2nd hand SUV/AUV

[grcr4mms]

While reading on car safety issues, I just came across this 2003 study:
Are SUVs safer than cars?

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf


Summary of Findings
•Average midsize and large cars have same risk to drivers as average
SUV
•Safest subcompact and compact cars have same risk to driver as
average SUV
•Pickups and SUVs (and minivans) impose high risks on other drivers
because of their incompatibility with cars
•Average subcompact and compact cars have similar combined risk
as average SUV
•Driver behavior influences what we call risk
—low risk to drivers of minivans and high risk to drivers of sports
cars
•Driver *** and age do not appear to influence our main findings by
vehicle model
•However, other driver characteristics or environmental conditions
(rather than vehicle design) may explain some of our findings
•Quality of vehicle design appears to be a better predictor of risk than
vehicle weight

[grcr4mms]

While reading on car safety issues, I just came across this 2003 study:
Are SUVs safer than cars?

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf


Summary of Findings
•Average midsize and large cars have same risk to drivers as average
SUV
•Safest subcompact and compact cars have same risk to driver as
average SUV
•Pickups and SUVs (and minivans) impose high risks on other drivers
because of their incompatibility with cars
•Average subcompact and compact cars have similar combined risk
as average SUV
•Driver behavior influences what we call risk
—low risk to drivers of minivans and high risk to drivers of sports
cars
•Driver *** and age do not appear to influence our main findings by
vehicle model
•However, other driver characteristics or environmental conditions
(rather than vehicle design) may explain some of our findings
•Quality of vehicle design appears to be a better predictor of risk than
vehicle weight

I am more confused as what to replace my honda city. Maybe I should also consider buying a minivan? Probably something smaller than a Starex?

[armscor40]

minivan - kia carnival perhaps could be an ideal choice considering its also fuel efficient, easy maintain and cheap parts to boot of course a bit smaller than a starex w/c is korean brand also...

what about mitsu spacegear w/ the diesel variant...or the Revo VX240D for the AUV...

at least all this vehicles cater to your budget limitation...HTH.

[grcr4mms]

minivan - kia carnival perhaps could be an ideal choice considering its also fuel efficient, easy maintain and cheap parts to boot of course a bit smaller than a starex w/c is korean brand also...

what about mitsu spacegear w/ the diesel variant...or the Revo VX240D for the AUV...

at least all this vehicles cater to your budget limitation...HTH.

Now that you mentioned Kia Carnival, it seems to be a good choice. It has good safety features, fuel efficient and within my budget. My only concern is if it would be too bulky for a mom like me to drive and would a 2001 model hard to maintain (compared to other 10 yr old vehicles e.g. 2001 CRV). Are those imported Carnival/ Sedona safe (considering it's not converted) and as easy/hard to maintain as the local ones?

[GTi]

In fairness, the length of the Starex is shorter than or similar to the length of an average midsize sedan of the same generation (late 90s and early 2000s). Its just that the hood is short while prioritizing the cabin which makes it look as if it was really big when it fact its dimensions are actually quite similar to the Crosswind XUV and most minivans at that price range (Venture, Carnival) are actually longer. The two mentioned minivans score high in NHTSA crash tests too if you are considering them. But the Venture is a big guzzler and the Carnival has issues with its A/T which is known to be very problematic (M/T Carnivals sell for higher prices). The Estima (Previa) from Japan surplus may also fit your budget but then again it uses a 3.0V6 engine so...

[grcr4mms]

In fairness, the length of the Starex is shorter than or similar to the length of an average midsize sedan of the same generation (late 90s and early 2000s). Its just that the hood is short while prioritizing the cabin which makes it look as if it was really big when it fact its dimensions are actually quite similar to the Crosswind XUV and most minivans at that price range (Venture, Carnival) are actually longer. The two mentioned minivans score high in NHTSA crash tests too if you are considering them. But the Venture is a big guzzler and the Carnival has issues with its A/T which is known to be very problematic (M/T Carnivals sell for higher prices). The Estima (Previa) from Japan surplus may also fit your budget but then again it uses a 3.0V6 engine so...

I believe the Carnival though longer (and wider?) than the Starex, drives more like a car. I would have to look for M/T then if ever I decide on a Carnival.

I am also considering Hyundai Matrix CRDi (fuel efficient, within my budget, newer than carnival/ crv) but it has no added safety features. Still.... I think it is comparable to a midsize sedan/CUV which is generally safer than a subcompact like my city.

[GTi]

I believe the Carnival though longer (and wider?) than the Starex, drives more like a car. I would have to look for M/T then if ever I decide on a Carnival.

I am also considering Hyundai Matrix CRDi (fuel efficient, within my budget, newer than carnival/ crv) but it has no added safety features. Still.... I think it is comparable to a midsize sedan/CUV which is generally safer than a subcompact like my city.

Yes indeed, the Carnival is more refined, more comfortable and more powerful than the Starex. I'm not sure if the issue with the Carnival's A/T is blown up out of proportion but I believe its best to stick with M/T to be sure. Besides, A/T Carnivals are known for having poor fuel mileage. As for safety, be rest assured as the Carnival gets 5 star ratings from the US NHTSA. But be sure to get a well maintained unit and have it extensively checked by a skilled mechanic.

Yes, the Matrix is also a good choice. It shares the same engine as the daredevil Accent CRDi cabs which goes without saying that its even faster and thriftier than the Carnival though it is of course less practical due to being only able to seat five people. And yes the lack of safety features may be a turnoff for some (but not for me). The body size is rather queer though, the length is shorter than the average subcompact sedan but the width and height is similar to that of MPVs.

[renzo_d10]

Yes indeed, the Carnival is more refined, more comfortable and more powerful than the Starex. I'm not sure if the issue with the Carnival's A/T is blown up out of proportion but I believe its best to stick with M/T to be sure. Besides, A/T Carnivals are known for having poor fuel mileage. As for safety, be rest assured as the Carnival gets 5 star ratings from the US NHTSA. But be sure to get a well maintained unit and have it extensively checked by a skilled mechanic.

Yes, the Matrix is also a good choice. It shares the same engine as the daredevil Accent CRDi cabs which goes without saying that its even faster and thriftier than the Carnival though it is of course less practical due to being only able to seat five people. And yes the lack of safety features may be a turnoff for some (but not for me). The body size is rather queer though, the length is shorter than the average subcompact sedan but the width and height is similar to that of MPVs.

+1 sa Carnival M/T

Manual = Less maintenance.

And I woudn't really buy a 2nd hand A/T car `cause most of the time, we're not sure how was it used .. or rather, abused.

Point out ko lang rin. Although the Accent looks small from the outside, better check & sit inside. It's quite big. Well at least ... bigger than what should be expected by just looking at the overall size of the car.

[grcr4mms]

Yes indeed, the Carnival is more refined, more comfortable and more powerful than the Starex. I'm not sure if the issue with the Carnival's A/T is blown up out of proportion but I believe its best to stick with M/T to be sure. Besides, A/T Carnivals are known for having poor fuel mileage. As for safety, be rest assured as the Carnival gets 5 star ratings from the US NHTSA. But be sure to get a well maintained unit and have it extensively checked by a skilled mechanic.

Yes, the Matrix is also a good choice. It shares the same engine as the daredevil Accent CRDi cabs which goes without saying that its even faster and thriftier than the Carnival though it is of course less practical due to being only able to seat five people. And yes the lack of safety features may be a turnoff for some (but not for me). The body size is rather queer though, the length is shorter than the average subcompact sedan but the width and height is similar to that of MPVs.

If I find the Carnival too big and hard to maneuver (too much hassle turning and parking), I'd probably go for the Matrix since I have no problem of it seating only 5 people, and it's as you say thriftier (faster is not an issue for me).

[GTi]

If I find the Carnival too big and hard to maneuver (too much hassle turning and parking), I'd probably go for the Matrix since I have no problem of it seating only 5 people, and it's as you say thriftier (faster is not an issue for me).

Well if a five seater is enough for you and also if the lack of safety features like airbags and ABS doesn't concern you (like me), and also if its weird looking shape is fine with you, then take it. It is a thrifty and fast vehicle after all.

I'm against the APV too, the engine is too weak for both the engine's size and the whole car's size. Cmon! 91hp from a 1.6L engine?! And a 1.6L engine in an 8 seater vehicle?! Its completely lacking in both power AND fuel efficiency.

Oh, and TS means thread starter.

[Gecko Guy]

Get a 2nd hand Everest -- built tough and safe na safe ka.

[GTi]

Get a 2nd hand Everest -- built tough and safe na safe ka.

Good car, but I don't think we'll be able to find the TS one that costs just 400k...

[scharnhorst]

medyo hindi maganda yung door hinges ng isuzu crosswind... lumalawlaw after several years

just a note since the TS is gunning for a 2ndhand vehicle with lots of miles on it

[Gecko Guy]

Good car, but I don't think we'll be able to find the TS one that costs just 400k...

Yun nga lang
For that budget I'll go with the Carnival then...sarap ng ride at ang luwag pa

[gmgsport]

I just would like to know from your point of view guys, which would you prefer?japanese or korean made vehicles be it an SUV/AUV?a lot of korean made vehicles are recently making it in the market today. they have high-tech & more powerful crdi engines with more safety & comfort features.no question about the speed & power of the engine but when it comes to reliability will they surpass those japanese brands.how far would they go?how about the re-sale value?

[GTi]

If what you mean are brand new Korean vehicles then yes, I would prefer the Korean. Many Japanese vehicles that are here in our country are not actually even sold in Japan or most first world countries. The aforementioned cars are mostly made in Thailand and engineered for the third world market. And so these are obviously of lesser status and more unrefined as compared to the Korean vehicles sold here of which most if not all are sold internationally and conform to the highest safety, comfort and luxury standards of the most scrutinizing markets. Nowadays, Korean cars have very high resale values as well, at par with or even higher than those of its Japanese rivals. As for reliability, we would still have to see about that as the Koreans have only started improving not so long ago, but if you check out the first generation Starex CRDi's you'll see that many have already piled up lots of kilometers on the clock which should say quite a lot about its reliability.

[eljo3025]

+1 sa Carnival M/T

Manual = Less maintenance.

And I woudn't really buy a 2nd hand A/T car `cause most of the time, we're not sure how was it used .. or rather, abused.

Point out ko lang rin. Although the Accent looks small from the outside, better check & sit inside. It's quite big. Well at least ... bigger than what should be expected by just looking at the overall size of the car.

Accent na naman? 2nd HAND SUV/AUV ang thread. Ang accent ba ay 2nd hand at AUV ba o SUV?

Fanboy. Sheesh

I just would like to know from your point of view guys, which would you prefer?japanese or korean made vehicles be it an SUV/AUV?a lot of korean made vehicles are recently making it in the market today. they have high-tech & more powerful crdi engines with more safety & comfort features.no question about the speed & power of the engine but when it comes to reliability will they surpass those japanese brands.how far would they go?how about the re-sale value?

Kung mga 2007 model na Hyundai pataas except sa Starex na kahit 1999 basta Turbo Intercooler pwede pang 2nd hand.

Pero kung Kia in early 2000s? Medyo pinagtatawanan pa rin Kia noon ng mga Pinoys IMHO.

[grcr4mms]

Good car, but I don't think we'll be able to find the TS one that costs just 400k...

Sorry, what does TS mean?

[Ry_Tower]

Sorry, what does TS mean?

NP, thread starter bro.

[asb75]

If your looking for a 2nd hand AUV/SUV, be very careful when buying, need to do some history check. A lot of vehicles are being flooded during "Ondoy" so you don't know if they are service properly after the incident. in reality "What you buy is what you get".