Car Sales Data (2017)

**kagalingan** · June 14th, 2017 02:09 AM

Yung jazz nakakaawa... 577 lang nabenta........ Hindi talaga maganda ito 3rd gen. Ganito nangyari sa civic FB... Flop!!!

Mas madami pa nabenta HRV - 655

**StockEngine** · June 14th, 2017 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by kagalingan

Yung jazz nakakaawa... 577 lang nabenta........ Hindi talaga maganda ito 3rd gen. Ganito nangyari sa civic FB... Flop!!!

Mas madami pa nabenta HRV - 655

flop? not practical imo, hatches cant swallow grocery hauls or pangsundo sa airport ng family.

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**myas110** · June 14th, 2017 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by niky

Man... insane numbers for the Wigo. Probably a huge promotional push (discounts) for the old one combined with the release of the new one put it over the top.

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The Vios' numbers I can understand. The 1.3E is very good value for money, even if the the fuel economy is no longer that good (especially compared to the likes of the Ciaz and the City). But the Wigo?

of course, pasok sa budget yung wigo, wide range of service dealership, parts, and the badge itself. (disclaimer: have driven a wigo for quite a while) would go for Celerio but parts may be a problem kapag may nasiraan na part yung Celerio.

**CVT** · June 14th, 2017 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by StockEngine

flop? not practical imo, hatches cant swallow grocery hauls or pangsundo sa airport ng family.

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IMO, bro,- the Jazz is not selling because it is already very very expensive vs. comparable rides.

Pero, in as far as swallowing grocery hauls,- or pangsundo sa airport,- saludo ako riyan.... (at least for the previous gen Jazz we owned).

It can fit 3 balikbayan boxes, a luggage [can handle one or two more, IMO] and a couple of carry ons at the back while seating (1 driver) and 2 passengers comfortably.

I remember buying a lot of bulky electrical fixtures etc when we were constructing our new place.... The person who assisted me then was hopeless that it would not fit our Jazz,- but when we were able to,- he was really impressed....

Also, when we moved to our new place,- I had a couple of 40-inch LED TVs, a mini-component, a CRT TV, heavy duty vacuum cleaner, and some other bulky electrical/gadget stuffs in the back.

I am certain that a regular sedan would not be able to accommodate any one of the above.... Only a van could (GS) - but of course a van costs ~P1.5M++ already.

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**niky** · June 14th, 2017 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by CVT

IMO, bro,- the Jazz is not selling because it is already very very expensive vs. comparable rides.

Pero, in as far as swallowing grocery hauls,- or pangsundo sa airport,- saludo ako riyan.... (at least for the previous gen Jazz we owned).

It can fit 3 balikbayan boxes, a luggage [can handle one or two more, IMO] and a couple of carry ons at the back while seating (1 driver) and 2 passengers comfortably.

I remember buying a lot of bulky electrical fixtures etc when we were constructing our new place.... The person who assisted me then was hopeless that it would not fit our Jazz,- but when we were able to,- he was really impressed....

Also, when we moved to our new place,- I had a couple of 40-inch LED TVs, a mini-component, a CRT TV, heavy duty vacuum cleaner, and some other bulky electrical/gadget stuffs in the back.

I am certain that a regular sedan would not be able to accommodate any one of the above.... Only a van could (GS) - but of course a van costs ~P1.5M++ already.

The Jazz is a freaking fantastic car. Its biggest problems are, actually, sitting in the showroom right next to it.

The HR-V, despite the lack of rear headroom and despite not being any more utilitarian than the Jazz, sells better because it is a "crossover" (despite the ultra-low ride height).

The Mobilio and BR-V both offer seven seats within the same price range. What family man would get a Jazz over a BR-V? The Jazz is arguably higher quality, but the BR-V sits seven, clears humps better, and has the exact same engine and transmission, as well as a standard touchscreen on even the base unit.

For those who aren't "family men", there are ***ier cars than the Jazz out there. Like the HR-V.

That said: Honda's line-up is killing it. They've covered every budget range and need... go in for City, come out with a Mobilio. Go in for a Mobilio, come out with a BR-V. Go in for a Jazz, come out with an HR-V. I'm just worried about in-brand cannibalism, but since these cars share a lot mechanically, it shouldn't be such a big deal on the service side. It will just take more creative and intelligent stocking to keep unsold inventories for certain models from piling up.

Originally Posted by kagalingan

Wala ba data ilan nabenta yaris or nahiya na toyota ilabas.

Note: No numbers for the Crosswind, either.... it should be sitting around 20th place, in front of the D-Max (it was in 22nd place in January)... the list is "bungi".

Originally Posted by myas110

of course, pasok sa budget yung wigo, wide range of service dealership, parts, and the badge itself. (disclaimer: have driven a wigo for quite a while) would go for Celerio but parts may be a problem kapag may nasiraan na part yung Celerio.

The Celerio shares parts with the older Celerio and the Alto. You should have absolutely no problems getting parts for the K10 engine anywhere.

The Wigo is a Daihatsu. It doesn't share anything with other Toyotas locally sold. Even the engine is only sold in the Wigo, and the new one is VVTi, which means it is slightly different to the first-gen. (Celerio engine is an update, but it still retains the same valvetrain and other major parts).

If you're thinking of outside service and parts, you can get more stuff for the Mirage than EITHER of these two cars. Dress up parts, body kits, spares. The Mirage is the only one in the class for which you can buy commercially made intakes, exhausts and full suspension systems (anti-roll bars, lowering springs... even coil-overs, if you really want them!).

**CVT** · June 14th, 2017 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by niky

The Jazz is a freaking fantastic car. Its biggest problems are, actually, sitting in the showroom right next to it.

The HR-V, despite the lack of rear headroom and despite not being any more utilitarian than the Jazz, sells better because it is a "crossover" (despite the ultra-low ride height).

The Mobilio and BR-V both offer seven seats within the same price range. What family man would get a Jazz over a BR-V? The Jazz is arguably higher quality, but the BR-V sits seven, clears humps better, and has the exact same engine and transmission, as well as a standard touchscreen on even the base unit.

For those who aren't "family men", there are ***ier cars than the Jazz out there. Like the HR-V.

That said: Honda's line-up is killing it. They've covered every budget range and need... go in for City, come out with a Mobilio. Go in for a Mobilio, come out with a BR-V. Go in for a Jazz, come out with an HR-V. I'm just worried about in-brand cannibalism, but since these cars share a lot mechanically, it shouldn't be such a big deal on the service side. It will just take more creative and intelligent stocking to keep unsold inventories for certain models from piling up.

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Bro.,- I'd say go in for the Honda and come out disappointed because the rides are very expensive.

Instead,-go for the "more reliable" and more cost effective Toyotas....

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Originally Posted by niky

The Jazz is a freaking fantastic car. Its biggest problems are, actually, sitting in the showroom right next to it.

The HR-V, despite the lack of rear headroom and despite not being any more utilitarian than the Jazz, sells better because it is a "crossover" (despite the ultra-low ride height).

The Mobilio and BR-V both offer seven seats within the same price range. What family man would get a Jazz over a BR-V? The Jazz is arguably higher quality, but the BR-V sits seven, clears humps better, and has the exact same engine and transmission, as well as a standard touchscreen on even the base unit.

For those who aren't "family men", there are ***ier cars than the Jazz out there. Like the HR-V.

That said: Honda's line-up is killing it. They've covered every budget range and need... go in for City, come out with a Mobilio. Go in for a Mobilio, come out with a BR-V. Go in for a Jazz, come out with an HR-V. I'm just worried about in-brand cannibalism, but since these cars share a lot mechanically, it shouldn't be such a big deal on the service side. It will just take more creative and intelligent stocking to keep unsold inventories for certain models from piling up.

Bro.,- I'd say go in for the Honda and come out disappointed because the rides are very expensive.

Instead,-go for the "more reliable" and more cost effective Toyotas....

**niky** · June 14th, 2017 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by CVT

Bro.,- I'd say go in for the Honda and come out disappointed because the rides are very expensive.

Instead,-go for the "more reliable" and more cost effective Toyotas....

The Jazz and HR-V are definitely on the expensive side.

But the Mobilio and BR-V are just about right-priced. The BR-V is selling like hotcakes.

**gearhead000** · June 14th, 2017 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by niky

The Wigo is a Daihatsu. It doesn't share anything with other Toyotas locally sold. Even the engine is only sold in the Wigo, and the new one is VVTi, which means it is slightly different to the first-gen. (Celerio engine is an update, but it still retains the same valvetrain and other major parts).

You learn new things everyday.

**CVT** · June 14th, 2017 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by niky

The Jazz and HR-V are definitely on the expensive side.

But the Mobilio and BR-V are just about right-priced. The BR-V is selling like hotcakes.

Bro.,- but I understand earlier that you're pitching for the Ertiga...

BRV - there's something there that does not look right. And also, a short stride compared to the Mobilio...

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**CVT** · June 14th, 2017 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by niky

The Wigo is a Daihatsu. It doesn't share anything with other Toyotas locally sold. Even the engine is only sold in the Wigo, and the new one is VVTi, which means it is slightly different to the first-gen. (Celerio engine is an update, but it still retains the same valvetrain and other major parts).

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That's why the Toyota Badge effectively changes the curve of the game....

They've done that earlier with the Avanza,- and then now, the Wigo,- both Daihatsus.....

Market re-branding?

Make it a Toyota and it will sell like hotcakes at least here in our country.

Now, how about Daihatsu Terios (to compete with Ecosport),- when will they bring this in the Philippines? - this is another sure winner....

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