HELP! suzuki swift, honda jazz or toyota vios?

[marcons]

so much? and who do you think you are of telling us to stop claiming? do you own this forum/site? it seems like you're telling us to follow your rules on what is the proper way of posting here. we didn't ask you on how you feel about honda. problema mo na yun kung worst sayo ang honda at wala akong pake kung mas prestige sayo ang astra and even if you have driven all models of honda cars and motorcycles. i don't mind other's business kasi, unless someone will mind my business.

Hindi naman sagot ng mga fanboys yan pag nagka-problema yung oto eh, so the least they could do is to give straight and honest answers on the car/s they own. Otherwise...

sino namang gagong fanboy ang sasagot sa problema ng oto ng iba?...

"It *has* been asked, at least twice on this thread. But the rest of us have yet to get any realistic, let alone decent answers from the fanboys. All we were shown was bunch of awards that weren't even given out here, but in Malaysia. "

"USDM CR-Vs bursting into flames is no small matter, especially since there were at least 27 instances of it. Yes, it's still our concern, because Honda over there has denied that it was a design flaw, and refused to recall them, which was the basis of the class action suit. Now, if it happened in the US where consumer protectionism is very much a big deal, what more in the Philippines?"

sayo nga US, sa akin Malaysia din... all said here was bunch of flaming CRV's that weren't from the same factory of the CRV units here, but in the US..

for me, get the jazz because it's a HONDA...

ok to, my tcash is increasing... hahahaha...

[Bogeyman]

And the question remains:

What's so special about a Honda?

It's just an innocent question, the same one that any would-be car owner might ask when faced with the prospect of either a Honda or any other brand.

Here's your chance to brag about what a Honda has to offer, what it does best versus other car brands great and small. A casa agent would only be too happy to enumerate the answers, but he has an ulterior motive -- more sales. So it makes more sense to talk to those who already own a Honda, people who ideally want nothing else but to share their experiences and insights so that others might learn a thing or two.

Come on, we're all waiting.

Alas, they refuse to take the opportunity. It’s either they themselves don’t yet understand what they've gotten into, or because there really is nothing there.

[tidus1203]

I definitely don't agree with the notion of buying a car simply of the brand. We have to weight all the pros and cons and focus more in the objectives first and foremost. While subjectives have weight in decision making, I think it has to first pass the objective test. Once it passes that and you wanna say you want the Honda because of its "NO TAXI POLICY" and thus in your opinion increases resale value and image then go for it.

[niky]

for me, get the jazz because it's a HONDA...

Which still doesn't answer the question. Get the Jazz because... what? It's a Honda? Get the Avanza because it's a Toyota? (Even though it's a Daihatsu?) Get the Isuzu Trooper 4JX1... because it's a Honda! (It's sold as a Honda in Japan...)... never mind the small matter of engine issues... but don't get the Isuzu Crosswind because it's a Chevrolet (in India)... never mind that the Crosswind engine is indestructible...

So... buy it because it's a Honda? Why? What is a Honda? A Japanese-made car? The Jazz isn't made in Japan.

Is Honda service the best there is? (It's about average)

I'm not a Honda-hater, mind you. I think Honda makes the most brilliant gasoline engines in the world. I think the Honda EK Civic was one of the sweetest handling compact cars ever made. I hold Honda manual transmissions as the golden standard in transmission smoothness.

But the Honda name does not excuse the fact that their old automatics were crap for reliability, that the gen.2 CR-V understeered like a stuck-pig and rode like a box of nails (we own a gen.3, mind you, which is much better) and oh... had fuel consumption to match an Expedition.

So... what makes Honda special? That's all Bogeyman is asking.

You can, of course, answer... since it's a Honda designed by Honda engineers, the Jazz has excellent crash safety, a very large interior and terrific engines and good handling.

Not so hard, right?

[Bogeyman]

So... what makes Honda special? That's all Bogeyman is asking.

Me and about a quarter of the forum population.

[marcons]

ok lang kayo? do you want me to answer all your questions and requests? hell no! kulang pa yata ang characters kung sasagot ako...

Me and about a quarter of the forum population.

did you make surveys?..

did i say that honda is special?...

"get the jazz because it's a HONDA"... the answer is for you to find out...

Which still doesn't answer the question. Get the Jazz because... what? It's a Honda? Get the Avanza because it's a Toyota? (Even though it's a Daihatsu?) Get the Isuzu Trooper 4JX1... because it's a Honda! (It's sold as a Honda in Japan...)... never mind the small matter of engine issues... but don't get the Isuzu Crosswind because it's a Chevrolet (in India)... never mind that the Crosswind engine is indestructible...

So... buy it because it's a Honda? Why? What is a Honda? A Japanese-made car? The Jazz isn't made in Japan.

Is Honda service the best there is? (It's about average)

I'm not a Honda-hater, mind you. I think Honda makes the most brilliant gasoline engines in the world. I think the Honda EK Civic was one of the sweetest handling compact cars ever made. I hold Honda manual transmissions as the golden standard in transmission smoothness.

But the Honda name does not excuse the fact that their old automatics were crap for reliability, that the gen.2 CR-V understeered like a stuck-pig and rode like a box of nails (we own a gen.3, mind you, which is much better) and oh... had fuel consumption to match an Expedition.

So... what makes Honda special? That's all Bogeyman is asking.

You can, of course, answer... since it's a Honda designed by Honda engineers, the Jazz has excellent crash safety, a very large interior and terrific engines and good handling.

Not so hard, right?

did i say that honda is special? i'm sure i didn't...

did i say that jazz is made in japan?... and i know that gen2 crv is a gas guzzler because i'm driving it for 6 years already... to tell you how guzzler it is, i can already buy a new car just for the gas expenses for the past 6 years... i don't care even if you owned all the gens of honda cars...

I definitely don't agree with the notion of buying a car simply of the brand. We have to weight all the pros and cons and focus more in the objectives first and foremost. While subjectives have weight in decision making, I think it has to first pass the objective test. Once it passes that and you wanna say you want the Honda because of its "NO TAXI POLICY" and thus in your opinion increases resale value and image then go for it.

well, i didn't ask you if you agree or not.

[Bogeyman]

"get the jazz because it's a HONDA"... the answer is for you to find out...

The TS (or anyone) will not appreciate this sort of answer. How would she know if buying a Honda was worth her money? After she starts having problems with it, problems that the casa will refuse to honor under warranty, problems that the fanboys will blame on her and her alone for not having enough "faith" in the Honda name? Such an elitist attitude has no place here.

"Get a Jazz because it's a HONDA". It implies that you know something about a Honda that we don't, therefore that makes it special.

Probably the only big deal about a Honda so far is, it apparently removes your ability to articulate yourself properly. Kawawa naman yung Honda mo, hindi mo na maipagtanggol nang maayos. It probably deserves a more responsible and a more knowledgeable owner.

well, i didn't ask you if you agree or not.

And that's no way to talk to a fellow Honda owner who's only talking sense, which is more than I can say for you.

[marcons]

And the question remains:

What's so special about a Honda?

It's just an innocent question, the same one that any would-be car owner might ask when faced with the prospect of either a Honda or any other brand.

Here's your chance to brag about what a Honda has to offer, what it does best versus other car brands great and small. A casa agent would only be too happy to enumerate the answers, but he has an ulterior motive -- more sales. So it makes more sense to talk to those who already own a Honda, people who ideally want nothing else but to share their experiences and insights so that others might learn a thing or two.

Come on, we're all waiting.

Alas, they refuse to take the opportunity. It’s either they themselves don’t yet understand what they've gotten into, or because there really is nothing there.

sorry i won't brag because i'm not boastful...

did i ask you all to comment on my posts?

[red01]

Got a 2009 Jazz two weeks ago. Very fuel efficient and easy to drive. Yes, Nicky you're right, seats are not that comfortable for long drives. Mas okay pa yata seats ng Hyundai i10.

We also have a Vios and it's alright but it's not fun to drive like the jazz. Pero fuel efficient din.

Why not Yaris?

You can't go wrong with Honda and Toyota, it's just a matter of what you need and preference.

[marcons]

The TS (or anyone) will not appreciate this sort of answer. How would she know if buying a Honda was worth her money? After she starts having problems with it, problems that the casa will refuse to honor under warranty, problems that the fanboys will blame on her and her alone for not having enough faith in the Honda name?

"Get a Jazz because it's a HONDA". It implies that you know something about a Honda that we don't, so that makes it special.

Probably the only big deal about a Honda so far is, it apparently removes your ability to articulate yourself properly.



And that's no way to talk to a fellow Honda owner.

i'll let her know if she wants to...

and also, treating my posts badly is no way to treat a fellow tsikoter...

if you won't appreciate then why won't you just leave my posts, hindi ka naman ang thread starter diba?...

i'll get out of this thread... it's getting worst...:car:

[Bogeyman]

if you won't appreciate then why won't you just leave my posts....

Because your refusal to answer the question reflects on you, your fellow Honda owners, and your favored brand as a whole. There has to be more to a Honda than just the name, otherwise hindi naman siya sisikat, 'di ba?

You don't want Honda owners to be labeled as mindless zombies who just believe every sales pitch that the dealer throws at them, incapable of critical and independent thought, do you?

i'll get out of this thread... it's getting worst...

Feel free to come back once you come up with the answer to the question. We'll be waiting.

[[archie]]

It *has* been asked, at least twice on this thread. But the rest of us have yet to get any realistic, let alone decent answers from the fanboys. All we were shown was bunch of awards that weren't even given out here, but in Malaysia.

USDM CR-Vs bursting into flames is no small matter, especially since there were at least 27 instances of it. Yes, it's still our concern, because Honda over there has denied that it was a design flaw, and refused to recall them, which was the basis of the class action suit. Now, if it happened in the US where consumer protectionism is very much a big deal, what more in the Philippines?

Besides, bashing isn't the point. What I said goes for every other fanboy who rabidly promotes his own brand [Toyota, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Chery , etc.] without enlightening everyone else on why he thinks it's the best.

I've driven a Honda City Type Z, I've ridden in a Gen2 CR-V, 2 6th Gen Civics and a 7th Gen Civic. The Civic is hella fast, even in LXi form, but all in all, I don't feel like there's anything missing in my life for NOT owning a Honda. I've actually felt more prestige riding in an Astra wagon.

So much for the "Because it's a Honda" tag.

its not that honda fans are saying that you "lose" something just because you dont own a honda. its our perception that honda is simply reliable. but you might ask, so as toyota? well it boils down to the taste and preference of the user.

for honda fans like me, we had and have experienced the honda factor.

series of honda we have and had:

accord 94 and 2002 model: we kept the 94 because its our favorite from the two. no problems ever since with the 94. regular maintenance lang ok na.

civic 2000, 2003: wala na space for 2003 civic kaya benta. minor suspension problems for the civic 2003 (rear hub and front shocks). yung nirepair ok na. my current ride 2000 civic, no problems regular maintenance lang.

city 99, 2008: again walang prob yung 99 city namin, vc gasket leak lang. yung 2008, wala pa. shempre its new.

cr-v 2003: no doubt its a gas guzzler lalo matic. pero in terms of sira, wala pa. kahit mga bushing, engine problem wala.

other cars we own:

starex 2000: wala man lang ingay or sign tapos bumigay kagad yung steering pump. another short trip to the bank, habang nasa traffic, nagingay for about 5 sec. then naputol 3 fanbelt. tirik!

galant 96: lagi na lang pinapalitan yung servo... sakit sa ulo. a/t, broke down after 7 years of service. sabi ng mitsu sa may don bosco, palit tranny lang daw solution. hhhuuwwhhhaatttt??!??!??? eeehhhh leak lang atf palit na? kahit yung sa pasay atco mechanics, yun din sabi. biglang engage to lower gear sa highway, muntik na kami tamaan ng oto sa likod

lancer pizza ng cousin ko: halos month-on-month repair ng suspension. never ending trip to the mechanics.


for toyota, altis 2005, big body: pareho ok pero kaya lang we choose honda more because of the design.

pinamatandang oto namin: corona silver edition 83, malupit, hangang ngayon walang overhaul. still usable for village trips or paranaque area.

yan ang dahilan kaya "because its a honda" simply reliable. hindi kami kakaba kaba sa daan unlike others mentioned.

ikaw, bogeyman, ano ACTUAL experience mo sa honda that makes you say that? hindi yung mga naririnig lang, like hearsay?

nevermind the expensive pms, reliable naman.

concern mo USDM honda kasi pwede mangyari dito? ummm dapat nangyari na yan di ba? iba manufacturer ng honda US and Pinas.

its obvious that your baging on honda because of the marketing concept. ill bet if someone says that mitsu is the best.. tatahimik ka diyan.

[Bogeyman]

O, e di nagkwento ka rin. Much better than just mindlessly saying "Basta kunin mo Honda. Tapos."

ikaw, bogeyman, ano ACTUAL experience mo sa honda that makes you say that? hindi yung mga naririnig lang, like hearsay?

It's on the post that you quoted.

bet if someone says that mitsu is the best.. tatahimik ka diyan.

Hindi rin. For starters, MMPC doesn't have a subcompact car to compete with the Vios, Jazz and Swift, so sa thread na ito, talo na.

The Fuzion holds no appeal for me since it doesn't come with either a diesel or an M/T variant. That goes for the Grandis too.

The Pajero Field Master should have been retired long ago. Binebenta pa rin, kahit may Pajero Gen 3.5 at MS na. Same with the L300 Versa Van. The Adventure is sorely in need of a redesign, especially the D-pillar, and an engine upgrade.

And don't even get me started on the Galant 240M's looks.

[tidus1203]

well, i didn't ask you if you agree or not.

I am just saying my piece and I am not talking to you either. And before you say I am a Honda hater quite the contrary I am a Honda fan. I own 2007 Civic 1.8V and 1999 Accord VTI-L. I like them both very much!

[[archie]]

O, e di nagkwento ka rin. Much better than just mindlessly saying "Basta kunin mo Honda. Tapos."



It's on the post that you quoted.



Hindi rin. For starters, MMPC doesn't have a subcompact car to compete with the Vios, Jazz and Swift, so sa thread na ito, talo na.

The Fuzion holds no appeal for me since it doesn't come with either a diesel or an M/T variant. That goes for the Grandis too.

The Pajero Field Master should have been retired long ago. Binebenta pa rin, kahit may Pajero Gen 3.5 at MS na. Same with the L300 Versa Van. The Adventure is sorely in need of a redesign, especially the D-pillar, and an engine upgrade.

And don't even get me started on the Galant 240M's looks.

then dont say the theres no honda factor involved when we say "because its honda". dont say na edi nagkwento ka din, simply reliable honda kaya not need to elaborate.

yung mga experience mo sa honda are not conclusive that honda cars are over rated. ang sabi mo kasi exploding civic... USDM cr-v. nakita mo na? were you there?

[jozef_10]

did i ask you all to comment on my posts?

well, i didn't ask you if you agree or not.

isn't this a public forum?

[Burai]

awts! pagbukas na pagbukas ko pa lang ng link, awayan na agad nakikita ko. not for my eyes! XD nako isa pa to, luma na pala yung thread!
anyway, iwon't back read everything else and i'd go for the jazz. comfort, space and fuel efficiency is my main point. 2nd would be the swift becuase of the cuteness and size. ang population pa nito malayo sa tulad ng vios na ngayon eh puro taxi fleets na last would be the vios. kung yaris sana eh yaris ang gagawin kong 2nd

[Bogeyman]

then dont say the theres no honda factor involved when we say "because its honda". dont say na edi nagkwento ka din, simply reliable honda kaya not need to elaborate.

You, being a Honda owner, are in the best position to paint a clearer picture of your preferred brand. But if you fail to elaborate on the reasons why it should be chosen above all the others, you're missing a good opportunity. There's an assumption that everyone knows what a Honda is all about; not all people know what a Honda means, and that's where it gets elitist and stupid.

It's like saying, "Get an N85 because it's a Nokia", or "Hire this guy because he's from UP". It doesn't really *say* anything. O e ano kung Nokia yan? O e ano kung galing UP yan? O e ano kung Honda yan? That's where your insights come in. All those awards and accolades don't even come close to narrating personal, everyday experiences. Those are more important in persuading a potential car owner to consider your suggestion.

ang sabi mo kasi exploding civic... USDM cr-v. nakita mo na? were you there?

You don't have to be in Mindanao to know that there's a conflict going on; you just see it on the news. So it's not just hearsay; I suggest you google it, as it has already appeared on The New York Times. The article first appeared on tsikot.com, IIRC. No such issue has been brought up with the current gen CR-Vas of yet, so it's likely that they've already improved the oil pan design.

[woohoo]

It's like saying, "Get an N85 because it's a Nokia", or "Hire this guy because he's from UP". It doesn't really *say* anything. O e ano kung Nokia yan? O e ano kung galing UP yan? O e ano kung Honda yan? That's where your insights come in. All those awards and accolades don't even come close to narrating personal, everyday experiences. Those are more important in persuading a potential car owner to consider your suggestion.

I agree that those "because" statements quoted above don't really say anything of substance. Unfortunately, they're quite useful for a large portion of our population. Panindak ba...

Kaya siguro iyung isang undergrad na kaopisina namin, nagpaparinig na mag-ma-masters siya sa UP, in public pa kung magtanong about enrollment, tuition fees, requirements, etc... Paano, nagbabakasakali siya na hindi lahat nakakaalam na wala pa siyang college degree...

Now, to stay on topic, I'd probably go for the Swift, because I'm the adventurous type. Saka, hindi pa ako nagka-Suzuki. hehe.

[[archie]]

You, being a Honda owner, are in the best position to paint a clearer picture of your preferred brand. But if you fail to elaborate on the reasons why it should be chosen above all the others, you're missing a good opportunity. There's an assumption that everyone knows what a Honda is all about; not all people know what a Honda means, and that's where it gets elitist and stupid.

It's like saying, "Get an N85 because it's a Nokia", or "Hire this guy because he's from UP". It doesn't really *say* anything. O e ano kung Nokia yan? O e ano kung galing UP yan? O e ano kung Honda yan? That's where your insights come in. All those awards and accolades don't even come close to narrating personal, everyday experiences. Those are more important in persuading a potential car owner to consider your suggestion.

didnt i say its just plain reliable? you did not ask if how do you know its reliable? you just kept on saying "its the H emblem" or "because its honda" is not a viable thing for you. YOU DID NOT ASK ME. so you are just waiting for me to explain? im no mind reader.

You don't have to be in Mindanao to know that there's a conflict going on; you just see it on the news. So it's not just hearsay; I suggest you google it, as it has already appeared on The New York Times. The article first appeared on tsikot.com, IIRC. No such issue has been brought up with the current gen CR-Vas of yet, so it's likely that they've already improved the oil pan design.

ok then, tell me, do you know how often guns shots are fired everyday there? tell me how much fire power does the military actually have? tell me, how many are their front liners and snipers? thats why there are military that give their opinion and orders on whats best and not from the people that only heard it from the news. its because, they have ACTUAL years of experience on the situation and not rely on the news.

besides, the comments you have for honda is based on BAD news, if you want reports, why not listen to the awards that they have getting? its clear that you want to put down the brand... take two sides of the story and not just the negative.

its obvious that your bias against honda and im fine with that. just dont go out saying this and that if you dont have experience on the matter.

im tired of these people that put down honda just because they dont like the marketing and dwelling on isolated cases. simply put, people have their own opinion and to bash on those opinion show arrogance, and without actual experience... is stupid.