HELP! suzuki swift, honda jazz or toyota vios?

[marcons]

Consider that a Honda....

- Uses gasoline
- Needs a driver to run
- Has a steering wheel, gauges, airconditioning, a sound system
- Requires regular maintenance
- Needs to change its tires periodically
- Gets wet when it rains

no need to post this, even a 5 year old kid knows this... :obvious:

[marcons]

isang tagay sayo .. kahit naka toyota ako...

thanks to you xmb!...

yan ang dapat, lagi tayong cool, diba?... we are just here to help nicci anyway...

[marcons]

btw, regarding the exploded civic and ignited cr-v, the hell i care! problema na ng owner at insurance yun, diba?...

asked for a critique? why do you need to have it? may awards na nga, hihingi ka pa ng critique? if you're craving for a critique TRY TO READ TOP GEAR MAGAZINE OCTOBER 2008 ISSUE, nandun ang reviews HONDA JAZZ and SUZUKI SWIFT. para naman hindi mo nasabi na ako lang ang ng praise ng honda... i didn't praise honda to high heaven, i praised honda above high heaven... :angel3:

why won't you reply like: "choose the vios because it's a toyota, buy a swift because it's a suzuki"... it's not a big deal for me. hindi kasi ako insecure na tao... :cool2:

[teeyoh]

vios pwedeng pantaxi...
swift cute siya...
honda resale value pwedeng pambenta

[Bogeyman]

why won't you reply like: "choose the vios because it's a toyota, buy a swift because it's a suzuki"...

Because things have different meanings to different people.

The first things that Honda brings to my mind are overrated cars, expensive maintenance and lousy after-sales service, so obviously the phrase "because it's a Honda" won't be a very good sales pitch to me. To you, a Honda will certainly mean the exact opposite.

For some people, the phrase "because it's a Suzuki" will mean that it's underrated; for others, it will mean that it doesn't sell as many cars as other brands, therefore parts will be a problem.

For some people, the phrase "because it's a Mitsubishi" will mean superb engineering backed by a glorious rally heritage; for others, it will mean various little problems that even numerous trips to the casa can't fix.

Would it actually kill a Honda fanboy to be a little more elaborate in his statement, instead of stubbornly asserting that his favorite car brand doesn't have to explain itself at all, just because? It's arrogant, it's stupid, and it hardly helps in making other people understand what exactly does it mean to own a Honda.

[marcons]

"Because things have different meanings to different people." - yeah, this is true. honda is good for me and not to others. so?

in the first place, i didn't ask for your reaction and i totally didn't need your reaction. why did you react on my statement which was not addressed to you? i was just helping nicci to decide. it was just my suggestion and in the end, nicci still has the final decision on which car she choose.

so what if honda is overrated in the minds of the people? it's not my problem anymore. if it's hard for you to accept the fact that people overrated honda, then make a move and educate them that honda should not be overrated. it seems like you're very much concerned with honda, if you want, you can campaign on not to overrate honda, anyway. i don't care if praising honda doesn't sound well on you, this is a forum.

"For some people, the phrase "because it's a Suzuki" will mean that it's underrated; for others, it will mean that it doesn't sell as many cars as other brands, therefore parts will be a problem. "

honestly, i won't mind what others think. i'm not fond of gossips.

"For some people, the phrase "because it's a Mitsubishi" will mean superb engineering backed by a glorious rally heritage; for others, it will mean various little problems that even numerous trips to the casa can't fix."

casa is not the only shop which can fix your car problems nor the best shop to fix your car.

why are you so concerned on what other people think? aktibista ka ba?

btw, did you read the title of the thread? nicci needs help. nicci doesn't need reactions, she needs suggestions.

[xmb]

.. maganda neto punta ka both dealer toyota and honda tapos sakyan mo i feel mo kung ano kaya maganda para sayo .. kunin mo ang sa gusto mo... wag ka padadala sa sinasabi ng tao dito.. gawin mo lang batayan mga suggesetion dito... kung ano urge ng sarili mo dun ka! walang makakapigil sayo! ... closed niyo na to!

[marcons]

*xmb - meron kasing iba diyan na kahit hindi ka naninira sa ibang brands, ikaw pa ang sira-an. nagsuggest nga lang ako kay nicci, meron pang nag rereact at hindi talaga nakatulong kay nicci yung mga reactions. parang hindi mga professionals. why not suggest their favorite brands, diba? haaay, ang mga tao talaga...

anyway, a lot of people in the business world have the attitude of making negative comments/feed backs on it's competitors and this is against on business ethics. the right thing to do is talk honestly on the products you're selling rather than making your competitors' products worse.

i hope all of us have this on mind:"i'll mind my favorite brand and please mind your favorite brand."

*nicci - pasenxa ka na, sobrang OT na talaga kami dito and i'm acting bad. sorry for it, i was just suggesting in the first place. as what xmb said, better test drive the cars that is in your list.

MARCONS OUT . . .

[xmb]

... marcons .. stop na you cannot please everybody kasi naman may kanya kanya tayong pag iisip at ugali..
.... inputs lang naman hinihingi kaya dapat sabhin lang ang dapat wa na kung anu ano pa..
.... peace po sa lahat ... lapit na christmas...

[[archie]]

Would it actually kill a Honda fanboy to be a little more elaborate in his statement, instead of stubbornly asserting that his favorite car brand doesn't have to explain itself at all, just because? It's arrogant, it's stupid, and it hardly helps in making other people understand what exactly does it mean to own a Honda.

hey hey hey, stop right there homeboy! are you trying to say something?

im a honda fan and i do those comments. try saying that to my face!

[swordsman]

o tama na po... nangyayari, nagreact si ano sa reaction ni ano, kasi nagreact sa react sa reaction ni... hayyy. hindi man reaction post, may patutsada pa rin. kaya na-clo-close mga thread minsan, nagiging personalan. sumbong ko kayo sa mods, sige kayo :kick:

Para hindi naman ako OT: Honda Jazz po pipiliin ko, with the Swift a close 2nd.

Bago na kasi yong Jazz with lots of improvement over the previous model. And have better fuel consumption. Though the Swift looks a bit better(in my opinion), pero medyo old design na kasi sya and not that spacious. A possible plus is the 2-year free PMS. Kaya slight margin lang lamang ng Honda, for me. I never considered the Vios, parang ayaw ko lang talaga itsura nya, ganun din ang (current) Honda City.

A test drive of both vehicle on the same day would help you a lot to decide - now that you've read some(okay, a lot) of bad raps against Honda, Toyota, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Benz, Ferrari.. hehehe.

[marcons]

oo nga xmb, ang dami ko pa namang aasikasuhin, mga regalo sa inaanak. btw, speaking of christmas, yung binili ko na ferarri keyholders, yun ang ireregalo ko sa mga boys na inaanak ko at pamangkin, ok diba?... OT na talaga tayo...

*archie123456789 - buti pa, linisin na lang natin yung mga honda cars natin. everyday kasi umuulan dito sa amin.

[Bogeyman]

Honda Jazz po pipiliin ko, with the Swift a close 2nd.

Bago na kasi yong Jazz with lots of improvement over the previous model. And have better fuel consumption. Though the Swift looks a bit better(in my opinion), pero medyo old design na kasi sya and not that spacious. A possible plus is the 2-year free PMS. Kaya slight margin lang lamang ng Honda, for me.

This is what I was looking for. A brief explanation of what the Jazz has to offer (though you forgot to mention the ULT seats). Ultimately, it's up to the prospective owner to decide which is the dealbreaker: the Swift's 2-year free PMS, or the Jazz's interior flexibility and fuel efficiency. Honestly, was it really that hard in the first place?

When people make car comparo threads like these, they need to make educated decisions based on what's good and bad, nothing else. Hindi biro ang gumastos ngayon para sa isang sasakyan, which is why they deserve all the information they can get before they take the plunge.

I never considered the Vios, parang ayaw ko lang talaga itsura nya, ganun din ang (current) Honda City.

Personally I prefer the sporty looks of the Gen1 Vios; the current model looks too sedate and laid-back. And about the Honda City, I've come across comments na mukha daw plantsa. Ewan, I actually find it looks cute. At least it's not as bad looking as the Rodius.

[niky]

btw, did you read the title of the thread? nicci needs help. nicci doesn't need reactions, she needs suggestions.

And like Bogeyman says, she needs informed suggestions. Not just the "ah, basta, Hondah!" suggestion, kind, but well-thought out and justified ones.

The previous generation Honda Jazz had some minor issues. Rattles, trim integrity and the CVTF recall. The new Jazz doesn't have a CVT, so durability of the drivetrain should be good. Honda's new engines are peppy and fuel efficient, and their 5-speed automatics are much better than the 4-speed ATs in the Yaris/Vios and the Swift. Reliability is unknown at this point, but since the engines are based on the current ones, it's bound to be good. The big problem with the Jazz... in fact, with all modern Hondas... is seating comfort. The seats have better shape and ergonomics than the old Jazz (particularly the rear bench... which used to be awful) but they're still very hard foam. If you can get optional leather seats, this should help cure that problem.

The new Vios doesn't look half-bad... it has about as much room now as the City and the old Jazz (the new Jazz is bigger). But interior materials feel a cut below. Build quality is poor, and very unimpressive compared to the old Vios. Poor trim might be an issue after a few years, but that remains to be seen. Engines are peppy, and despite the ancient 4-speed ATs, relatively fuel efficient. The engines should be robust... I haven't heard of Vios's suffering from the sludge problem that affects the Corolla... but with the shorter oil changes in the Philippines, it shouldn't be a problem. Steering and handling are not as good as the Swift or the Jazz. In fact, the current Vios is much less sporty than the old one. At least it's much more comfortable.

The Swift is an unknown. Not enough owners to build up a good picture of potential reliability, but in general, Suzuki doesn't suffer the same bugbears as other small Japanese manufacturers like Isuzu. The Swift has the best feeling steering and the most lively handling of the bunch. It's exciting to drive (especially in manual form) and the interior quality is pretty good compared to the other two, great front seats, great ergonomics, spiffy cabin. Only reason I wouldn't consider it is because it has absolutely no rear seat or cargo space. Good as a second car.

Service at Honda is expensive, but not categorically worse than anyone else. Also, because they use long oil-change intervals, you're going to the casa less than otherwise. Service quality, though... it's spotty, but it depends on the dealership. I don't know which dealerships are best, but I know that Alabang has its fair share of booboos (My cousin once brought his CR-V home with someone else's aftermarket tire on! They only found out when the other owner complained... ).

Service at Toyota... also very casa dependent... some good, some bad, some crappy enough for death threats to be bandied about.

Service at Suzuki, unknown... but 2 years free PMS? Man... for me (I drive 20k kms a year) that's 10-20,000 pesos worth of savings.

Resale value, generally, goes in favor of the Jazz... but the Swift isn't all too bad, in this regard... it's rare and desirable, so it should fetch a good price, secondhand. The Vios generally doesn't have the same resale value as the Jazz (here's where the "taxi" thing comes into play), but it's still good. The differences after five years, though, won't be worth compalining about.

Personally... I'd go for the Jazz... but if you're the adventurous type, you might want to try the Swift (which is still a real head-turner). The Vios makes a good office runabout, but is about as exciting as a corduroy couch.

[marcons]

* nicci- kumusta? nakabili ka na ba ng bagong kotse?...

buti ka pa hindi ngrereact dito kahit ikaw ang may K na mgreact, yung parang sila ang may-ari ng tsikot.com, dapat daw ganito ang isagot, blah! blah! blah!...

[Bogeyman]

she needs informed suggestions. Not just the "ah, basta, Hondah!" suggestion, kind, but well-thought out and justified ones.

Prospective buyers are already exposed to enough marketing strategy and sloganeering BS from car dealerships. We shouldn't be giving them more of the same, if we really want to help them decide which car to spend their hard-earned money on.

Hindi naman sagot ng mga fanboys yan pag nagka-problema yung oto eh, so the least they could do is to give straight and honest answers on the car/s they own. Otherwise...

I'm a firm believer in the old saying: When it comes to (automotive) love, 'H' doesn't matter. :lol:

buti ka pa hindi ngrereact dito kahit ikaw ang may K na mgreact, yung parang sila ang may-ari ng tsikot.com, dapat daw ganito ang isagot, blah! blah! blah!...

Like I said,

It's arrogant, it's stupid, and it hardly helps...

[tsupermario]

i like the jazz does that help? :D

popularity contest na ba

[[archie]]

if you want to comment on the post of people, there is always the polite and civil way... just ask, why do you say so? or simply "why"?

but if your comment is bashing the brand that welcomes flame bait... now thats ARROGANT AND STUPID!

if bashing is your point, dont hide under your username...

[Bogeyman]

i like the jazz does that help? :D

Definitely. :D

if you want to comment on the post of people, there is always the polite and civil way... just ask, why do you say so? or simply "why"?

It *has* been asked, at least twice on this thread. But the rest of us have yet to get any realistic, let alone decent answers from the fanboys. All we were shown was bunch of awards that weren't even given out here, but in Malaysia.

USDM CR-Vs bursting into flames is no small matter, especially since there were at least 27 instances of it. Yes, it's still our concern, because Honda over there has denied that it was a design flaw, and refused to recall them, which was the basis of the class action suit. Now, if it happened in the US where consumer protectionism is very much a big deal, what more in the Philippines?

Besides, bashing isn't the point. What I said goes for every other fanboy who rabidly promotes his own brand [Toyota, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Chery , etc.] without enlightening everyone else on why he thinks it's the best.

I've driven a Honda City Type Z, I've ridden in a Gen2 CR-V, 2 6th Gen Civics and a 7th Gen Civic. The Civic is hella fast, even in LXi form, but all in all, I don't feel like there's anything missing in my life for NOT owning a Honda. I've actually felt more prestige riding in an Astra wagon.

So much for the "Because it's a Honda" tag.

[badbadtz.carlo]

*Nicci... nakabili ka na ba auto? fill us in..

if nde pa, i was able to try the new Jazz when my friend test drove it before buying his blue unit. nice ride, comfy and medio mas malaki room compared to the old one.

I don't like nor recommend the Vios. I agree, it's not that bad looking, esp if black siya and bagong wax but the interior is really not you would expect. My office mate drives a 1.5 and still he ain't that happy.

I have yet to sit down in a Swift, pero i find it really cute, especially of gel may dala plus based on the posts, with 2 years FREE PMS? san ka pa?
this is my personal bet. why? it's rare in the streets, it's small, kaya madali maningit and magpark, plus the 2years free PMS is the final nail in the coffin... closed deal na for me.

hope this helps.. again, fill us in if ano napagdecide-an mo.


as for the car comparisons, i really don't care that much.. basta ako, Nissan Sentra pa ren! Malamig aircon namen, and if nasiraan or coding, marami sa daan na pede parahin, and same ride to opis, gimik or back home

hehehe