best pickup in the philippine market now

[odell]

strada *new vgt engine

hilux *new face lifted

ranger existing

I need an AT, for everyday driving.

I would pick the top of the line models of which.

What are your inputs regarding the said units?

[hinDMaxsiado]

strada *new vgt engine

hilux *new face lifted

Sir, HONESTLY, "new" engine is just a by-word with one of these competing companies, and it's just a marketing ploy.... You may deduce from this excerpt at the other thread.

....Mas di hamak naman sir Retz na old ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine ng Fortuner 3.0 D-4D at MAS LALO na ang jurassic na Mitsubishi 4D56 engine na sinalpakan lang ng VGT sa Montero Sport GT-V
....

Both the Forty and Monty share the same engines respectively with the Hilux and Strada....

And by any account, mas bago pa ang Toyota 1KD-FTV engine. It is actually one of the first to set the standards for diesel CRDi engines with VGT/VNT. This is the same engine you see in our current Philippine-issue Fortuner 3.0 D-4D, Hilux 3.0 D-4D and Prado. It came out in 2001 and it was already VGT/VNT equipped way back then.

The OTHER company is actually JUST CATCHING UP what Toyota has laid out before, and bent on projecting to all of us that it is a new engine, that's why there's just so many variants out there for the same pickup and SUV that the company is selling for the Philippine-market haha! ....However, many are swayed to believe. But it is only here in Philippines, not anymore elsewhere, that it was able to do so successfully

Don't you wanna wait for the incoming 2.2-litre or 3.2-litre penta-cylinder all-new 2012 Ford Ranger coming this 1st quarter of 2012?

[ghosthunter]

strada *new vgt engine

hilux *new face lifted

ranger existing

I need an AT, for everyday driving.

I would pick the top of the line models of which.

What are your inputs regarding the said units?

Having driven them, I still prefer the Mitsubishi Strada for one major reason, the more comfortable ride. The engine might be jurassic as some people might put it but the 2.5L variable turbo works and works great for the local conditions and fuel type. The styling isn't bad either because I just love the Strada's external styling which make it look muscular.



The interior of the Strada is a bit less than what you can with the Hilux but it's not that much better/worst than the other. The only reason it might be slightly worst is the acres of black plastic, given the alternative would be faux wood, I would prefer the black plastic any day.

[hinDMaxsiado]

The engine might be jurassic as some people might put it but the 2.5L variable turbo works and works great for the local conditions and fuel type.

Sir mod, medyo bola naman yan sir.... Di ba kakasabi mo lang nito sa kabilang thread?

2011 Mitsubishi Montero Sport
....The ride is comfy but slightly bouncy at higher speeds (exceeding 100kph) on uneven roads. The new 2.5T engine feels SOMEWHAT SLOW to accelerate but actual acceleration numbers say the opposite, it's faster than the Fortuner. Maybe it's the smoother power delivery from the variable turbo engine....

Pare-pareho naman tayong nakaka-manejo ng mga Strada or Triton dito sa trabajo ko, maging Montero Sport or Pajero Sport dito din sa trabajo ko, pero naman sir, paminsan-minsan, umamin naman gaya nang pag-amin mo kamakailan lang hehe

Totoo naman na soft, even anemic, ang Strada power below 2000 rpm. Hahataw lang yan anything above it.... Mas mainam naman 3.0-litre Hilux D-4D kahit saan may hagod from low rpm to mid- to high-rpm lalo na sa mga akyatan.... At hindi bago makina niyan sir, kahit bali-baligtarin natin, 4D56 pa rin yan na sinalpakan lang ng VGT at bago na daw

Besides, it's only macho for some people ---- it is the only pickup out there trying to look every bit modern that it is too slopey, and slopey in a funny way, it's even egg-shaped.... Pangit din ang overall frontal at peripheral visions when you're driving the Strada or Triton, especially at night time and in crowded places.... Kailangan mong lumapit pa sa manibela to see people suddenly crosswing the road at will because the windshield side panels of this pickup are just slopey, but not any worse like the Innova. Mas maaliwalas ang mga boxy-type pickups like the Hilux, Navara, Ranger, DMax, BT-50 where they provide better frontal and peripheral coverage for the driver....

Bilib pa naman ako sa iyo sir dahil isa kang magiting na moderator ;)

[ghosthunter]

Pare-pareho naman tayong nakaka-manejo ng mga Strada or Triton dito sa trabajo ko, maging Montero Sport or Pajero Sport dito din sa trabajo ko, pero naman sir, paminsan-minsan, umamin naman gaya na ng pag-amin mo kamakailan lang hehe

Totoo naman na anemic ang Strada power below 2000 rpm. Hahataw lang yan anything above it.... Mas mainam naman 3.0-litre Hilux D-4D kahit saan may hagod from low rpm to mid- to high-rpm lalo na sa mga akyatan.... At hindi bago makina niyan sir, kahit bali-baligtarin natin, 4D56 pa rin yan na sinalpakan lang ng VGT at bago na daw

Besides, it's only macho for some people ---- it is the only pickup out there trying to look every bit modern that it is too slopey, and slopey in a funny way, it's even egg-shaped.... Pangit din ang overall frontal at peripheral visions when you're driving the Strada or Triton, especially at night time and in crowded places.... Kailangan mong lumapit pa sa manibela to see people suddenly crosswing the road at will because the windshield side panels of this pickup are just slopey, but not any worse like the Innova. Mas maaliwalas ang mga boxy-type pickups like the Hilux, Navara, Ranger, DMax, BT-50 where they provide better frontal and peripheral coverage for the driver....

Bilib pa naman ako sa iyo sir dahil isa kang magiting na moderator ;)

Like I said in another thread, the over-stiff suspension (which threatens to crack my spine with every pothole I drive over during my test drive) is a deal breaker for me if I was buying the the TOYOTA HILUX.

And so what if I am a moderator here? Does it change anything with my driving opinion of the HILUX and STRADA I have posted?

As for the looks, you say it's only macho but looks (or pogi points) does make a difference when it comes to selling the vehicle. IF not, why do we even bother styling cars like the Porsche, BMW, Mitsu EVO, and others? Why do we bother doing aftermarket modifications for looks alone? It is because (whatever you can say) looks does matter.

[hinDMaxsiado]

Like I said in another thread, the over-stiff suspension (which threatens to crack my spine with every pothole I drive over during my test drive) is a deal breaker for me if I was buying the the TOYOTA HILUX.

And so what if I am a moderator here? Does it change anything with my driving opinion of the HILUX and STRADA I have posted?

At least sir, we now know WHY you're suggesting the Strada ONLY BECAUSE you already have an ATTACHMENT to it as an OWNER (or just a ONE-TIME parachutist opinion maker after 1 ride on both pickups, if i may ask????), but not as one that have used both, including other pickups brands, extensively on-and-offroad on a daily basis, Mondays thru Sundays....

Also, you're inputs that the Strada's old 4D56 that is actually just improved with a VGT is new is NOT honest at all ---- Now lemme return the same question you asked me: Does it change my opinion about the Strada and the Hilux in the same way as a member here?

[ghosthunter]

At least sir, we now know WHY you're suggesting the Strada ONLY BECAUSE you already have an ATTACHMENT to it as an OWNER (or just a ONE-TIME parachutist opinion maker after 1 ride on both pickups, if i may ask????), but not as one that have used both, including other pickups brands, extensively on-and-offroad on a daily basis, Mondays thru Sundays....

Also, you're inputs that the Strada's old 4D56 that is actually just improved with a VGT is new is NOT honest at all ---- Now lemme return the same question you asked me: Does it change my opinion about the Strada and the Hilux in the same way as a member here?

I am posting my opinions based on my test drive as one of the evaluators for the annual Car of the Year awards.

To answer your accusation that I am biased because I own one, I do not own a pickup of any sort or model. My answer is my honest UNBIASED answer based on my experience comparatively driving these vehicles. It may not reflect extensive Monday to Sunday driving but even on a short drive, if you know what you want in a vehicle, you can already make useful conclusions for them.

So what makes your biased opinion a better authority of all pickup trucks?

[hinDMaxsiado]

It is because (whatever you can say) looks does matter.

Yeah, i heard yah sir loud-and-clear.... and you just proved my point about you and your idea of good looks ;)

Kaya nga din pala bago na noh para sa iyo sir haha!

[ghosthunter]

Yeah, i heard yah sir loud-and-clear.... and you just proved my point about you and your idea of good looks ;)

Kaya nga din pala bago na noh para sa iyo sir haha!

The concept of "good looks" is as varied as the shapes of clouds in the sky. It is a matter of personal opinion. What looks good to you may look like a pig's ass to another. But in that, it doesn't make one opinion better than the other. It is HOW we handle other peoples opinion that makes us better than one who be-little the opinions of others which do not agree with his own.

Respect is earned, not given.

It is obvious you are biased for the another brand of pickup and it shows too all well.

[niky]

The current Ranger is powerful, has a great transmission and a great LSD. It's a good truck for rough roading, with a long bed and a good payload capacity, but it's not the most comfortable brick to sit on. The rear bench is also pretty bad.

The D-Max, more comfortable, but old-fashioned engine tech and driving dynamics.

The Hilux has improved slightly, but the ride is still jittery and while the 3 liter engine is still good, just four speeds isn't going to cut it against the Ranger, Navara and Strada. The interior is also pretty dated, despite the facelift. Only thing nice I can say about the Hilux besides the good low-rpm push is that the handling is still pretty good.

The Navara has lots of top-end power, but the low-rpm lag is pretty bad. It has the best driving dynamics of the lot (next to the Ranger/BT50) and the ride is pretty good. Aircon is, obviously, excellent, but some owners complain about the compressor clunk. I would have put this on top of the list, but the Strada is almost as good in some ways, better than others, and the one big ace the Navara had over the Strada (power) has been answered by the new engines.

The Strada is the best on-road truck nowadays. The back seat and ride are better than most, while driving dynamics don't suffer much (with the 4x4 model). The transmission is relatively responsive (though I feel the Ranger's AT is more responsive still) and the engine gives you more top-end zing than the Navara while not giving up much bottom-end torque to the Ranger and Hilux. Until the new Ranger comes in (I won't be convinced by the Colorado till I drive it), the Strada is the default choice.