local spacegear or starex???

**Horsepower** · August 8th, 2006 03:23 AM

yes, the thoughtful features in their car will make you ask why other manufacturers didn't think of the same.

**nugundam93** · August 8th, 2006 03:35 AM

i've seen a lot of starex units that are prone to rusting.

lalo na the early ones, mabilis nagkalawang.

**rion** · August 8th, 2006 07:12 AM

never tried Starex but I think it has more styling compared to a SpaceGear. Starex na lang, alagaan mo nalang ng mabuti...

as for bratski's thoughts about Spacegear being underpowered sometimes. in my experience in 4D56 and 4M40 turbo spacegears. I never had any problems with power. the engines are good enough for spacegears. it's not bad as Pajeros with 4d56 or 4m40 TD's. fewtimes, the cause of thinking of being underpowered is because some vehicles have loosen throttle cables...

**alwayz_yummy** · August 8th, 2006 07:19 AM

moncouque frame ang spacegear, pajero ata is not....kaya masmagaan ng konti ang spacegear compared sa pajero...

**ronald_m** · August 8th, 2006 08:12 AM

They put the fire extinguisher because they know that their engine is subpar and may cause overheating and may lead to engine fire.Btw my friend had millenium edition.

**nugundam93** · August 8th, 2006 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by alwayz_yummy

moncouque frame ang spacegear, pajero ata is not....kaya masmagaan ng konti ang spacegear compared sa pajero...

true. body-on-ladder frame ang 2nd gen pajero eh. 3rd gen yung monocoque.

**alwayz_yummy** · August 8th, 2006 09:44 AM

kaya, parang underpowered na sa 2nd gen paje ang 4m40/4d56t, e sa delica starwagon ko noon or sa magiging (sana) spacegear ko in the future, parang adequate / sobra...

pero sa jap specs, iba nag HP rating for 4m40 installed sa spacegear sa 4m40 ng pajero..masmalakas ang 4m40 ng pajero: 120(spacegear) vs. 140(paje)

i think ginagamit dito ung 120hp spec, kaya parang hirap.

**vinj** · August 8th, 2006 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by ronald_m

They put the fire extinguisher because they know that their engine is subpar and may cause overheating and may lead to engine fire.Btw my friend had millenium edition.

Strange thing though... that's exactly the same engine platform (4D56) as in the Space Gear, Pajero, L300, L200, Hyundai Grace and i don't see any of these cars burning up on the road. I also don't know of any or see any connection between engine overheating leading to engine fires... Please get your facts straight dude.

If i'm wrong then do correct me constructively.

I've experienced overheating on a Starex once under the following condition:
- Full load (8 pax + luggage)
- midday May summer heat (no wind whatsoever)
- steep 4-5km mountain road climb
- hard driving with the a/c off (i kept the a/t on 1st and drove at near redline all the way up and turned off the a/c compressor as a matter of habit when i drive the car hard)
The temp went up to well over half so i pulled over.. when i assessed the situation, i found out the aux fans only work with the a/c compressor functioning so the low speed climb and high RPMs heated up the engine and tranny oil... upon turning on the a/c and aux fans the temp went down and we went on with no other problem.

The 1997-1998 models had rust in the fenders as a common problem due to the foam insulation they had inside it if i recall it correctly... this has been cured on the latter models as well.

**OTEP** · August 8th, 2006 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by ronald_m

They put the fire extinguisher because they know that their engine is subpar and may cause overheating and may lead to engine fire.Btw my friend had millenium edition.

As I've posted before, SK laws require a fire extinguisher in the class of vehicles the Starex is in. Some manufacturers (e.g. Kia, Ssangyong), however, do not include them in markets where no such legislation exists.

Hmmm...so Euro Benzes are prone to fires also since they have fire equipment as standard?

A First Aid Kit is standard on Benzes, too. Maybe the owners are prone to injuring themselves while driving their Benzes?

There is also sa spare tire along with a jack, tools and EWD. German cars with subpar tires prone to flats?

My rig has fire equipment, medical equipment, recovery gear, etc. Holy crap, I'm the master of disaster!

**Bogeyman** · August 8th, 2006 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by ronald_m

They put the fire extinguisher because they know that their engine is subpar...

Eh? For all you know, it could just be an isolated incident. Baka inaalat lang yung friend mo.

How can you single out the Starex engine as being 'subpar', based on a single incident? Unless idol mo si Gene Orejana...

Originally Posted by ronald_m

...and may cause overheating and may lead to engine fire.

You said it yourself, the operative word is "may". Meaning, the risk is there, but it's not an absolute certainty, kaya huwag mag-conclude agad na bulok yung makina. Besides, all internal combustion engines have the potential to overheat given the right conditions. Kaya nga meron tayong tinatawag na "radiator" at "coolant" eh.

**basti08** · August 8th, 2006 08:00 PM

OT lang. yan ang OK sa 4D56 ng Starex. you can use Mitsubishi parts....but i heard na hindi naman talaga 4D56 ang engine code ng Starex 2.5L but you can ask for 4D56 parts and specify that you'll put in a Starex.

btw, i really love the 4D56 engine and the parts sharing is really true, my adventure currently has a fuel filter (for Starex) and a crankshaft from a Pajero.

**Bogeyman** · August 8th, 2006 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by basti08

but i heard na hindi naman talaga 4D56 ang engine code ng Starex 2.5L

Malamang, since exclusive yata yung engine code designation sa Mitsubishi eh.

**OTEP** · August 9th, 2006 08:59 AM

DB44 ata ang code nun? Just not sure. But it is a licensed version of the 4d56.

**ronald_m** · August 10th, 2006 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by OTEP

As I've posted before, SK laws require a fire extinguisher in the class of vehicles the Starex is in. Some manufacturers (e.g. Kia, Ssangyong), however, do not include them in markets where no such legislation exists.

Hmmm...so Euro Benzes are prone to fires also since they have fire equipment as standard?

A First Aid Kit is standard on Benzes, too. Maybe the owners are prone to injuring themselves while driving their Benzes?

There is also sa spare tire along with a jack, tools and EWD. German cars with subpar tires prone to flats?

My rig has fire equipment, medical equipment, recovery gear, etc. Holy crap, I'm the master of disaster!

I'm not worthy.

**rion** · August 13th, 2006 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by rion

as for bratski's thoughts about Spacegear being underpowered sometimes. in my experience in 4D56 and 4M40 turbo spacegears. I never had any problems with power. the engines are good enough for spacegears. it's not bad as Pajeros with 4d56 or 4m40 TD's. fewtimes, the cause of thinking of being underpowered is because some vehicles have loosen throttle cables...

Originally Posted by bratski

The starex being a larger version than the spacegear can be underpowered sometimes.

eekkk... mali pala yung pagka-intindi ko kay bratski

Originally Posted by alwayz_yummy

kayasa delica starwagon ko noon or sa magiging (sana) spacegear ko in the future, parang adequate / sobra...

Oo nga, some subic spacegears I driven, I really think their power is too much...

and thats what one of our customers said so recently, comparing to his Eagle and Passenger Jeep...

on the other hand... someone posted that his starex is strong too, because even without using boost, the power is still enough... and no doubt for me... mas maganda yung itsura ng Starex.

**alwayz_yummy** · August 13th, 2006 09:23 PM

nakapagdecide na ba?

hayy...sana magka-extrang pera me..para may 4wd jdm spacegear na me...manual kukunin ko!practicality...

so chamonix/jasper/exceed2 lang options ko, di na super/royal exceed

**drey** · August 15th, 2006 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by ronald_m

Starex sucks big time(korean made) A friend of mine in manila had a starex turbo diesel he had a problem on the way to baguio, When he was at pampanga he felt that their was no power(torque) and when he pulled over and checked the engine their was smoke all over the place.They found out that they had 2 pistons rod broken(they rebuilt the engine).AFIK starex are known for overheating.

Hehehe... I remembered ISUZU!!! I thought that D-max or Fuego was gonna blow! Its pretty horribbblleeeee!

**mad_max168** · October 19th, 2006 08:25 PM

I think the best answer to the question is...

Manual Transmission or Automatic Transmission? Coz, if A/T, only Starex has that option unlike the Local Spacegear. Sometimes, you'd think that Mitsubishi Philippines don't wanna sell their cars/vans here in the Philippines... Just think about the it, the local spacegear does not have a front cupholder unlike those Subic spacegears. Also, the front passenger seat is not even reclinable unlike again on the Subic ones and the Starex. The aircon control on the local spacegear is manual obsolete sliding type unlike the fully digital controlled ones on the Subic. 4D56 Turbo only on the local unlike the Intercooled ones from Subic.

Parang sabi ng Mitsubishi Philippines.... BUMILI NALANG KAYO SA SUBIC OR MAG STAREX NALANG KAYO!!! To add to this insult... the local spacegear came out with A/T tranny but on a gas guzzler engine and still with the non-reclining front passenger seat!!! Parang sinasabi nila "WAG NA KAYO BUMILI NG LOCAL SPACEGEAR!!!"

**OTEP** · October 19th, 2006 11:13 PM

Keeping the L300 tradition alive (non-reclining front seat). hehehe.

Ironically, the A/T of the Starex is also manufactured by Aisin. The same guys that manufacture A/T's for Mitsubishi.

**rodge** · January 26th, 2007 12:56 AM

how much is a 2nd hand starex crdi edition? interest in buyin one kse

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