Forester 2.5xt or Tucson premium crdi

[renzo_d10]

guys, sorry wala pa good news, nahihirapan pa magdecide dad ko kasi nagustuhan niya rin tucson pero mas gusto niya talaga xt, sorry nahiya rin ako kasi medyo matagal magdecide

Huwag na patagalin pa. Para wala nang regrets sa huli, go for the FXT.

Kasi, kapag nagtucson kayo ... tapos nakakita dad mo ng FXT sabihin niya lang, dapat ... yan binili ko kasi gustong gusto ko yan eh.

Diba ? Atleast, kapag nagFXT kayo since gusto naman ng dad mo iyon di siya magkakaron ng regrets.

[ralphgo3]

yup yup, if ako lang magdedecide para sa dad ko nabili na namin xt eh, pero dad ko talaga magdedecide eh, nakakadepress na nga rin eh kasi super naeexcite na ko eh lalo na if nakakita ako xt and tucson

[Starex_Gold]

Eto ba?



o ito?

[eggman]

yup yup, if ako lang magdedecide para sa dad ko nabili na namin xt eh, pero dad ko talaga magdedecide eh, nakakadepress na nga rin eh kasi super naeexcite na ko eh lalo na if nakakita ako xt and tucson

Sya naman pala ang bibili eh kaya maging happy ka na sa choice nya..

Okay din naman yang Forester XT Turbo kahit papaano.

[ralphgo3]

hahhaa,thanks sir sg mas nakakadepress, musta po pala yun tucson niyo? super happy po ba?

[Starex_Gold]

I'm Happy. But not super. Hindi ko nalaman na mahal din pala maintenance nito dahil kailangan ng 8 Liters of Fully Synthetic oil. So mga 5K oil palang, wala pang Oil filter, Oil filter gasket, at labor.

Hindi rin ako natutuwa sa headlights nya kasi H4 type. Kahit naka HID wala parin kwenta. Kaya magpapalit pa ako ng headlights.

at huli sa lahat, ayoko ng may kapareho :hysterical:

Mag Forester XT nalang kayo. hahaha

[renzo_d10]

SG : Diba may kapareho ka na dito ? CRDi Premium na Silky Bronze din ? Or wala pa ?

[Starex_Gold]

wala.

CRDi Premium Gray Titanium sana. Kaso hindi na nya kinuha. Nag back out siya.

Pero sana pag naibenta nya yung Santa Fe nya bumili siya ng Tucson CRDi Premium

yung kapareho ko renzo nakita ko sa parking ng SM Megamall. Pero Theta II Premium Sikly Bronze siya

[renzo_d10]

Ah, so ikaw pa rin ang nag-iisa.

[ralphgo3]

* sir sg, haha well kami rin eh kasi nagsawa na kami sa monty namin rami kapareho kaya mas gusto ko xt pero if kuha kami tucson baka kunin namin gray, sana malapit na

[kupz99]

Palagay ko baka naka test drive na yun at nakabili na then sibat na. Haay.

Bro, puwede din ang XCS sa FXT mo. 95 Octane din naman yun at 95 din ang minimum ng XT. Just dont expect the same performance or FC.

Pero ang tipid ng CRDi malaki pa din at di lang sa price. Yung TDCi ko kasi kahit hatawin ko mahigit 10 km/lit. I can only reach that in my dreams in the FXT.

This is why CRDi is ideal for endurance races like Le Mans. It's like my FXT and Focus TDCi having a race to Pagudpod without rest stops. Sure my FXT will go ahead -- but it will have to stop for gas so many more times there's no chance for it to win.

But some people prefer to have rest stops in actual driving.

Nanigurado lang ako sa blaze hehe baka kasi hindi actual yung rating na 95 octane ang XCS atleast may konting allowance sa blaze tutal minsan ko lang ginagamit XT

[pup2]

Some notes:

The Legacy GT's acceleration might be 5.5 with the manual. I believe the variant we have locally is the automatic, and that's the one rated at 6.5.

Torque is what matters for acceleration. However, the really, really really important number is torque at the wheels. Which means torque multiplied by gearing. Which is why, overall, cars with more horsepower are faster... because more horsepower indicates more torque at higher rpm... which means you can stay in lower gears much longer... which means more wheel torque more of the time (even though a turbodiesel usually has much higher peak acceleration, it can't maintain it as long as a turbo-gasser)... which means much much better acceleration.

Ah, k. That explains it. Tama pala me, still slower than my 07 FXT. No wonder tinatawaran my car in the streets. hehe.

Mahirap intindihin yung explanation Niky. At lalong mahirap ipaliwanag sa common na tao. Kaya palagay ko gawin na lang parang sa hazard lights rule ...

Teka, meron bang high HP gas na mababa ang torque? Puwera mga 2 liter and below ha.

[pup2]

don't sweat it .. your money .. take all the time that you need ..

naalala ko .. inabutan ata ako ng buwan na pinagisipan kung crv, montero o fortuner ang bibilhin ko .. tapos sabi ni misis alam naman niya na FXT talaga gusto ko kahit least practical ..

so yon .. FXT ..

haha. la lang. natawa lang ako dito. yun misis ko kasi gusto Outback e. hahaha.

[pup2]

Ah, k. That explains it. Tama pala me, still slower than my 07 FXT. No wonder tinatawaran my car in the streets. hehe.

Mahirap intindihin yung explanation Niky. At lalong mahirap ipaliwanag sa common na tao. Kaya palagay ko gawin na lang parang sa hazard lights rule ...

Teka, meron bang high HP gas na mababa ang torque? Puwera mga 2 liter and below ha.

Sorry, let me elaborate. I got to my conclusion when i saw the formula POWER=TORQUE X CONSTANT X RPM / CONSTANT on Wiki. Assuming it's true, it means Power is a function of Torque and RPM -- meaning it's an all-encompassing figure given current RPM levels.

On the other hand, some people may consider high Torque cars and think they accelerate faster despite lower RPM (I think electric is the ultimate example of this). Not true.

In that sense, HP is a better indication of acceleration because it already includes both torque AND RPM. OTH, having higher torque will always mean having stronger PULLING power but not necessarily accelerate faster.

If this is what Niky means, and I think it is, it, might be too technical for most people who might still think torque is the all-important number for acceleration.

If the formula is incorrect, I stand corrected and I apologize for Wiki ...

[pup2]

Niky? Tama ba yun formula?

Im not even including gearing here. Just at the engine/flywheel.

[mackieboy]

ako forester based on my experience sa kanya

[niky]

Sorry, let me elaborate. I got to my conclusion when i saw the formula POWER=TORQUE X CONSTANT X RPM / CONSTANT on Wiki. Assuming it's true, it means Power is a function of Torque and RPM -- meaning it's an all-encompassing figure given current RPM levels.

On the other hand, some people may consider high Torque cars and think they accelerate faster despite lower RPM (I think electric is the ultimate example of this). Not true.

In that sense, HP is a better indication of acceleration because it already includes both torque AND RPM. OTH, having higher torque will always mean having stronger PULLING power but not necessarily accelerate faster.

If this is what Niky means, and I think it is, it, might be too technical for most people who might still think torque is the all-important number for acceleration.

If the formula is incorrect, I stand corrected and I apologize for Wiki ...

Sorry... didn't see this reply!

Sobrang overdue... but it's even more complicated than that.

More torque at a given rpm always equals better acceleration. This is always true. Which is why turbodiesels pull so hard just off idle.

But torque is multiplied through the gears. The lower the gear, the higher the torque. That's why even a Kia Picanto can do a burnout in first gear.

So, your turbodiesel jumps off the line because it has a few hundred ft-lbs of torque... multiplied by first gear = a gazillion ft-lbs of torque.

The turbo-gasoline engine doesn't have a chance, it gets left behind at the starting line.

But something funny happens when the turbodiesel gets to 4000 rpm. It has to shift.

The gasoline engine is just getting started. It makes the same torque at 4000-5000 rpm. As the turbodiesel shifts into 2nd gear, which has a lower multiplication factor, the gasoline engine stays in first and zips away.

This is why you want horsepower at higher revs rather than torque at lower revs for racing. High horsepower at high revs allows you to stay in gear longer, and maximize the multiplication factor of the gear. So in, essence, you're right.

That's why SiRs are so sucky in traffic, but so good in drag races. In a drag race, an SiR can stay in first gear till 8000 rpm (9000+ with mods), while other cars have to shift into second much earlier.

But in the real-world, since you're stuck between 2000-4000 rpm most of the time, torque is king. But more importantly, it's how much torque you have over the whole rpm band. Not just peak. That's why the Navara isn't any quicker than a Ford Ranger. It has higher peak torque, but it has a narrow torque band, so you have to keep shifting, while the Ford Ranger's meaty powerband allows it to stay in gear longer.

This is where average horsepower comes in. Knowing the average horsepower of an engine over a range of rpms will tell you more about performance than peak horsepower, but manufacturers don't tend to publish this. However, US motor-building competitions do. They rightfully regard average horsepower as the more important number to build for when building a competition engine.

But even with such handicaps, gearing and drive-ratios can really make a difference. The new 370Z is much faster than the old 350Z in a drag-race, even with less torque and a puny 30 hp advantage, thanks to a shorter final-drive ratio.

Complicated, no? :hysterical:

In essence, performance is best predicted by average horsepower and gearing, all else being equal.