2013 AT - Montero 4x4 vs Santa Fe 4x2 vs Chevrolet Trailblazer 4x4

[yourman_2nd]

sobrang haba na ng thread na eto, after all the inputs, i think si TS iba din ang binili dahil sa hassle at greed ng mga SA ng napili nya originally. If i get it correctly, Mazda CX-9 and pinili ni TS kasi sobrang tagal dumating ng unit ng Chevy at hassle at greed ng TBLZR dealers.

eto oh: http://tsikot.com/forums/car-compari...nership-91224/

maybe the mods should close this thread?

[ano727]

sobrang haba na ng thread na eto, after all the inputs, i think si TS iba din ang binili dahil sa hassle at greed ng mga SA ng napili nya originally. If i get it correctly, Mazda CX-9 and pinili ni TS kasi sobrang tagal dumating ng unit ng Chevy at hassle at greed ng TBLZR dealers.

eto oh: http://tsikot.com/forums/car-compari...nership-91224/

maybe the mods should close this thread?

You are absolutely correct sir. To cut the long story short, based on my needs and requirements, I chose the TBZ (although it was a tough call as both Montero GTV and new Santa Fe are quite good as well). To get the unit earliest, I agreed to in-house financing with ridiculously high interest rates + P80k for accessories + in-house insurance + LTO + chattel mortgage. Three dealers committed to deliver a TBZ 4x4 AT for me by end Nov, then 1st wk Dec, then latest by Dec13 (today). True enough, they all ended up with the same delay reasons "nasa port pa po, sure na yon next week."

Got fed up and visited another brand with really attractive package, zero stress and immediately available stock. A bit different level than original 3 choices mentioned here. In the end, I end up paying less money for the CX9 (including same terms of cashout and 36months) than the opportunistic dealers of the other brand. Yes, will pay more for the fuel, but the savings is worth a few years fuel.

And not just me, another forumer here ended up with the same decision (disappointed with TBZ, and bought the CX9). And now we're both happy with the end result.

Up to the mods if they would close this topic. It did help me get different perspectives on the 3+1 choices, so I think keeping this alive will help others learn from the shared experiences in this thread. Thanks for all the advise and comments, those really helped a lot.

TS

[gundam]

I have driven the fort, owned a montero, test driven the trailblazer... recently bought the gen 3 santa fe. Why, because I think it is the best. Some are talking about build quality of the interior... among the cars mentioned, the SF3 has the best interior in terms of build quality and looks for me. Engine is also very good and responsive. Only drawback? It is more expensive and parts availability is nowhere near toyota or mitsu. But you will only need parts when the vehicle is out of warranty, in 5 years time, i think parts would be available.

Dami nag like. Please correct my understanding kung mali.
Like ko din santa fe but You might need part/s anytime and not after 5years, its not indestructible. Or wag naman sana accident.
Maybe ang ibig mo sabihin ay you will not buy the parts that you need. Pero if its not available hassle di ba.

[bjreyesmd]

Yup, you won't need to buy or look for parts if the vehicle is still under warranty.....once the warranty period expires, after 5 years, hopefully the parts would be available at your suking tindahan....that is assuming the car would be in-demand enough for car shops to source out the parts.

[ano727]

Yup, you won't need to buy or look for parts if the vehicle is still under warranty.....once the warranty period expires, after 5 years, hopefully the parts would be available at your suking tindahan....that is assuming the car would be in-demand enough for car shops to source out the parts.

Anyone knows any ongoing year-end or Christmas promos for these three choices (cash discounts, major freebies, etc)? If specs are quite close in comparison, then commercial packaging can spell the difference.

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Yup, you won't need to buy or look for parts if the vehicle is still under warranty.....once the warranty period expires, after 5 years, hopefully the parts would be available at your suking tindahan....that is assuming the car would be in-demand enough for car shops to source out the parts.

Anyone knows any ongoing year-end or Christmas promos for these three choices (cash discounts, major freebies, etc)? If specs are quite close in comparison, then commercial packaging can spell the difference.

[d_mac]

You are absolutely correct sir. To cut the long story short, based on my needs and requirements, I chose the TBZ (although it was a tough call as both Montero GTV and new Santa Fe are quite good as well). To get the unit earliest, I agreed to in-house financing with ridiculously high interest rates + P80k for accessories + in-house insurance + LTO + chattel mortgage. Three dealers committed to deliver a TBZ 4x4 AT for me by end Nov, then 1st wk Dec, then latest by Dec13 (today). True enough, they all ended up with the same delay reasons "nasa port pa po, sure na yon next week."

Got fed up and visited another brand with really attractive package, zero stress and immediately available stock. A bit different level than original 3 choices mentioned here. In the end, I end up paying less money for the CX9 (including same terms of cashout and 36months) than the opportunistic dealers of the other brand. Yes, will pay more for the fuel, but the savings is worth a few years fuel.

And not just me, another forumer here ended up with the same decision (disappointed with TBZ, and bought the CX9). And now we're both happy with the end result.

Up to the mods if they would close this topic. It did help me get different perspectives on the 3+1 choices, so I think keeping this alive will help others learn from the shared experiences in this thread. Thanks for all the advise and comments, those really helped a lot.

TS

CX 9 heaps better than the Monterosport, definitely hehe

Music to my ears again that the Montysport is by-passed

[arsen]

CX 9 heaps better than the Monterosport, definitely hehe

Music to my ears again that the Montysport is by-passed

Galit ka pa rin ba sa mga byenan mo at Montysport ang binila nila at dahil na by-passed ka?...

Just asking migo.

[d_mac]

Galit ka pa rin ba sa mga byenan mo at Montysport ang binila nila at dahil na by-passed ka?...

Just asking migo.

Bwahaha, hindi naman chief, at binili nila yaon kahit may Sorento R-series na sila, nadala yata sa hitsura ng Monty haha ...

Natatawa lang ako kay brod-in-law na anak nila that after driving the Monty, wika niya sa kanila:
"Hay, para palang isang malaking Crosswind lang, maingay makina at umuusok din pala!"

Cheers!

[babynos01]

Oo na, maingay na Montero namin! Siguradhin mo lang sir d_mac na tahimik yang Isuzu Dmax mo ah

Watched the video that you posted. Grabe ang ganda ng Trailblazer, parang ok din 4x4 mechanism niya. Yun nga lang, electronically actuated.
I was also surprised na yung Fortuner 3.0V is full time (tama ba?).
Yung montero sport, was it at locked center mode? Parang naka 4H lang based sa dash indicator lights na ipinakita. Yung ibang markets meron ding lockable rear diff e. Sana yun nalang ginamit haha

Tiningnan ko specs nung TB na offered ng TCCi. At around 1.8M, may Traction control ka, Stability program, Hill ascend and descend control, etc.
Bang for the buck nga compared sa Montero, Fort, Everest, etc. Yung top of the line ng japs walang ganyan, unless mag Pajero ka or Prado.

I was able to see one at Puregold (tapat ng Multinational). Engine noise parang jap din. Malayo compared sa hyundai, kia, bmw, etc.
Nonetheless diesel ito e kaya expected naman na yun.

[d_mac]

Oo na, maingay na Montero namin! Siguradhin mo lang sir d_mac na tahimik yang Isuzu Dmax mo ah

Haha! Parejas silang nagpapaligsahan ng tak-tak-tak, isama na rin ang Innova at lumang Crosswind chief hehe

Watched the video that you posted. Grabe ang ganda ng Trailblazer, parang ok din 4x4 mechanism niya. Yun nga lang, electronically actuated.
I was also surprised na yung Fortuner 3.0V is full time (tama ba?).
Yung montero sport, was it at locked center mode? Parang naka 4H lang based sa dash indicator lights na ipinakita. Yung ibang markets meron ding lockable rear diff e. Sana yun nalang ginamit haha

Tiningnan ko specs nung TB na offered ng TCCi. At around 1.8M, may Traction control ka, Stability program, Hill ascend and descend control, etc.
Bang for the buck nga compared sa Montero, Fort, Everest, etc. Yung top of the line ng japs walang ganyan, unless mag Pajero ka or Prado.

I was able to see one at Puregold (tapat ng Multinational). Engine noise parang jap din. Malayo compared sa hyundai, kia, bmw, etc.
Nonetheless diesel ito e kaya expected naman na yun.

Kita ko din nga sir andun sa 1st leg ang model ng Forty 3.0 D-4D ay full-time 4 mode (parang Suzuki Grand Guitara ko hehe). Swiched on din Montysport sa 1st leg palang. Itong Trailblazer sa 1st leg naka-2H with traction control. While the two, Forty and TB, lugged (gapang) effectively at low rpm, even in a climb, ang humihiyaw na Montysport needs forward momentum ....Parang naalala ko ang YZ125 ko dati na kailangan ang diskarte, tiempo at forward momentum sa pag-akyat sa single-track trail at technical hillclimb. Nang pinalitan ko ng YZ250, sisiw mga tahakin kahit gapang-mode pa hehe....

Hindi lang sa off-road maganda chief ang Trailblazer, kahit sa cruising speed maganda din, as follows:

Comparing your Chevy Trailblazer 2.8 Duramax A/T to the other SUVs/ CUVs of the other brands in terms of achieving very good speed yet relax as a baby in a cradle, is like as follows:

Mitsubishi Monterosport 2.5 GT-V A/T (174 hp, 350 Nm)
102.2 kph at 2000 rpm

Mitsubishi Pajero 3.2 Di-D A/T (165 hp, 363 Nm)
102.2 kph at 2000 rpm

Toyota Fortuner 3.0 D-4D A/T A/T (163 hp, 343 Nm)
111.4 kph at 2000 rpm

Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 R-eVGT A/T (197 hp, 437 Nm)
113.3 kph at 2000 rpm

Hyundai Tucson 2.0 R-eVGT A/T (177 hp, 392 Nm)
113.2 kph at 2000 rpm

Chevrolet Trailblazer 2.8 Duramax A/T (180 hp, 470 Nm)
123.3 kph at 2000 rpm (on 245/70/R16 tyres)
127.5 kph at 2000 rpm (on 265/60/R18 tyres)

Also, word has it that the Trailblazer 2.5 Duramax M/T is running also around the 120's at 2000 rpm....

Seems like better fuel-mileage can be achieved from the two TB's, especially in long open-highway drives, compared to their contemporaries.

Cheers!

Cheers!

[Starex_Gold]

Hayop yung Trailblazer ang low revving!

[Gerbo]

Tanong ko lang, timing gear ba Monty at Trailblazer?

[babynos01]

Swiched on din Montysport sa 1st leg palang.

Switched on na pati yung center diff? Parang naka 4H lang kasi. Hindi naka ilaw yung center differential lock sa dash.
Madaya, puro advance electronics yung Trailblazer! Unfair yan! Ang katapat na nyan Prado at Pajero!

Pero nung inakyat namin yung Mount Samat (dambana ng kagitingan, up to the parking at the top) with 7 people on board plus luggage for 4 days,
wala ako naging problem.
Kayang kaya ng 2nd gear, minsan nag third pa ako kung medyo mabilis na. Once lang ako nag primera kasi yung Urvan nahirapan e, biglang tumigil

Pero, hands down ako sa Trailblazer. Sana lang mag offer ng ganito yung japs. At 1.8M (or less) you get TCS, ESP, etc.

[babynos01]

Tanong ko lang, timing gear ba Monty at Trailblazer?

Yung monty kung 2.5 timing belt.
Yung 3.2 sir, hindi ko sure kung naka timing chain. Pero ang alam ko oo.
Yung sa trailblazer, hindi ko alam sir.

[glenn_duke]

Switched on na pati yung center diff? Parang naka 4H lang kasi. Hindi naka ilaw yung center differential lock sa dash.
Madaya, puro advance electronics yung Trailblazer! Unfair yan! Ang katapat na nyan Prado at Pajero!

Pero nung inakyat namin yung Mount Samat (dambana ng kagitingan, up to the parking at the top) with 7 people on board plus luggage for 4 days,
wala ako naging problem.
Kayang kaya ng 2nd gear, minsan nag third pa ako kung medyo mabilis na. Once lang ako nag primera kasi yung Urvan nahirapan e, biglang tumigil

Pero, hands down ako sa Trailblazer. Sana lang mag offer ng ganito yung japs. At 1.8M (or less) you get TCS, ESP, etc.

Naka 4H nga lang yung gear ng montero sa video, kung naka 4L yun iilaw dapat yung light sa center lock.
Sinadya ng Chevy yan, otherwise walang silbi yung self serving nilang video.

With regards to TCS, yung GTV or SE version ng MS ay may Hybrid LSD na, kaya the need for the TCS is not that needed na. Idadgdag mopa yung shift on the fly at 100kph to 4H and 4L.

Maraming MS sa Coldillera na 4x2 variants lang and yet they conquer all road type of the province. Hindi promotional gimmick yan, posted sa MSCP yung mga adventures nila.

[111prez]

Naka 4H nga lang yung gear ng montero sa video, kung naka 4L yun iilaw dapat yung light sa center lock.
Sinadya ng Chevy yan, otherwise walang silbi yung self serving nilang video.

With regards to TCS, yung GTV or SE version ng MS ay may Hybrid LSD na, kaya the need for the TCS is not that needed na. Idadgdag mopa yung shift on the fly at 100kph to 4H and 4L.

If I am not mistaken, that video has already been debunked as a self serving advertising promotion replete with too many obvious manipulations (including the manner of driving)

Best to wait for a more objective comparo done by a reputable tester

:hysterical:

[arsen]

Naka 4H nga lang yung gear ng montero sa video, kung naka 4L yun iilaw dapat yung light sa center lock.
Sinadya ng Chevy yan, otherwise walang silbi yung self serving nilang video.

With regards to TCS, yung GTV or SE version ng MS ay may Hybrid LSD na, kaya the need for the TCS is not that needed na. Idadgdag mopa yung shift on the fly at 100kph to 4H and 4L.

Maraming MS sa Coldillera na 4x2 variants lang and yet they conquer all road type of the province. Hindi promotional gimmick yan, posted sa MSCP yung mga adventures nila.

Hahaha parang city boy na maglalakad sa palayan si TB... ingat na ingat at ayaw madulas... Yayain nyo si TB minsan, magset lang kayo ng maraming waiting points at magdala ng baraha, tong-its muna just in-case he make use of all of his gapangers features.

Wow grabe naman pala ang brake manipulation features ng 2.8 at mga built-in retarders. Pwedeng-pwede nang magkasnow sa pinas kung meron ka nang TB. Aside from a must have Anti-Lock Braking System and Dynamic Brake Distribution meron pa syang mga extras:

Electronic Stability Program
Hill Start Assist
Hill Descent Control
Traction Control
Hydraulic Brake Assist
Panic Brake Assist
Electronic Stability Control
Engine drag control
Cornering Brake control
Hydraulic Brake Fade Assist

The additional controller chips, programming, parts and sensors could cost the manufacture around 1,000-2000 dollars (rough estimate).

Just wondering how much is the cost to maintain such active / complementary safety systems that could easily wear the vital mechanical parts.

Anyway this is good news at binabagsakan na tayo ng mga products and accessories na designed for 5 -years life cycle business model. It means tumataas na talaga ang antas ng buhay sa Pinas at sa SE-Asia. Nakikipagsabayan na tayo.

[babynos01]

Naka 4H nga lang yung gear ng montero sa video, kung naka 4L yun iilaw dapat yung light sa center lock.
Sinadya ng Chevy yan, otherwise walang silbi yung self serving nilang video.

With regards to TCS, yung GTV or SE version ng MS ay may Hybrid LSD na, kaya the need for the TCS is not that needed na. Idadgdag mopa yung shift on the fly at 100kph to 4H and 4L.

Maraming MS sa Coldillera na 4x2 variants lang and yet they conquer all road type of the province. Hindi promotional gimmick yan, posted sa MSCP yung mga adventures nila.

Pansin ko nga e. Possible na naka 4H montero tapos naka 4WD Lock yung Trailblazer.
The good thing about the TCS is that all wheels are monitored. Sa montero kasi, rear LSD lang so only the rear wheels get the better traction.
Yung front diff nya kasi is an open type.

[arsen]

Wow grabe naman pala ang brake manipulation features ng 2.8 at mga built-in retarders. Pwedeng-pwede nang magkasnow sa pinas kung meron ka nang TB. Aside from a must have Anti-Lock Braking System and Dynamic Brake Distribution meron pa syang mga extras:

Electronic Stability Program
Hill Start Assist
Hill Descent Control
Traction Control
Hydraulic Brake Assist
Panic Brake Assist
Electronic Stability Control
Engine drag control
Cornering Brake control
Hydraulic Brake Fade Assist

Napansin ko lang wala sa listahan ko ang Positraction (Chevy/GMC version of Limited Slip Differential)

Wala nga ba LSD ang Trailblazer? It has to rely on the disc brakes?

Hope somebody try it in a muddy slippery trail, yung kahit knee deep lang na umabot sa disc brakes ang putik. Just to see the difference of sealed in axle (gear oil coated) vs exposed (mud coated) traction control.

[babynos01]

As far as i know, just as what sir glenn_duke said, kapag may TCS na, hindi na kailangan yung LSD.
Yung Pajero BK also have a MASTC kaya wala syang LSD. Same with our 4WD Tucson