2013 AT - Montero 4x4 vs Santa Fe 4x2 vs Chevrolet Trailblazer 4x4

[beni23]

Nagsisinungaling lang si idol bosing Beni23.... Ang totoo mausok ang 4D56 niya na may namumulang GT-V na emblem

Hayaan mo boss Beni23, sasagutin ko yung post mo, busy lang tayo at ngaun idol ;)

Cheers!

PANGIT MO! :hysterical:

[babynos01]

Hindi ko magets to si dmac.
Ayaw niya sa wiki tapos ginamit niya wiki para i-enumerate ung developments ng 4d56 haha.
Hay nako sir, kahit gaano katagal na makina mo, may it be based from an 80s model, kung maayos naman maintenance mo no problem. We all know this.
Hindi naman porket 80s based yung engine, e yung components hindi binabago. May remodelling yan.

Yung ix35 ng kapitbahay namin * 18K ODO may black smoke din at WOT. Its normal for diesel engines.
2006 Alterra 3.0 niya ganon din, mas evident nga lang.

Can you also explain to us if there are other methods to increase power of diesel engines aside than implementing newer turbos?
Aside from aftermarket parts syempre (chips, intake, etc.) and displacement.

[renzo_d10]

Lahat naman ata ng diesel mageemit at mageemit ng black smoke pag binigla yun hataw

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[Walter]

Lahat naman ata ng diesel mageemit at mageemit ng black smoke pag binigla yun hataw

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Except Isuzu. It's the BEEEEESSSSST ..... :hysterical:

[SiRbossR]

Maganda naman isuzu, but it's not the best out there. May pros and cons din although the cons outweighs the number of pros.

BTT:

The Santa Fe is a very nice car talaga but given the fact that the Trailblazer can compete with it neck to neck and may also outperform it at some points, that's something a buyer should think about. pero it all depends on what your heart really wants.

[bjreyesmd]

Agree that it really depends on what you want. If you want higher ground clearance and can comfortably seat seven, get the TBZ. If you want agility and a car-like ride, SF3 it is.

[numbah5]

Kung makumbinsi ko dad ko, we'll get the SF3 next year. Pero sana ilabas ang SF3 Long Wheelbase with the rumored 2.2 R eVGT desel na twin turbo or twin scroll turbo that churns out 225 ps and 510 Nm of torque. Kung hindi ilalabas yan, pwede na rin yung SWB. Basta KDM kukunin namin. Basta next week, baka makuha na namin TrailB.

[arsen]

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Haha! Diyan ako bilib sa iyo chief eh, on your total reliance is the Wikipedia again, just like in TopGear PH. Nae-edit mga contents ni Wiki bosing ng kahit sino :hysterical: ....Bakit ko alam, eh dami ko na kayang na-edit at Wiki, concerning dirtbikes pa hehe....

No need to google this, dito ka kasi maki-tsismis: Chevy confirms global Colorado pickup for U.S.

Kapag magsesearch ka sa web, gamitan mo muna ng open and close quotation mark para me lumabas na pinaka unique... like this:
"The 2.8 L VM Motori turbodiesel is offered as options outside of U.S. as it does not satisfy the U.S. emission control standards"
Try searching again...

Ganitong statement ba ang naging assurance mo na babalik sa US ang minsan ng binasura?
"Unfortunately, GM isn't saying where the truck will be built or what kind of drivetrain(s) it will offer when it arrives. We have our fingers crossed for the 2.8-liter turbo diesel Duramax four-cylinder engine with 356 pound-feet of torque"

Malamang sa Tier II Bin 8 (effectivity 2007??) bumagsak si VM 2.8... okay meron na improve... sabi mo eh... Pero nag-improve na rin kasi ang EPA naging mas mahigpit na.

Anyway para meron kang konting pag-asa, US EPA gives fleet emission credit to the manufacturer for every zero emission (electric) cars being produced. Such credit are transferable to other models so it can be used by GM para makapagbenta ng iilang units just to make you happy.... hehehe

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....and you'll see it's a different VM Motori or an improved VM Motori powerplant, not the previous year 2007 400-Nm powerplant that Wiki told you so for the all-new global model Chevrolet Colorado that's headed for US (356 lb-ft or 480 Nm torque)....

Dito ka kasi ulit maki-tsismis sa mga official manufacturers website to witch-hunt, not anywhere else chief hehe ---- VM Motori S.p.A.

Could it be the RA428 engine, or even so, the mo-betta A428 engine, all Euro 5 emission compliant engines? Don't know, perhaps you know so.... Ask your trusted Wikipedia to provide you the info

Of course it can comply with Euro 5. Magagawan ng paraan yan ng mga Tech Eng. Example, using a slightly lower torque capacity automatic transmission that has a veto power not to accept everything that engine says...
Pero if that engine is married to a manual tranny, hmmmm ewan... hahah

By the way, sa US, ibang usapan doon... mas ayaw nila sa pollutant na hindi visible sa mata at hindi kayang salain kahit gaano pa kakapal ang nasal hair.

Anyway, while you're at Wikipedia, no need to Google this as well:
Mitsubishi Astron engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your vaunted dinosaur-age year 1986 2.5-litre 4D56 engine started from 75 hp.... As years and 3 decades went by, it was mated with the following:

1. Non-intercooled turbo; to
2. Non-intercooled turbo 1st generation; then to
3. Non-intercooled turbo 2nd generation; then to
4. Intercooled turbo non-CRDi (water-cooled); then
5. Intercooled turbo 1st generation Di-D common-rail; then
6. Intercooled turbo 2nd generation Di-D; and most recently
7. Intercooled turbo so-called 3rd generation Di-D with VGT....

AGAIN, from 75 hp to 178 hp (2.4 times more power, or 240%), PUHUNAN ay BOOSTING, not excuses

Chief, sabi mo pala di ba, with conviction pa hehe, kaya binababaan ang compression ratio ng diesel engine para mas compliant sa emission standards, mainly CO2 kamo na, sama na ang NOx, add na rin hydrocarbons.... Bakit pala binaba na ang compression ratio ni dinosaur-age 4D56 from 21.1 : 1 then to 17.1: 1 then down to 16.5 : 1 for the past 3 decades, tinurbo-charged pati ng limpak-limpak pa, bakit mauusok pa rin?

Nakakatawa pati yung mala ratio-and-proportion mo na pinangalanan mo pang Arsen Mhikk equation sa TopGear PH na bakit 178 hp si 4D56 at 200 hp si Santa Fe.... Magandang huwag nalang patulan :hysterical:

Cheers!

Ayan na naman ang boosting mo... gusto mo dagdagan ko pa ang mga rebuttals ko dun sa TGP? Hindi pa ako tapos dun especially sa mga back pressures mo.

Pati yung power valves at sonic wave na binanggit mo mas maganda na maliwanagan mo kung paano gumagana yun. Contributor ka pa naman sa wiki sabi mo.

Dito galing ang estimation/simple equation
Makikita mo sa SAMPLE instantaneous torque curve (measured between the flywheel and crankshaft) na malaki ang torque na kinakain ng piston doing compression stroke. Umaabot ng 200% (2X) ng measured torque sa flywheel.

Mabawasan mo lang yang torque used to compress the air, malaking gain yan for the maximum torque and maximum power. The practical approach in lowering the power consumption for the compression stroke is to reduce the diameter of the piston.

Kaya nga doon sa TGP, knowing the vital statistics
4D56 : Bore 91.1, stroke 95, 178PS * 4000rpm
R 2.2 : Bore 85.4, stroke 96, 200PS
[and]
using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)
try to estimate the max power of Hyundai R2.2 if the piston diameter is increased to 91.1
try to estimate the max power of Mitsu 4D56 if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh

new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2
for 4D56, estimated new max power = 178 x (91.1^2)/(85.4^2) = ??
for R2.2, estimated new max power = 200 x (85.4^2)/(91.1^2) = ??

[ano727]

*arsen, medyo nosebleed. hehehe

Sa aming mga di masyadong nakakasunod, ano po ibig sabihin nung data and charts na mentioned mo? Thanks.

[d_mac]

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[d_mac]

Kaya nga doon sa TGP, knowing the vital statistics
4D56 : Bore 91.1, stroke 95, 178PS * 4000rpm
R 2.2 : Bore 85.4, stroke 96, 200PS
[and]
using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)
try to estimate the max power of Hyundai R2.2 if the piston diameter is increased to 91.1
try to estimate the max power of Mitsu 4D56 if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh

new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2
for 4D56, estimated new max power = 178 x (91.1^2)/(85.4^2) = ??
for R2.2, estimated new max power = 200 x (85.4^2)/(91.1^2) = ??

MALI yang sinasabi mo idol Mhikk Arsen....

Puede mo lang gamitin yang mala- ratio-and-proportion mong straight-equation na PINANGALAN mo pang sa iyo bwahehe kung ang dalawang makinang kinukumpara ay parehas lahat mapa-fuel pressure, injection volume, timing, COMPRESSION RATIO, TURBOCHARGING/ COMPRESSED AIR VOLUME, at STROKE LENGTH, kahit magkaiba ang bore sizes nila!

Di naman parehas stroke length ng Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT versus yang mausok na 1996 2.5 4D56 mo na tinurbo-na-ng-turbo ng limpak-limpak sa loob ng 3 decada't, NGUNIT di pa rin matatalo-talo sa lakas ang Santa Fe at mausok pati

Pinipilit mong i-parehas ang 86 mm stroke length sa 85 mm, hindi nga eh

Kung puros lang bore diameter pagbabasihan mo regardless of everything, eh di kumpara mo ang 200 hp na 3.2 4M41 versus sa 200 hp na 2.2 Santa Fe anong back-calculated value mo.... Siempre hindi na akma sa inakala mong na-tsambaham mo kay 4D56 GT-V kumpara kay 2.2 R-eVGT hehe....

Ganitong statement ba ang naging assurance mo na babalik sa US ang minsan ng binasura?
"Unfortunately, GM isn't saying where the truck will be built or what kind of drivetrain(s) it will offer when it arrives. We have our fingers crossed for the 2.8-liter turbo diesel Duramax four-cylinder engine with 356 pound-feet of torque"

Hehehehe, mali na naman haha! Hindi lahat provided diyan haha!

Yung pinagmamalaki mo na Wikipedia link ay taong 2007 pa ang makina noong VM Motori. Bagong developed lang ang Trailblazer diesel version at sa Brazil dineveloped ito, hindi sa Wikipedia dineveloped ito ah hehe.... Maging mga diesel VM Motori engines ngayon ay Euro 5 compliant na lahat at ang all-new Trailblazer ay kakalabas lang ng taong 2012, 5 taon makalipas mangyari yang Wikipedia sensational tsismis natin

Dito ka kasi maki-tsismis, mga diesel engines ng VM Motori na papuntang US at merong din mga VM Motori na dine-developed sa US mismo ---- subsidiary po kasi idol ni General Motors ang VM Motori. Maging ang Chrysler sa US ay VM Motori diesel ang gamit.... Again, HINDI mo makikita yan sa trusted mong Wikipedia hehe....

From 1.7-litre to 3.0-litre V6 VM Motori diesels papunta ng US hehe.... HINDI naman kasi pipitsugin ang VM Motori chief para ma-offer sa US ito, KAHIT pa walang naka-ukit na namumulang GT-V sa kaha nito hehe

Chevrolet Primed for Rising Demand for Diesel Cars

As of March 2012, GM to use VM Motori diesel for the US Chevy Cruze
GM's new 1.7-liter diesel hints at U.S. Chevy Cruze diesel

2013 Diesel Cars in the USA: Here’s the Lineup

Chrysler on the 3.0-litre VM Motori diesel
Chrysler 'EcoDiesel' Engines Set to Debut in US | Hybrid Cars

Dito ka rin kasi maki-tsismis sa official site kahit hindi pa ipanamamalita diyan ang mga latest events ng VM Motori tulad ng continuous development nila for the US market, at para kita mo Euro 5-complaint na makina at vehicle na sinu-supplyan ng VM Motor diesel, hindi kay pareng Wikipedia mo hehe
VM Motori S.p.A.

Cheers idol!

[arsen]

MALI yang sinasabi mo idol Mhikk Arsen....

Puede mo lang gamitin yang mala- ratio-and-proportion mong straight-equation na PINANGALAN mo pang sa iyo bwahehe kung ang dalawang makinang kinukumpara ay parehas lahat mapa-fuel pressure, injection volume, timing, COMPRESSION RATIO, TURBOCHARGING/ COMPRESSED AIR VOLUME, at STROKE LENGTH, kahit magkaiba ang bore sizes nila!

Check mo each... individually... pang cross-check lang yung sa Hyundai R2.2

Naintindihan mo ba talaga to?

4D56 : Bore 91.1, stroke 95, 178PS * 4000rpm

"using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)" (di mo ba gets na the same 4D56?)
"try to estimate the max power of Mitsu 4D56 if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4" (paliitan lang ang piston diameter 91.1 reduced to 85.4)

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh
new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2

for 4D56, estimated new max power = 178 x (91.1^2)/(85.4^2) = ?? hindi mo ba matanggap kung ang estimated ay... 202PS kapag the same configuration and piston is reduced to 85.4??

Ok since allergic ka Mitsu... lets try makina ng Hyundai Starex (D4CB)
D4CB : Bore 91, stroke 96, 170PS * 3800rpm ayan parehas na ng stroke ha

"using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)"
try to estimate the max power of Hyundai D4CB if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh
new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2

for D4CB, estimated new max power = 170 x (91^2)/(85.4^2) = ?? ngayon tanggap mo na ba kung ang estimated ay... 193PS?? 4 PS short sa maximum power ng R2.2 na 197PS... so napakalayo at maling-mali ang estimation ko di ba? Happy now? Hahaha

Pero at least, ngayon meron ka na cguro idea kung anong engine ang unang ginamit to validate the concept of smaller diameter piston in R2.2. Remember Hyundai mentioned of using 450 proto-types before they perfected the R2.2. Ilan kaya dun ang D4CB na sinalpakan ng makapal na liner/sleeve at smaller diameter piston?


Isa pa, hindi mo ba pansin na napakageneric na ng mga fuel injection system. Denso, Bosch, Delphi pareparehas na lang halos ang injection volume at capabilities ng mga yan... dahil yan sa Emission Standards. Yun tatlong yan ay merong definite target and limitation sa kanilang performance dahil sa Emission Regulations.

Di naman parehas stroke length ng Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT versus yang mausok na 1996 2.5 4D56 mo na tinurbo-na-ng-turbo ng limpak-limpak sa loob ng 3 decada't, NGUNIT di pa rin matatalo-talo sa lakas ang Santa Fe at mausok pati

Pinipilit mong i-parehas ang 86 mm stroke length sa 85 mm, hindi nga eh

Kung puros lang bore diameter pagbabasihan mo regardless of everything, eh di kumpara mo ang 200 hp na 3.2 4M41 versus sa 200 hp na 2.2 Santa Fe anong back-calculated value mo.... Siempre hindi na akma sa inakala mong na-tsambaham mo kay 4D56 GT-V kumpara kay 2.2 R-eVGT hehe....

Of course, kailangan pa ba banggitin yan? Nalito ka yata... saan mo pinulot yang 86 at 85? You mean 96 and 95? Napakalaki pala ng deprensya ng 96 and 95, 1mm so hindi pwede eh compare.

Hehehehe, mali na naman haha! Hindi lahat provided diyan haha!

Yung pinagmamalaki mo na Wikipedia link ay taong 2007 pa ang makina noong VM Motori. Bagong developed lang ang Trailblazer diesel version at sa Brazil dineveloped ito, hindi sa Wikipedia dineveloped ito ah hehe.... Maging mga diesel VM Motori engines ngayon ay Euro 5 compliant na lahat at ang all-new Trailblazer ay kakalabas lang ng taong 2012, 5 taon makalipas mangyari yang Wikipedia sensational tsismis natin

Dito ka kasi maki-tsismis, mga diesel engines ng VM Motori na papuntang US at merong din mga VM Motori na dine-developed sa US mismo ---- subsidiary po kasi idol ni General Motors ang VM Motori. Maging ang Chrysler sa US ay VM Motori diesel ang gamit.... Again, HINDI mo makikita yan sa trusted mong Wikipedia hehe....

From 1.7-litre to 3.0-litre V6 VM Motori diesels papunta ng US hehe.... HINDI naman kasi pipitsugin ang VM Motori chief para ma-offer sa US ito, KAHIT pa walang naka-ukit na namumulang GT-V sa kaha nito hehe

Chevrolet Primed for Rising Demand for Diesel Cars

As of March 2012, GM to use VM Motori diesel for the US Chevy Cruze
GM's new 1.7-liter diesel hints at U.S. Chevy Cruze diesel

2013 Diesel Cars in the USA: Here’s the Lineup

Chrysler on the 3.0-litre VM Motori diesel
Chrysler 'EcoDiesel' Engines Set to Debut in US | Hybrid Cars

Dito ka rin kasi maki-tsismis sa official site kahit hindi pa ipanamamalita diyan ang mga latest events ng VM Motori tulad ng continuous development nila for the US market, at para kita mo Euro 5-complaint na makina at vehicle na sinu-supplyan ng VM Motor diesel, hindi kay pareng Wikipedia mo hehe
VM Motori S.p.A.

Cheers idol!

Nagbigay ka ng mga links... pabor sa iyo ang headline tapos kung basahin pala ang laman ng article eh walang kasiguruhan kung makakapasok ang paborito mo na VM 2.8... binalik ko lang sa iyo ang walang wentang tsismis tapos naging ako ang mali? hahaha

Ngayon bibigay-bigay ka na naman ng link... eh hindi naman yan regarding sa VM 2.8.

Yung mga links mo hindi naman makakapagbago sa FACT na lumang design yang VM 2.8... problema mo kasi tsismis ginawang mo na FACT. 2011-2012 designed di ba? hahaha maski VM aminado na 1995... made to order of Chrysler

Yung mga links mo hindi naman makakapagbago sa FACT na bumagsak yang VM 2.8 sa US Emission. Problema mo kasi ang mga FACTs ay against you.... sabi mo kasi napakalinis ng makina na yan...

Hanggang ngayong offered pa rin yan VM 2.8 sa other countries except US.... hahaha
Jeep Wrangler Model Specification | Jeep UK - www.jeep.co.uk

[arsen]

*arsen, medyo nosebleed. hehehe

Sa aming mga di masyadong nakakasunod, ano po ibig sabihin nung data and charts na mentioned mo? Thanks.

Thanks for the interest... unlike dyan sa isang vocal fan ko.... hahaha...
Change ko lang ang reference percentage (Y-axis) para hindi nakakalito.

Ang graph ay example ng mga engine torque measurement result using high resolution measuring device like these
Special_Torque_Sensor.pdf


Di ba usual firing order of engine is 1-3-4-2... so the blue numbers represents the firing order.

Yung declared sa spec sheet ng vehicle, yan na yung mean torque (see blue line * 100%).

Dyan sa graph,
yung mountains (above the blue line) are the examples of torque value produced by each pistons.
yung valleys (below the blue line) are the examples of torque consumptions or the torque needed by the piston to compress the air.

Dyan sa sample graph the valley is -200% (2x) with reference to the mean torque. Ganyan umaabot ang torque na ginagamit sa pagcompress ng air. Pero nababawasan yan sa pamamagitan ng paggamit ng smaller diameter piston.

Mabilis lang ang event na yan kaya kailangan ng high resolution measuring device. For example, sa 2000rpm, all that 4 mountains and 4 valleys are completed in 0.06 seconds. Kaya merong vibration sa makina dahil dyan sa intermittent torque.

[arsen]

MALI yang sinasabi mo idol Mhikk Arsen....

Puede mo lang gamitin yang mala- ratio-and-proportion mong straight-equation na PINANGALAN mo pang sa iyo bwahehe kung ang dalawang makinang kinukumpara ay parehas lahat mapa-fuel pressure, injection volume, timing, COMPRESSION RATIO, TURBOCHARGING/ COMPRESSED AIR VOLUME, at STROKE LENGTH, kahit magkaiba ang bore sizes nila!

Check mo each... individually... pang cross-check lang yung sa Hyundai R2.2

Naintindihan mo ba talaga to?

4D56 : Bore 91.1, stroke 95, 178PS * 4000rpm

"using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)"
try to estimate the max power of Mitsu 4D56 if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh
new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2

for 4D56, estimated new max power = 178 x (91.1^2)/(85.4^2) = ?? hindi mo ba matanggap kung ang estimated ay... 202PS ??


Ok since allergic ka Mitsu... lets try makina ng Hyundai Starex (D4CB)
D4CB : Bore 91, stroke 96, 170PS * 3800rpm ayan parehas na ng stroke ha

"using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)"
try to estimate the max power of Hyundai D4CB if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate using this simple mhikk equation... heheh
new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2

for D4CB, estimated new max power = 170 x (91^2)/(85.4^2) = ?? ngayon tanggap mo na ba kung ang estimated ay... 193PS?? 4 PS short sa maximum power ng R2.2 na 197PS... so napakalayo at maling-mali ang estimation ko di ba? Happy now? Hahaha

Pero at least, ngayon meron ka na cguro idea kung anong engine ang unang ginamit to validate the concept of smaller diameter piston in R2.2. Remember Hyundai mentioned of using 450 proto-types before they perfected the R2.2. Ilan kaya dun ang D4CB na sinalpakan ng makapal na liner/sleeve at smaller diameter piston?


Isa pa, hindi mo ba pansin na napakageneric na ng mga fuel injection system. Denso, Bosch, Delphi pareparehas na lang halos ang injection volume at capabilities ng mga yan... dahil yan sa Emission Standards. Yun tatlong yan ay merong definite target and limitation sa kanilang performance dahil sa Emission Regulations.

Di naman parehas stroke length ng Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT versus yang mausok na 1996 2.5 4D56 mo na tinurbo-na-ng-turbo ng limpak-limpak sa loob ng 3 decada't, NGUNIT di pa rin matatalo-talo sa lakas ang Santa Fe at mausok pati

Pinipilit mong i-parehas ang 86 mm stroke length sa 85 mm, hindi nga eh

Kung puros lang bore diameter pagbabasihan mo regardless of everything, eh di kumpara mo ang 200 hp na 3.2 4M41 versus sa 200 hp na 2.2 Santa Fe anong back-calculated value mo.... Siempre hindi na akma sa inakala mong na-tsambaham mo kay 4D56 GT-V kumpara kay 2.2 R-eVGT hehe....

Of course, kailangan pa ba banggitin yan? Nalito ka yata... saan mo pinulot yang 86 at 85? You mean 96 and 95? Napakalaki pala ng deprensya ng 96 and 95, 1mm so hindi pwede eh compare.

Hehehehe, mali na naman haha! Hindi lahat provided diyan haha!

Yung pinagmamalaki mo na Wikipedia link ay taong 2007 pa ang makina noong VM Motori. Bagong developed lang ang Trailblazer diesel version at sa Brazil dineveloped ito, hindi sa Wikipedia dineveloped ito ah hehe.... Maging mga diesel VM Motori engines ngayon ay Euro 5 compliant na lahat at ang all-new Trailblazer ay kakalabas lang ng taong 2012, 5 taon makalipas mangyari yang Wikipedia sensational tsismis natin

Dito ka kasi maki-tsismis, mga diesel engines ng VM Motori na papuntang US at merong din mga VM Motori na dine-developed sa US mismo ---- subsidiary po kasi idol ni General Motors ang VM Motori. Maging ang Chrysler sa US ay VM Motori diesel ang gamit.... Again, HINDI mo makikita yan sa trusted mong Wikipedia hehe....

From 1.7-litre to 3.0-litre V6 VM Motori diesels papunta ng US hehe.... HINDI naman kasi pipitsugin ang VM Motori chief para ma-offer sa US ito, KAHIT pa walang naka-ukit na namumulang GT-V sa kaha nito hehe

Chevrolet Primed for Rising Demand for Diesel Cars

As of March 2012, GM to use VM Motori diesel for the US Chevy Cruze
GM's new 1.7-liter diesel hints at U.S. Chevy Cruze diesel

2013 Diesel Cars in the USA: Here’s the Lineup

Chrysler on the 3.0-litre VM Motori diesel
Chrysler 'EcoDiesel' Engines Set to Debut in US | Hybrid Cars

Dito ka rin kasi maki-tsismis sa official site kahit hindi pa ipanamamalita diyan ang mga latest events ng VM Motori tulad ng continuous development nila for the US market, at para kita mo Euro 5-complaint na makina at vehicle na sinu-supplyan ng VM Motor diesel, hindi kay pareng Wikipedia mo hehe
VM Motori S.p.A.

Cheers idol!

Nagbigay ka ng mga links... pabor sa iyo ang headline tapos kung basahin pala ang laman ng article eh walang kasiguruhan kung makakapasok ang paborito mo na VM 2.8... binalik ko lang sa iyo ang walang wentang tsismis tapos naging ako ang mali? hahaha

Tapos ngayon bibigay-bigay ka na naman ng link... eh hindi naman yan regarding sa VM 2.8.

Ni isa dyan hindi makakabago sa FACT na lumang design yang VM 2.8... problema mo kasi tsismis ginawang mo na FACT. 2011-2012 designed di ba?

Tapos ni sa dyan hindi naman makakapagbago sa katotohanan na bumagsak yang VM 2.8 sa US Emission. Problema mo kasi ang mga FACTs ay against you.... sabi mo kasi napakalinis ng makina na yan...

Hanggang ngayong offered pa rin yan VM 2.8 sa other countries except US.... hahaha
Jeep Wrangler Model Specification | Jeep UK - www.jeep.co.uk

[ano727]

Thanks for the interest... unlike dyan sa isang vocal fan ko.... hahaha...
Change ko lang ang reference percentage (Y-axis) para hindi nakakalito.

Ang graph ay example ng mga engine torque measurement result using high resolution measuring device like these
Special_Torque_Sensor.pdf


Di ba usual firing order of engine is 1-3-4-2... so the blue numbers represents the firing order.

Yung declared sa spec sheet ng vehicle, yan na yung mean torque (see blue line * 100%).

Dyan sa graph,
yung mountains (above the blue line) are the examples of torque value produced by each pistons.
yung valleys (below the blue line) are the examples of torque consumptions or the torque needed by the piston to compress the air.

Dyan sa sample graph the valley is -200% (2x) with reference to the mean torque. Ganyan umaabot ang torque na ginagamit sa pagcompress ng air. Pero nababawasan yan sa pamamagitan ng paggamit ng smaller diameter piston.

Mabilis lang ang event na yan kaya kailangan ng high resolution measuring device. For example, sa 2000rpm, all that 4 mountains and 4 valleys are completed in 0.06 seconds. Kaya merong vibration sa makina dahil dyan sa intermittent torque.

Thanks for explaining arsen.

So in simple words, what does it mean to the end-user? Is it good or bad? I think iyon ang gusto naming maintindihan.

[arsen]

Thanks for explaining arsen.

So in simple words, what does it mean to the end-user? Is it good or bad? I think iyon ang gusto naming maintindihan.

Can you elaborate your question? Gusto mo bang itanong kung saan mo pwede gamitin ang graph?

[arsen]

MALI yang sinasabi mo idol Mhikk Arsen....

Puede mo lang gamitin yang mala- ratio-and-proportion mong straight-equation na PINANGALAN mo pang sa iyo bwahehe kung ang dalawang makinang kinukumpara ay parehas lahat mapa-fuel pressure, injection volume, timing, COMPRESSION RATIO, TURBOCHARGING/ COMPRESSED AIR VOLUME, at STROKE LENGTH, kahit magkaiba ang bore sizes nila!

Di naman parehas stroke length ng Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT versus yang mausok na 1996 2.5 4D56 mo na tinurbo-na-ng-turbo ng limpak-limpak sa loob ng 3 decada't, NGUNIT di pa rin matatalo-talo sa lakas ang Santa Fe at mausok pati

Pinipilit mong i-parehas ang 86 mm stroke length sa 85 mm, hindi nga eh

Kung puros lang bore diameter pagbabasihan mo regardless of everything, eh di kumpara mo ang 200 hp na 3.2 4M41 versus sa 200 hp na 2.2 Santa Fe anong back-calculated value mo.... Siempre hindi na akma sa inakala mong na-tsambaham mo kay 4D56 GT-V kumpara kay 2.2 R-eVGT hehe....

Would you like to try it sa makina ng Starex CRDI 2.5 VGT? (D4CB)

D4CB : Bore 91, stroke 96, 170PS * 3800rpm (ayan parehas na ng stroke ha)

"using the same engine configuration (fuel pressure, injection volume and timing)"
try to estimate the max power of Hyundai D4CB if the piston diameter is reduced to 85.4 (from 91mm reduced to 85.4mm)

Para hindi na mahirapan pa, you can easily estimate it using this simple mhikk equation... heheh
new max power = current max power x (Area1/Area2), Area = pi/4 (diameter)^2

for D4CB, estimated new max power = 170 x (91^2)/(85.4^2) = ?? 193PS??

Oops 193 lang.... 4 PS short sa maximum power ng R2.2 na 197PS

[arsen]

MALI yang sinasabi mo idol Mhikk Arsen....

Hehehehe, mali na naman haha! Hindi lahat provided diyan haha!

Yung pinagmamalaki mo na Wikipedia link ay taong 2007 pa ang makina noong VM Motori. Bagong developed lang ang Trailblazer diesel version at sa Brazil dineveloped ito, hindi sa Wikipedia dineveloped ito ah hehe.... Maging mga diesel VM Motori engines ngayon ay Euro 5 compliant na lahat at ang all-new Trailblazer ay kakalabas lang ng taong 2012, 5 taon makalipas mangyari yang Wikipedia sensational tsismis natin

Dito ka kasi maki-tsismis, mga diesel engines ng VM Motori na papuntang US at merong din mga VM Motori na dine-developed sa US mismo ---- subsidiary po kasi idol ni General Motors ang VM Motori. Maging ang Chrysler sa US ay VM Motori diesel ang gamit.... Again, HINDI mo makikita yan sa trusted mong Wikipedia hehe....

From 1.7-litre to 3.0-litre V6 VM Motori diesels papunta ng US hehe.... HINDI naman kasi pipitsugin ang VM Motori chief para ma-offer sa US ito, KAHIT pa walang naka-ukit na namumulang GT-V sa kaha nito hehe

Chevrolet Primed for Rising Demand for Diesel Cars

As of March 2012, GM to use VM Motori diesel for the US Chevy Cruze
GM's new 1.7-liter diesel hints at U.S. Chevy Cruze diesel

2013 Diesel Cars in the USA: Here’s the Lineup

Chrysler on the 3.0-litre VM Motori diesel
Chrysler 'EcoDiesel' Engines Set to Debut in US | Hybrid Cars

Dito ka rin kasi maki-tsismis sa official site kahit hindi pa ipanamamalita diyan ang mga latest events ng VM Motori tulad ng continuous development nila for the US market, at para kita mo Euro 5-complaint na makina at vehicle na sinu-supplyan ng VM Motor diesel, hindi kay pareng Wikipedia mo hehe
VM Motori S.p.A.

Cheers idol!

Paki-open na lang yung unang link mo na binigay... yung sabi sa headline ay "Chevy confirms global Colorado pickup for U.S."

Pero kapag binasa mo ang laman ng article... eto naman ang sabi..."Unfortunately, GM isn't saying where the truck will be built or what kind of drivetrain(s) it will offer when it arrives. We have our fingers crossed for the 2.8-liter turbo diesel Duramax four-cylinder engine with 356 pound-feet of torque."

The writer is praying... like you na nananalangin din at napapa harinawa...

Thanks sa mga bagong link.... so alin sa mga yan ang makakapagbago sa history na bumagsak ang VM 2.8 sa Tier II Bin 8 noong 2007?

[ano727]

Can you elaborate your question? Gusto mo bang itanong kung saan mo pwede gamitin ang graph?

Tao lang po, mahina sa graphs and numbers.

Sige, ganito na lang...

Do you recommend TBZ for those of us looking for a good value SUV? Why or why not?

[CoDer]

This thread is now flooded with crap!

Keep it simple.

Montero 4x4... Why?
Sta. Fe 4x2... Why?
Trailblazer 4x4... Why?

As simple as a common Juan Dela Cruz would understand it.