2nd hand SUV/AUV

[grcr4mms]

I recently had an accident with my honda city 2002 vtec and my rear end was hit by a big SUV. Thank God my kids were not with me as I usually put them at the back. I was happy with my car but I am currently thinking of replacing it with a bigger 2nd hand SUV/AUV. I know it is not the right time to buy a bigger SUV/AUV with the rising fuel cost but I realized sometimes you can't avoid accidents and medyo dehado tlaga and mas maliit na sasakyan compared to bigger ones when it does happen and I am thinking safety of my kids.

I am thinking at the range of around P400,000 and my choices are CRV, RAV4, Crosswind XUV. Any other suggestions? I drive M/T but also thinking of shifting to A/T. I like the look of the 2nd gen RAV4 (smallest of the 3 but I only have 2 kids), but I heard the 2nd gen CRV is more fuel efficient, but the crosswind I think is the toughest. I wonder which of them also is the easiest to maintain and easiest for me to manuever (car like ride?)?

[GTi]

For a good family vehicle I would suggest you get the Starex Turbo Intercooler. If you can stretch the budget to around 500k, then the you can get the SVX CRDi variant.

[mda_]

I recently had an accident with my honda city 2002 vtec and my rear end was hit by a big SUV. Thank God my kids were not with me as I usually put them at the back. I was happy with my car but I am currently thinking of replacing it with a bigger 2nd hand SUV/AUV. I know it is not the right time to buy a bigger SUV/AUV with the rising fuel cost but I realized sometimes you can't avoid accidents and medyo dehado tlaga and mas maliit na sasakyan compared to bigger ones when it does happen and I am thinking safety of my kids.

I am thinking at the range of around P400,000 and my choices are CRV, RAV4, Crosswind XUV. Any other suggestions? I drive M/T but also thinking of shifting to A/T. I like the look of the 2nd gen RAV4 (smallest of the 3 but I only have 2 kids), but I heard the 2nd gen CRV is more fuel efficient, but the crosswind I think is the toughest. I wonder which of them also is the easiest to maintain and easiest for me to manuever (car like ride?)?

the 2nd gen CRV M/T is pretty fuel efficient compared to the A/T. this should fit within your budget (2002-2003 pre-facelift models). It has better safety features compared to the crosswind XUV and more comfortable for your family. i can't say anything about the RAV4 though, i've only driven one once. i think the CRV is a bit more spacious

[mda]

If you're looking at passenger safety, then it's not in the size of the car but one that has been better engineered.

Even the latest honda jazz has scored pretty well in crash tests.

[GTi]

If you're looking at a +-400k SUV/AUV, then you would surely miss the performance of your pocket rocket City VTEC. I would suggest against getting gas SUVs (like CRV, Rav4, Escape, etc.) or AUVs (Revo 1.8, 2.0, Adventure 2.0) as these are huge guzzlers due to the large engine displacement and heavy vehicle weight and a fuel mileage of around 5-6km/L city driving would be boring a hole on your wallet soon enough. I find the Crosswind XUV impractical. This one's got very high resale value but poor performance and ride comfort even if compared to the lighter and lower XL, XT, XTi variants. If you're bent on getting the Crosswind, I'd suggest you get the XTO variant (top of the line variant of the pre-facelift Crosswind before the XUV came out). But aside from your choices I'd still suggest the Starex which gives you excellent ride comfort, ability to seat 10 real, full sized people (and not 6 adults and 4 kids like in the Crosswind. ) which should mean more bang for your buck, as well as the practicality that comes with having a diesel engine (be it old school or modern).

[mda_]

I recently had an accident with my honda city 2002 vtec and my rear end was hit by a big SUV. Thank God my kids were not with me as I usually put them at the back. I was happy with my car but I am currently thinking of replacing it with a bigger 2nd hand SUV/AUV. I know it is not the right time to buy a bigger SUV/AUV with the rising fuel cost but I realized sometimes you can't avoid accidents and medyo dehado tlaga and mas maliit na sasakyan compared to bigger ones when it does happen and I am thinking safety of my kids.

I am thinking at the range of around P400,000 and my choices are CRV, RAV4, Crosswind XUV. Any other suggestions? I drive M/T but also thinking of shifting to A/T. I like the look of the 2nd gen RAV4 (smallest of the 3 but I only have 2 kids), but I heard the 2nd gen CRV is more fuel efficient, but the crosswind I think is the toughest. I wonder which of them also is the easiest to maintain and easiest for me to manuever (car like ride?)?

the 2nd gen CRV M/T is pretty fuel efficient compared to the A/T. this should fit within your budget (2002-2003 pre-facelift models). It has better safety features compared to the crosswind XUV and more comfortable for your family. i can't say anything about the RAV4 though, i've only driven one once. i think the CRV is a bit more spacious

[Ry_Tower]

Get a gen 2 pajero, If you can up the budget, FM paj na 4x2 MT. takot lang ng babangga sa'yo. Joke lang.

[grcr4mms]

If you're looking at passenger safety, then it's not in the size of the car but one that has been better engineered.

Even the latest honda jazz has scored pretty well in crash tests.

What about the previous honda jazz? Does it score pretty well in crash tests also?

[grcr4mms]

If you're looking at a +-400k SUV/AUV, then you would surely miss the performance of your pocket rocket City VTEC. I would suggest against getting gas SUVs (like CRV, Rav4, Escape, etc.) or AUVs (Revo 1.8, 2.0, Adventure 2.0) as these are huge guzzlers due to the large engine displacement and heavy vehicle weight and a fuel mileage of around 5-6km/L city driving would be boring a hole on your wallet soon enough. I find the Crosswind XUV impractical. This one's got very high resale value but poor performance and ride comfort even if compared to the lighter and lower XL, XT, XTi variants. If you're bent on getting the Crosswind, I'd suggest you get the XTO variant (top of the line variant of the pre-facelift Crosswind before the XUV came out). But aside from your choices I'd still suggest the Starex which gives you excellent ride comfort, ability to seat 10 real, full sized people (and not 6 adults and 4 kids like in the Crosswind. ) which should mean more bang for your buck, as well as the practicality that comes with having a diesel engine (be it old school or modern).

I agree Starex is practical and I can easily find one within my budget but I don't have a driver, and I will be driving it myself, half the time alone. Also, I want a hassle free parking. I'm putting Crosswind at the bottom of my list.

[mda]

What about the previous honda jazz? Does it score pretty well in crash tests also?

According to wikipedia, it's pretty good.

The glaring problem I see is that there isn't a lot of tests done on rear impact situations. Maybe some of those more knowledgeable with the topic can enlighten us on this.

*IF* the car can take rear impact as well as the front, then the jazz is pretty safe anyway.

The problem with older cars is that these are usually made with very rigid metal frames which transmit the force of the impact straight to the passengers, which isn't good. With newer cars designed with crumple zones, mayuyupi yung harap/likod but this should effectively absorb the bulk of the impact and minimize the force experienced by the passengers.

[jang]

According to wikipedia, it's pretty good.

The glaring problem I see is that there isn't a lot of tests done on rear impact situations. Maybe some of those more knowledgeable with the topic can enlighten us on this.

*IF* the car can take rear impact as well as the front, then the jazz is pretty safe anyway.

The problem with older cars is that these are usually made with very rigid metal frames which transmit the force of the impact straight to the passengers, which isn't good. With newer cars designed with crumple zones, mayuyupi yung harap/likod but this should effectively absorb the bulk of the impact and minimize the force experienced by the passengers.

Crash test results can't be compared across different weight categories. An SUV will always come out ahead in a collision with a compact car.

"It is important to note as with the NHTSA's frontal impact test, vehicles across different weight categories may not be directly compared. This is because the heavier vehicle is generally considered to have an advantage if it encounters a lighter vehicle or is involved in a single-vehicle crash. The IIHS demonstrated this by crashing three midsize sedans with three smaller Good rated minicars. All three minicars were rated "Poor" in these special offset head-on car-to-car tests, while the midsize cars rated "Good" or "Acceptable."" -from wikipedia

[mda]

Crash test results can't be compared across different weight categories. An SUV will always come out ahead in a collision with a compact car.

"It is important to note as with the NHTSA's frontal impact test, vehicles across different weight categories may not be directly compared. This is because the heavier vehicle is generally considered to have an advantage if it encounters a lighter vehicle or is involved in a single-vehicle crash. The IIHS demonstrated this by crashing three midsize sedans with three smaller Good rated minicars. All three minicars were rated "Poor" in these special offset head-on car-to-car tests, while the midsize cars rated "Good" or "Acceptable."" -from wikipedia

And there I stand corrected. Now we need a comparo between relatively older SUVs/AUVs and newer but smaller cars.

[dinJ]

Aside from those mentioned, you could also try considering a Nissan x-trail 04-05 model, though you might want to stretch your budget a bit (30-50k).

[grcr4mms]

While reading on car safety issues, I just came across this 2003 study:
Are SUVs safer than cars?

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf


Summary of Findings
•Average midsize and large cars have same risk to drivers as average
SUV
•Safest subcompact and compact cars have same risk to driver as
average SUV
•Pickups and SUVs (and minivans) impose high risks on other drivers
because of their incompatibility with cars
•Average subcompact and compact cars have similar combined risk
as average SUV
•Driver behavior influences what we call risk
—low risk to drivers of minivans and high risk to drivers of sports
cars
•Driver *** and age do not appear to influence our main findings by
vehicle model
•However, other driver characteristics or environmental conditions
(rather than vehicle design) may explain some of our findings
•Quality of vehicle design appears to be a better predictor of risk than
vehicle weight

[grcr4mms]

While reading on car safety issues, I just came across this 2003 study:
Are SUVs safer than cars?

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf


Summary of Findings
•Average midsize and large cars have same risk to drivers as average
SUV
•Safest subcompact and compact cars have same risk to driver as
average SUV
•Pickups and SUVs (and minivans) impose high risks on other drivers
because of their incompatibility with cars
•Average subcompact and compact cars have similar combined risk
as average SUV
•Driver behavior influences what we call risk
—low risk to drivers of minivans and high risk to drivers of sports
cars
•Driver *** and age do not appear to influence our main findings by
vehicle model
•However, other driver characteristics or environmental conditions
(rather than vehicle design) may explain some of our findings
•Quality of vehicle design appears to be a better predictor of risk than
vehicle weight

I am more confused as what to replace my honda city. Maybe I should also consider buying a minivan? Probably something smaller than a Starex?

[armscor40]

minivan - kia carnival perhaps could be an ideal choice considering its also fuel efficient, easy maintain and cheap parts to boot of course a bit smaller than a starex w/c is korean brand also...

what about mitsu spacegear w/ the diesel variant...or the Revo VX240D for the AUV...

at least all this vehicles cater to your budget limitation...HTH.

[GTi]

In fairness, the length of the Starex is shorter than or similar to the length of an average midsize sedan of the same generation (late 90s and early 2000s). Its just that the hood is short while prioritizing the cabin which makes it look as if it was really big when it fact its dimensions are actually quite similar to the Crosswind XUV and most minivans at that price range (Venture, Carnival) are actually longer. The two mentioned minivans score high in NHTSA crash tests too if you are considering them. But the Venture is a big guzzler and the Carnival has issues with its A/T which is known to be very problematic (M/T Carnivals sell for higher prices). The Estima (Previa) from Japan surplus may also fit your budget but then again it uses a 3.0V6 engine so...

[grcr4mms]

minivan - kia carnival perhaps could be an ideal choice considering its also fuel efficient, easy maintain and cheap parts to boot of course a bit smaller than a starex w/c is korean brand also...

what about mitsu spacegear w/ the diesel variant...or the Revo VX240D for the AUV...

at least all this vehicles cater to your budget limitation...HTH.

Now that you mentioned Kia Carnival, it seems to be a good choice. It has good safety features, fuel efficient and within my budget. My only concern is if it would be too bulky for a mom like me to drive and would a 2001 model hard to maintain (compared to other 10 yr old vehicles e.g. 2001 CRV). Are those imported Carnival/ Sedona safe (considering it's not converted) and as easy/hard to maintain as the local ones?

[grcr4mms]

In fairness, the length of the Starex is shorter than or similar to the length of an average midsize sedan of the same generation (late 90s and early 2000s). Its just that the hood is short while prioritizing the cabin which makes it look as if it was really big when it fact its dimensions are actually quite similar to the Crosswind XUV and most minivans at that price range (Venture, Carnival) are actually longer. The two mentioned minivans score high in NHTSA crash tests too if you are considering them. But the Venture is a big guzzler and the Carnival has issues with its A/T which is known to be very problematic (M/T Carnivals sell for higher prices). The Estima (Previa) from Japan surplus may also fit your budget but then again it uses a 3.0V6 engine so...

I believe the Carnival though longer (and wider?) than the Starex, drives more like a car. I would have to look for M/T then if ever I decide on a Carnival.

I am also considering Hyundai Matrix CRDi (fuel efficient, within my budget, newer than carnival/ crv) but it has no added safety features. Still.... I think it is comparable to a midsize sedan/CUV which is generally safer than a subcompact like my city.

[GTi]

I believe the Carnival though longer (and wider?) than the Starex, drives more like a car. I would have to look for M/T then if ever I decide on a Carnival.

I am also considering Hyundai Matrix CRDi (fuel efficient, within my budget, newer than carnival/ crv) but it has no added safety features. Still.... I think it is comparable to a midsize sedan/CUV which is generally safer than a subcompact like my city.

Yes indeed, the Carnival is more refined, more comfortable and more powerful than the Starex. I'm not sure if the issue with the Carnival's A/T is blown up out of proportion but I believe its best to stick with M/T to be sure. Besides, A/T Carnivals are known for having poor fuel mileage. As for safety, be rest assured as the Carnival gets 5 star ratings from the US NHTSA. But be sure to get a well maintained unit and have it extensively checked by a skilled mechanic.

Yes, the Matrix is also a good choice. It shares the same engine as the daredevil Accent CRDi cabs which goes without saying that its even faster and thriftier than the Carnival though it is of course less practical due to being only able to seat five people. And yes the lack of safety features may be a turnoff for some (but not for me). The body size is rather queer though, the length is shorter than the average subcompact sedan but the width and height is similar to that of MPVs.