Budget Crossovers

[Bin Diesel]

Yes, everything really looks good brand new, well, not for the Chery brand, I've been reading the thread, and the buyers practically ignored what they see, and are blinded by the price. I mean, andami ng lumabas na crash test nung QQ, but they're still saying "when you die, you die", blinded.

The Test Drive unit I used, is beaten, poorly maintained, hindi nga nacacarwash, and has 3.7K kilometerage (ayaw ko mileage, kasi miles dapat yun. ahaha!) So, somehow, you kinda see what the car will look like in real conditions. Unless, it was actually maintained, which is a good thing, right? They can maintain it.

sir, additional info na lang para syo. last year may nakasabay ako sa suking talyer namin na nagpapagawa ng Chery Tiggo may isang bolt sa makina na naputol and this caused the engine to seize, walang magawa yung talyer kasi walang available na piyesa kahit pa sa casa mismo. long story short bukod sa quality ng sasakyan at brand dapat iconsider din natin ang parts availability and dealer support kasi these things will certainly impact your experience.

also 3.7k kms is still pretty new and will not tell you how the car will perform once you start putting on the miles/kilometers in it.

[yourman_2nd]

sir get the Haima na. Laus Group naman sila kaya for sure, di mawawala Laus Grouop if ever magsara Haima dealership. And knowing LAus Group, they will not venture into Haima distributorship if they dont believe in the Manufacturer and the Vehicle.

IMO, we cannot compare cherry with haima since, as i've mentioned above, Laus Group will not collaborate with Haima if they dont believe in their partner. I'm sure they visited the plant in China where Haima is manufactured and made an extensive study on the Company and their SUVs.

[yebo]

^ sa laus group siguro nagtratrabaho ito, kulit hahaha! lapit na pasko malaki bonus mo nyan.

kahit ano pa ang blue print na gamitin ng haima, kahit na all to specs pa yan ng japanese partners nila, may isang hindi ibibigay ang japan sa china. ano yun? metallurgy. kahit kailan di ibibigay ng japan (or any nation for that matter) ang technology sa pagawa ng bakal at ano mang metal na bago. pares din sa korea yan dati nung early 1990s, yung gawang korea na bakal e mas malambot o mas marupok kesa sa gawang japan o US. o germany. o france. etc. nag-invest ang korea ng billiones para makagawa ng mga bakal na ngayon nakikita mo sa mga hyundai at kia na sasakyan. di ka maniwala? isa ako sa unang bumili ng kia pride (1991). 8 months lang worn out na clutch plate. nung bumili ako sa banawe pinapili ako kung korea daw o japan (mazda). sabi ko, "parehas lang na bakal yan e." ginawa nung tindero kumuha ng korea at japan na clutch plate, tapos ipinalo nya yung korea sa japan, at ipinalo yung japan sa korea. result, yung korean na clutch plate may tama, yung japan wala. 3 months lang daw warranty ng korea, 1 year sa japan. hangang sa nabenta ko yung kia pride ko di na napalitan ng clutch ulit.

ang china, old technology pa ang gamit nyan sa mettalurgy. kaya nga pag "made in china" hindi tumatagal e. di bale ang makina pag masira, kasya naman siguro ang japan surplus dyan, konting retoke lang sa engine mounts. kaso yung ibang parts? gusto mo sumugal sa disk brake na china, ok lang? o yung suspension saka steering, paano kung bigla naputol? siguruhin mo lang na naka-seat belt ka lagi. at lahat ng sakay mo. at naka-baby carrier si baby, 2 sila. at may life insurance ka.

peace of mind pare, peace of mind.

[pop3corn]

obvious naman yebs, na mga salesperson Lang Ito mga NASA thread na to hehe. Kung mag-post kse structured Lalo NASA specs ng Chinese cars nila. Nakiki-ride on Lang ako, para me malaman info sa Chinese car, can't even motivate my fingers to go their websites. Dito na nga Lang heheh

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[yebo]

kaso nga pops blinded si TS e, in love talaga sa haima. nakuha sa sales talk ng laus. di na nga sana ako magpo-post dito pero naisip ko yung 2 babies nya. father's instinct.

sumusugal din ako, pero sa casino. sinusugal ko yung kaya kong ipatalo. pag sa kotse ka sumugal, para sa akin ok lang sana kung puri lang ang taya. kaso buhay e, huwag na.

[slapz]

Hmm.. Ibang klasi din pala kayo mag-speculate and insinuate.

Part pa ako ng Laus Group ngayon? Tapos di pa ako mabuting tatay.

yebo and pop3corn, I do my research also, I don't just buy. Although malayo, I am a CPA, and a CFA Candidate, but at least it gives you the idea that I can basically do a Cost Benefit Analysis, and decisions are not entirely based on emotions.

So basically, yung mga gawang China na Buick, Mazda, Ford, or any for that matter is hindi matibay ang bakal, dahil wala silang bakal technology? Ganun ba yun?

If anyone is blinded, I think kayo ata yun. I have yet to make a decision, and you guys are talking that way. I wonder why. Ever had any experience with Chinese Cars?

By the way, ano kaya yung Boron Steel? Marupok kaya ito? Hmmm.. (sarcasm)

Okay sana kung sinasabi niyo na di maganda, is yung Haima brand mismo, kaso hindi eh, based kayo sa Chery or any other Chinese brand for that matter. If you can give me a negative feedback regarding Haima, then we can talk. I am looking for one actually, medyo nahihirapan akong maghanap. So if you could help me, that would be great.

[yebo]

Hmm.. Ibang klasi din pala kayo mag-speculate and insinuate.

Part pa ako ng Laus Group ngayon? Tapos di pa ako mabuting tatay.

slapz,

kahit ilang ulit ko basahin yung post ko wala ako makita na sinabi kong part ka ng laus group. si yourman_2nd yung nakaturo e, di ba may "^" pointing sa kanya. o kahit yung post ni pop3corn, di ikaw tinutukoy nun. iba.

wala din ako makita na sinabi kong bad father ka. ang sabi ko, concern ako sa family mo, kasi primary sa akin safety. bad yun?

i also just shared to you my experience with korean cars when korea was just beginning to make cars in the early 1990s. the same stage china is in now.

i also do not doubt you are well capable of making sound decisions. kaso nga nagtanong ka e, hiningi mo opinion namin. sana unang post mo pa lang sinabi mo na ayaw mo ng opinions na kontra sa opinions mo para di na kami nag-waste ng time dito.

[slapz]

Yes, si pop3corn yung tinutukoy ko na nag-sabi na taga Laus ako:

"obvious naman yebs, na mga salesperson Lang Ito mga NASA thread na to hehe."

Anyway, okay, sorry. Di mo nga sinabi na bad father ako.

What I don't like is you are throwing your opinions on a brand you haven't seen, tested, or drove, which I think is a bit unfair. You have to be particular, like glenn_duke, he's sharing his experiences with Chery Tiggo, and even saying na baka iba na yung Haima, because he haven't seen it yet.

You guys? The whole Chinese Car Industry = Junk, basis? Read or heard somewhere.

[Syuryuken]

Pag chinese car ang sasabihin ng mga makakakita "chinese car lang yan madaling masira" or "mura lang yan" IMHO iba pa rin ang respeto ng tao sa Japanese, Korean, Euro, American cars at wala kang kakaba-kaba saan ka man masiraan siguradong may malapit kang bibilhan ng piyesa.

In the end ikaw pa rin naman magdedesisyon kung anong gusto mong bilhin.

[yebo]

what i can tell you is i have experience with "chinese steel" every day. i work on an oil rig made from chinese steel, with equipment made with chinese steel. the rig was made in singapore, so build quality is very good. very very good, every thing just fits like what it was suppose to. NUNG BAGO. but the steel was imported from china. it is soft and brittle. it rusts faster. pipes also get corroded by sea water faster, sbdc schedule 80 pipes do not even last 6 months. i was on a rig made in 1983 by the same shipyard made with japanese steel, ilang beses nabangga di man lang nabutasan. 3 years ago i was on a rig built with chinese steel, nabangga ng tug boat, 30 foot gash on the side. same with chinese stainless steel. imagine nakatatak, 316 stainless. suppose to be one of the best stainless steels money can buy. pero after 1 year kilakalawang. yes, no mistake there, stainless steel na kinakalawang. stainless steel tubing suppose to be rated for 5000 psi will burst at only 4000 psi. equipment that is american designed, proven reliability as per our experience. what happened, they outsourced from china (may tatak e, "fabrique en chine"). they simply do not even last 50% of what we were used to. same US company brand but outsourced from china.

i do not even want to start with our norwegian designed, proven over the years but now made in china life boat.

yeah, oil rigs and cars are totally different animals. but ...

anyway, hope you the best.

[slapz]

what i can tell you is i have experience with "chinese steel" every day. i work on an oil rig made from chinese steel, with equipment made with chinese steel. the rig was made in singapore, so build quality is very good. very very good, every thing just fits like what it was suppose to. NUNG BAGO. but the steel was imported from china. it is soft and brittle. it rusts faster. pipes also get corroded by sea water faster, sbdc schedule 80 pipes do not even last 6 months. i was on a rig made in 1983 by the same shipyard made with japanese steel, ilang beses nabangga di man lang nabutasan. 3 years ago i was on a rig built with chinese steel, nabangga ng tug boat, 30 foot gash on the side. same with chinese stainless steel. imagine nakatatak, 316 stainless. suppose to be one of the best stainless steels money can buy. pero after 1 year kilakalawang. yes, no mistake there, stainless steel na kinakalawang. stainless steel tubing suppose to be rated for 5000 psi will burst at only 4000 psi. equipment that is american designed, proven reliability as per our experience. what happened, they outsourced from china (may tatak e, "fabrique en chine"). they simply do not even last 50% of what we were used to. same US company brand but outsourced from china.

i do not even want to start with our norwegian designed, proven over the years but now made in china life boat.

yeah, oil rigs and cars are totally different animals. but ...

anyway, hope you the best.

ayan, yan nga mga comments na okay. I honestly don't have respect for people bashing a brand that they didn't experience themselves.

But basically, you are saying na those Cars that would be made in China, they won't last long? Even under proven Brands? Like for Example, the Ford Escape/Maverick, it will be produced in China.

[robot.sonic]

wala pa negative feedback sa haima siguro kasi bago pa nga. di pa siguro lumalabas ang mga problema. kaya ang point ng karamihan sa mga "anti-china" cars dito ay iwasan muna since di pa sure ang quality ng mga kotse nila.

kaya sa ngayon, high risk pa talaga ang china cars para sa akin. ang basis ko ay yung mga negative feedbacks sa ibang china cars. kung di ganon ang haima, e di mabuti.

good luck sa purchase mo brother. im sure tama ang magiging decision mo.

[slapz]

Yep. That's why I am also skeptical about this purchase. But the thing is, I am also reading comments from all over the world. From Uruguay, Vietnam, translated using Google.

Wala lang kasing sense pagusapan dito ang SX4 and Carens, dami ng topic about it, so don't mistake my constant talks about the Haima7 as my decision.

Just an innocent questions, kelan ba malalaman ang reliability ng kotse? Is it after 1000KM? 5000KM? 10000KM?

Pansin ko lang sa mga Chery cars, sa showroom palang, kita na yung unreliability. So how can you check the reliability on a test drive and visual inspection? Punta ako Haima Pampanga bukas, picture picture ko yung mga things to watch out for na babanggitin niyo.

Tapos pala, naalala ko, hindi ako na-Sales Talk, actually, madami akong ayaw sa mga sinasabi nung Agent. The CUV practically made the sales pitch.

[yebo]

But basically, you are saying na those Cars that would be made in China, they won't last long? Even under proven Brands? Like for Example, the Ford Escape/Maverick, it will be produced in China.

i said the same about korean cars made in the early 1990s di ba. i had a kia pride in 1991. i said the steel made by the koreans then fell short of parts made for the ford fiesta (a.k.a. kia pride) by mazda/ford of japan. same car, same year, but one was made in korea and the other made in japan. so i shunned korean cars for the next 16 years. but guess what, i owned a hyundai starex grx in 2007, replaced that with a hyundai GS last year. i also bought a hyundai santa fe in 2009, replaced with a kia sorento 2 months ago. i had a bad experience with my first korean car but i now have trust in korean steel that my last 4 car purchases were korean.

i'll give it maybe another 15-20 years. with the amount of money the chinese have, if they will strive to develop good technology of their own instead of reverse-engineering only and copying (or, as people now say, sottoing) and just producing cheap non-durable goods, yeah maybe then i will buy a chinese car. but not now. sa nakikita ko kasi dito sa work ko, they look good but inside, where it matters, they do not last. US designed na yan, outsourced to them. designs proven by decades already but are now failing us because the materials used is sub-par. as i said no country will give away its metallurgy secrets. strategic secret yan e, metals are what makes tanks, submarines and aircraft carriers.

[slapz]

Makes sense.

Just about the Kia Pride, I own one, and I still see a lot of them around, may KiaPrideClub pa nga, and they are just so damn cheap to maintain, so makes me wonder how to measure reliability.

[yebo]

Makes sense.

Just about the Kia Pride, I own one, and I still see a lot of them around, may KiaPrideClub pa nga, and they are just so damn cheap to maintain, so makes me wonder how to measure reliability.

what year model was your pride? yung sa akin was 1991.

[Ry_Tower]

Makes sense.

Just about the Kia Pride, I own one, and I still see a lot of them around, may KiaPrideClub pa nga, and they are just so damn cheap to maintain, so makes me wonder how to measure reliability.

That does not mean its reliable diba? Yeah it's easy to maintain but more frequent repairs vs cars of same age means it's reliability sucks. Not generelazing ha.

[slapz]

98 yung Kia Pride ko. Refined na siguro ng konti noh?

Eh kung ganun pala, what 800k vehicle you can recommend that is at least as big as the Haima7? Hay Innova/Crosswind/Adventure...

[dct]

98 yung Kia Pride ko. Refined na siguro ng konti noh?

Eh kung ganun pala, what 800k vehicle you can recommend that is at least as big as the Haima7? Hay Innova/Crosswind/Adventure...

you're already considering these? but seriously, these are the best choice

[CoDer]

98 yung Kia Pride ko. Refined na siguro ng konti noh?

Eh kung ganun pala, what 800k vehicle you can recommend that is at least as big as the Haima7? Hay Innova/Crosswind/Adventure...

Nadali mo ang other options brad.

Spend your 800K hard earned money to known brand.