Fun-to-Drive Manual for 750k?

[ghosthunter]

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Hindi ba plastic na rin yung manifold ng EX na mga lancer?

Yes, plastic yung intake but SPEEDLAB has done a few turbocharged Lancer EX. You can inquire with them on how they did with the upgrade. From what they mentioned earlier, they had issues going beyond 200whp because of slippage at the clutch.

[Arshxd]

Yes, plastic yung intake but SPEEDLAB has done a few turbocharged Lancer EX. You can inquire with them on how they did with the upgrade. From what they mentioned earlier, they had issues going beyond 200whp because of slippage at the clutch.

Note lang bawal ako sa second hand ngayon. Before this I was looking for Civic 1.8 MT/Lancer 2.0 MT kasama ng dad ko. pero lagging 50k talaga yung hinihingi niya na discount, eh lagging di rin umurong ang bumebenta. For second hand budget was 400k.

Pero ngayon dapat brand new talaga dahil napagod na silang magpunta sa mga seller. Either Lancer 1.6 or Mazda2 1.3 kapag ganun. Alam ko yung 1.6L Mitsubishi 4A92 11:1 yung compression nya ata, bore-stroke is 75x90. Yung Mazda ZJ-VE 10:1 compression at 74x78.4

[Rockyds]

Note lang bawal ako sa second hand ngayon. Before this I was looking for Civic 1.8 MT/Lancer 2.0 MT kasama ng dad ko. pero lagging 50k talaga yung hinihingi niya na discount, eh lagging di rin umurong ang bumebenta. For second hand budget was 400k.

Pero ngayon dapat brand new talaga dahil napagod na silang magpunta sa mga seller. Either Lancer 1.6 or Mazda2 1.3 kapag ganun. Alam ko yung 1.6L Mitsubishi 4A92 11:1 yung compression nya ata, bore-stroke is 75x90. Yung Mazda ZJ-VE 10:1 compression at 74x78.4

So which is better ba? higher or lower compression? Lalo na kung turbo ang plano?

[Arshxd]

So which is better ba? higher or lower compression? Lalo na kung turbo ang plano?

From what I've read the lower the better for boost applications. So, If boost pressure is say 10 psi. Then you have 11:1 compression ratio. peak pressure when the piston is at top-dead-center would be 11*10=>110 psi. If compression ration is at say 10:1 you get 100 psi peak pressure. Please check my math though. But amount of boost will depend on the engine if the parts can handle the pressure.

Edit: The math is wrong, here but the idea is the same here's a better explanation => http://www.turbo-mini.com/70947.html

[ghosthunter]

So which is better ba? higher or lower compression? Lalo na kung turbo ang plano?

lower compression is better if you have plans of going turbo later.

Downside, low comp engines do not make a lot of power by themselves.

[ghosthunter]

Note lang bawal ako sa second hand ngayon. Before this I was looking for Civic 1.8 MT/Lancer 2.0 MT kasama ng dad ko. pero lagging 50k talaga yung hinihingi niya na discount, eh lagging di rin umurong ang bumebenta. For second hand budget was 400k.

Pero ngayon dapat brand new talaga dahil napagod na silang magpunta sa mga seller. Either Lancer 1.6 or Mazda2 1.3 kapag ganun. Alam ko yung 1.6L Mitsubishi 4A92 11:1 yung compression nya ata, bore-stroke is 75x90. Yung Mazda ZJ-VE 10:1 compression at 74x78.4

Ok, given that limit, you would still be better off with the Lancer EX 1.6L... I drove one for a weekend trip during a media event and it was still fun to drive but lacked power when trying to go uphill quickly.

[Arshxd]

I'll try to get it down to price when I go to Mitsubishi. Idk if that would be enough to convince my family if it's worth the discounted price. I based the 750k off the fact that they suggested a Honda City 1.3 to me at first, not sure if I can raise the budget higher if they're already counting on discounts. I've already talked them out of buying a Mirage.

Only other car I could think of with an SRP within 750k is the new Vios, I have no idea how it drives though but it looks geared for comfort rather than driving. That and the 1.5L Fiesta :/. If only we got the 1L ecoboost MT like they do in Europe, Ford haven't said anything about when it's coming, and only hinted that it'll be sold as the Sport Plus...

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take the jazz!

[Arshxd]

take the jazz!

I don't really like the looks of the 1.3L stock, I've seen what can be done about it though and while dressed up the Jazz looks great it also looks really expensive to get them to look great. The stock intake is much too small to fit an intercooler in if I do go turbo with it..

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ahh ok. you can tell you parents that a lancer ex would cost just an additional 50k and you'll get a bigger car, bigger engine, better comfort, lot more interior space, touch screen head unit, and more safety with the abs ebd dual airbag. I think that would make a good selling point for money value.

[jhnkvn]

I don't really like the looks of the 1.3L stock, I've seen what can be done about it though and while dressed up the Jazz looks great it also looks really expensive to get them to look great. The stock intake is much too small to fit an intercooler in if I do go turbo with it..

Irrelevant. It's not like you plan on slapping a turbocharger there without modifying the intake right?

Re: Lancer EX
Although I'm generally not a fan of the 1.6L Lancer, there's cost-savings to factor in too which you can then divert to modifications. I'll still go for the 2.0L and then turbocharge that. Sometimes, nothing beats pure displacement

You'd also want to upgrade your brakes ASAP to take advantage of the added power.

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Personally, I'll cast my vote with a Fiesta. There's a ton of modified Fiesta making rezing-rezing on track days. Aside from being a joy to drive thanks to its stiff suspension, you also have weight reduction savings compared to that of the EX.

[Arshxd]

Irrelevant. It's not like you plan on slapping a turbocharger there without modifying the intake right?

Re: Lancer EX
Although I'm generally not a fan of the 1.6L Lancer, there's cost-savings to factor in too which you can then divert to modifications. I'll still go for the 2.0L and then turbocharge that. Sometimes, nothing beats pure displacement

You'd also want to upgrade your brakes ASAP to take advantage of the added power.

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Personally, I'll cast my vote with a Fiesta. There's a ton of modified Fiesta making rezing-rezing on track days. Aside from being a joy to drive thanks to its stiff suspension, you also have weight reduction savings compared to that of the EX.

Is the Fiesta stiffer than the Mazda? Which is setup for more oversteer? I doubt I can justify the lancer at this point, I've talked to him and he's saying that that's too much because technically it's my first car. But back in the province I've been the family's "driver" ever since I've got my license at 17.

Won't be going for power mods till after board exams. By then the warranty will be expired, and I might be able to DIY a turbo conversion.

In the meantime I'll be saving up for ceramic brake pads, lighter wheels, better tires. I won't be doing lowering springs anytime soon as the car would have to deal with light flooding, speedhumps, and potholes on a day to day basis. Maybe I could do anti-roll bars to stiffen up the rear and make it a bit more lively but that's the extent of what I can do to the suspension.

[jhnkvn]

Is the Fiesta stiffer than the Mazda? Which is setup for more oversteer? I doubt I can justify the lancer at this point, I've talked to him and he's saying that that's too much because technically it's my first car. But back in the province I've been the family's "driver" ever since I've got my license at 17.

Won't be going for power mods till after board exams. By then the warranty will be expired, and I might be able to DIY a turbo conversion.

The Mazda2 would definitely be better for a driver. Haven't drove the Fiesta but the Mazda2's extremely fun to drive. Don't mind the added power on the Fiesta, the weight savings of the Mazda2 definitely shines over it. But as they share the same chassis and specifications come so closely.. I wouldn't worry about among the two has more oversteer. Hell, just get better tires to go with them

But if you start factoring in secondhands, there's a lot more cars you can select from. You can easily buy a RB25DE Skyline with that cash. Sadly, RB26DETTs of R32/3/4s are still pretty expensive. You pay a lot for a quality engine after all but I'm sure any beginner or intermediate gearhead would be happy with just a natural aspirated 2.5 engine doing 255Nm of torque.. on a great platform too.

[170kphlang]

^medyo di pala cost effective iturbo yung 1.6 lancer kung ganun. Better if bumili nakang ng 2nd hand 2.0. After bolt on performance mods and unichip, lamang na sa turbocharged 1.6

tama si sir niky na kapag nagturbo ko on the 1.6, you'll end up with the power in the range of the 2.0 so sana nag 2.0 ka na lang in the 1st place

[Arshxd]

The Mazda2 would definitely be better for a driver. Haven't drove the Fiesta but the Mazda2's extremely fun to drive. Don't mind the added power on the Fiesta, the weight savings of the Mazda2 definitely shines over it. But as they share the same chassis and specifications come so closely.. I wouldn't worry about among the two has more oversteer. Hell, just get better tires to go with them

But if you start factoring in secondhands, there's a lot more cars you can select from. You can easily buy a RB25DE Skyline with that cash. Sadly, RB26DETTs of R32/3/4s are still pretty expensive. You pay a lot for a quality engine after all but I'm sure any beginner or intermediate gearhead would be happy with just a natural aspirated 2.5 engine doing 255Nm of torque.. on a great platform too.

I know, I was the one that suggested that we buy second hand but because of the Fukishima Power Plant disaster in Japan, He wouldn't let me go for a grey market import that's come from there unless the seller has a certificate that the car has been tested for radiation. I spent a whole week trying to convince him that it was OK. I even went to the Philippine Nuclear Research Institute to try and convince him but the technician there was pretty worried about it despite the fact that their boss that I talked to on the phone said it was fine as long as the car was washed properly. After that I did go look for 2.0L Lancers and 1.8L Civics. The decent ones were priced at 525k which I thought was a bargain, but no, dad wanted at least 25k off the price of the car but the seller refused. Given that and that my mother chimed in refusing anything more than 5 years old and all that's left to choose from was the Vios, 1.6 Cedia Lancers, and the Sentra... /end rant.

Second Hand budget is much lower. 400k max and it had to be less than 5 years old.

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actually, ill take what I can get then worry about the upgrade later.

[ghosthunter]

At this point, just get the new VIOS 1.5L. Have fun with it and worry about the mods in 3 or 4 years down the road.

Having fun with a car isn't just about how much HP you have under the hood. It is how much you can utilize.

[Arshxd]

I guess I'll have to go see each of the cars in the range and see what I come up with. So far I've been already been to Mazda, Ford, Hyundai, Chevrolet Greenhills, and none of them kept manual transmissioned cars at the dealership so I have no clue what the versions I'll be buying would actually be like. Is buying really like this in Manila? you can't see the car until you're about to buy?

The vios 1.5 is 812k *_*....
http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/car-n...e-out-in-july#

Sorry, I did get carried away thinking about the possible mods. Right now I can't help but feel a bit of bias to the Mazda2, However the Fiesta with the same spec is 20k cheaper... Both dealers I've asked would give me a 50k discount, you think I could push it a little more? Considering the 2014 Fiesta is launching this august?

[jhnkvn]

Know the art of haggling. First you try to canvass how much dealerships are willing to give you. This can be as easy as phoning 5-7 dealerships around the metropolis. Personally, I go with the "cash basis" attempt so I know how much I can squeeze from them. Then I go with the "best deal" I found then renegotiate from there. If there's one thing I can tell you is that negotiation attempts shouldn't just take 2 steps. It's a long process wherein both you and the seller should be satisfied. 50K ba gusto nila? Push them for more. Some people do low-blow attempts "gusto ko 90K discount!" then renegotiate from there until they finally settle for something like 65K. Sometimes you can bluff your way, "sabi ng XXX dealership na 70K discount. But since nandito na ako, kaya niyo ba ako bigyan same offer?".

As for my purchase sa Sonata, I used the pressure tactic -> "dala checkbook" -> "bibigyan kita one chance lang to make me an offer. Discuss it with your manager. I'll give you 10minutes." I got a pretty good offer back then from Hyundai Quezon Avenue the offer was comparable to that of provincial dealerships where it's often cheaper to get a unit.

Most won't put manual transmissions in their showrooms. It's pointless because manual transmission sales nowadays are pretty low unless you're a taxi fleet operator. However, they can and SHOULD be able to schedule you an appointment for a test drive on your selected car variant.

[niky]

Fiesta. 1.5 MT. 695k Bare.

Buy it. Use it to commute. Learn to drive on it. After a few years, you can have a stripped down 1.5 hatchback for trackdays.