eh. Hindi ko lang sure at hindi ka alam kung bakit. Salamat, btw. +1 (whatever +1 means).

Dati kasi yung driver namin na naka-auto nasagasaan yung legs ng dog namin. Madilim kasi kaya inuunti-unti niya pero it was much faster than what I could've done on a manual. Ayun, napilay tuloy yung dog -- mabuti nabuhay.

[Jun aka Pekto]

At high HP levels, this drag becomes inconsequential, but for small engines, it's a big handicap.

That's why I don't mind A/T for the bigger-V6 engined cars. As an example, our 06 Sonata's 3.3L V6 is better mated for its A/T. Plus, it has a shiftronic to compensate even more. Our A/T 95 Contour with a smaller 2.5L V6 does exactly what niky said, searching wildly for the proper gear and sometimes not finding it. I wouldn't take it mountain driving.

[NazQ]

pero halimbawa kapag mga 1minute na nakahinto? last time kasi umusok na yung clutch nung clutch gamit ko.

1 minute? antagal nun. brake / neutral lang dapat.. kahit hanging, sabayan na lang ng handbrake pag mejo ginipit ka ng vehicle sa likod para di umatras..

[bajumbo]

real men drive manual... heheh

+1

But better men drive the auto.. eheh

basta dryber, swit lover

-manong dryber ng dyip....

But Menyeks will love A/T with Very dark tint in heavy traffic eheheheh

[alwayz_yummy]

i know, ung former delica ko a/t yun, see my liteace on my sig?? a/t din yan..

but the trend going on nowadays, most high end cars/variant have only a/t option--> hiace super grandia, innova V, fortuner V, civic FD-2.0SL, mazda 6, mazda 2.0r, focus hatch, starex club, xtrail, grand vitara v6, APV glx, altis 1.8G, rav4, murano, etc.....

ang manual tranny kalimitan sa low-end lang. di lang yan dito sa atin, alost everywhere ganyan na ang trend.

kaya mostly kung gusto mo ng top-end model, matic agad, manual sa basic models...some countries pa nga, may additional kung m/t kunin mo,e...

[bajumbo]

You guys should pester Honda for a test drive even if you dont intend to buy one to see what I mean. Better yet, ask a friend who has one to lend it to you. I guarantee that this CVT will amaze you.

Better pester Honda, I will NEVER lend my friend the car.... Mamatay na lang sila sa inggit. Best of Both worlds nga eh.... byebye clutch...

[niky]

I agree with Niky 99% on this except the part of the CVT giving you less control.

I've owned and driven manuals for many years (matanda na yata ako) and currently also have a 1.3 vios manual. Thru the years I've been lucky to sample many flavors of automatics from toyotas (Prado and old gen camry) to benz (I miss my AMG E50) to honda (Civic and Accord) and mitsu (Pajero gen 2.5, Turbo 2.0 Eclipse, VR Galant 2.5) .Ive also extensively used the 'manu-matics' or steptronics in the BMW E46 325, X3 , 530d and the Pajero 3rd gen.

But, and I emphasize the word 'but' .... nothing I have driven or currently drive (even my 530d's 6-speed steptronic) can compare to the CVT of the Honda Jazz. It has 6 modes of operation and when you choose the 7-speed mode in Sport or Normal trim it gives you TOTAL control. You can hold the gear in the redline for as long as you want. If you're on a 70kmh curve and wanna keep it in 2nd all the way? No problem (and hear that nice aural vtec sound while you are at it). Stuck in traffic behind some guy you're racing and you can see the road opening up ahead soon and want to 'hold' it in 1st gear to keep the rev's high? No problem --- this is where the Jazz would kick the butt of a Swift and a Yaris automatic... they'd be on 2nd gear (the ECU would put it there to save gas) and would have to take time to kickdown when the road opens up while you are already at max torque / hp curve of your engine hehehehe.

The CVT of the Honda Jazz owns! It shifts instantly and yes I mean instantly when you press the button--- absolutely no 2nd guessing you at all (unlike many steptronics which think for about a second to shift or sometimes dont even shift at all). It holds gears when you want to, has 6 modes so you can choose whatever you want whatever the situation. The only time it will not shift is if you want to downshift and the engine would've exceeded the redline parameters. Makes you drive like a king and protects you from destroying your engine at the same time. I love it! In fact, I thought the manual mode of the BMW 530d was absolute garbage compared to it. Really.

You guys should pester Honda for a test drive even if you dont intend to buy one to see what I mean. Better yet, ask a friend who has one to lend it to you. I guarantee that this CVT will amaze you.

Oh and about the manual... I drove the Vios to work the other day. Sakit ng paa ko. Kawawa pa sapatos ko. No chance to relax at all in traffic along Edsa.

Oops. What I meant to say was less control than a manual.

Yes, I've driven the CVT Jazz (and loved every minute of it), and yes, it gives you a lot of control that you don't get with an AT. It'll give you the same or better acceleration than a manual much of the time, but personally, it's still more of a filter between you and the road than a standard manual... it's not quite there for sports drivers, not yet. It smoothens out the torque a little too much, hurting outright pace (versus a manual)... that's if you're a good driver (I wish I was... ). For 99% of the time, the CVT gives you enough control... then you drive the new Civic's manual variant, and you're reminded how sweet a good stick can be. Can't wait till they put the six-speed stick (yes, six!) from the CR-V onto the Civic.

But then, I've noted this with Honda's 5-speed AT on the Civic, too. Honda's semi-auto programming is less of an annoying nanny than most, and I highly recommend either the Civic 2.0 SL or the Jazz 1.5 CVT to local speed freaks who can't live with a stick yet still want to swap cogs by themselves.

Me? Give me a stick, anytime. When DSG becomes affordable on small cars, then I'll switch...

[alwayz_yummy]

alam ko BMW lang nagoofer ng DSG....

how about those used in F1/WRC, semi-autos ba yun, how about ung "clutchless-manuals"

[niky]

BMW's semi-auto tranny is SMG.

It's a clutch-type transmission with a robot doing the clutchwork for you. (Forgive me for any errors, this is from dim memory).

DSG is Volkswagen-Audi's take. It's a robotic tranny that uses two clutches, with gears on two separate assemblies. You're in second gear, for example, and the other assembly, which has first and third, is free-wheeling. Select third and the other assembly engages while the first disengages. Theoretically, there is no limit to how fast this can shift. It's almost as efficient as a manual, it'll hold more power than Honda's CVTs, and it's still lighter than the heavier duty mechanical CVTs and torque-converter based stuff.

[alwayz_yummy]

hehehe, ako din nagkamali, pareho kasing may "MG",e....

[pup2]

Oops. What I meant to say was less control than a manual.

Yes, I've driven the CVT Jazz (and loved every minute of it), and yes, it gives you a lot of control that you don't get with an AT. It'll give you the same or better acceleration than a manual much of the time, but personally, it's still more of a filter between you and the road than a standard manual... it's not quite there for sports drivers, not yet. It smoothens out the torque a little too much, hurting outright pace (versus a manual)... that's if you're a good driver (I wish I was... ). For 99% of the time, the CVT gives you enough control... then you drive the new Civic's manual variant, and you're reminded how sweet a good stick can be. Can't wait till they put the six-speed stick (yes, six!) from the CR-V onto the Civic.

But then, I've noted this with Honda's 5-speed AT on the Civic, too. Honda's semi-auto programming is less of an annoying nanny than most, and I highly recommend either the Civic 2.0 SL or the Jazz 1.5 CVT to local speed freaks who can't live with a stick yet still want to swap cogs by themselves.

Me? Give me a stick, anytime. When DSG becomes affordable on small cars, then I'll switch...

6? I don't get why they keep adding gears when I was perfectly happy with 4 gears before -- faster acceleration and less shifting in city driving. Sure maybe more gears can give better performance and efficiency in highway driving, but we have much fewer highways here. And the highway roads in the provinces have trikes and kuliglig's and sugarcane trucks you have to slow down for!

Baka conspiracy yan para ipa-shift lahat ng mundo sa at para mas malaki benta ng oil companies ah!

[Engr_DMaX]

for local units, get d matic
for surplus units, get d manual

[FullThrottle]

For me, if you want to be practical go for the M/T... most of the time M/T cars cost less than their A/T counterparts and are usually cheaper to maintain...

Pero ang pinaka bonus ng M/T is mas masarap pang harurot...

[Alpha_One]

6? I don't get why they keep adding gears when I was perfectly happy with 4 gears before -- faster acceleration and less shifting in city driving. Sure maybe more gears can give better performance and efficiency in highway driving, but we have much fewer highways here. And the highway roads in the provinces have trikes and kuliglig's and sugarcane trucks you have to slow down for!

Baka conspiracy yan para ipa-shift lahat ng mundo sa at para mas malaki benta ng oil companies ah!

Huh? Number of gears don't have much to do with fuel consumption... heck, it can be argued that 5-speeds accelerate better and consume less fuel than 4-speeds (at the cost of extra work for the driver)!

If car manufacturers wanted oil companies to sell more, they could just detune engines or make clutches slip all the time. No diesel engines or locking torque converters and all that stuff. If that was the idea, well, 5-speed trannies would just cost... way too much.

[DFast&DFurious]

IMO since you're planning to buy a second-hand car, the manual would be a more cost-effective choice since it would probably be cheaper in terms of maintenance compared to the matic.