Pajero or MU-X?

[LuckyMan]

Pajero for luxury. MuX for practicality. Weigh what you really need.. Pajero is a timeless beauty, and one of the ultimate status symbol in the neighborhood..


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Natumbok mo sir, status symbol ika nga, kaya gusto ko sana Pajero at nagipon ng matagal eh. pero kahit ano pang sasakyan dala ko sir, the fact na isa akong hamak na seaman, napag isip isip ko na mas mahalaga ang investment kahit na maliit at least meron. Kaya ko po nababanggit ang kapirasong lote kasi po may inaalok sa amin at swak na swak sa budget ng walang utang, kaya biglang nagbago ang isip ko na magsettle na lang kami for the MU-X. May kirot man sa kalooban ko na hindi Pajero ang vehicle na mabibili ko, happy pa rin kasi magkakaroon ako ng dagdag na investment for the kids. If ever magpapatuloy ang magandang kalusugan baka sakaling mabili rin ang Pajero after a decade na nga lang ulit hehe.

[LuckyMan]

the first real ofw are the FILIPINO SEAMAN-SEAFARERS, and they are still the major ofw contributor amounting to a total of $ u.s. 4 billion every year.

they kept our economy afloat despite dozens of political mishaps, from corruption, bad economic management, coup de etat, terrorism and rebellion.

you are not a cheap seaman- you risk your lives and personal happiness for our sake, directly and in-directly.

be proud and humble

Thank you very much sir victorevolution for the encouraging words at sa iyong pagkilala sa mga contribution ng mga katulad kong maglalayag sa ating lugmok nang ekonomya due to wide spread corruption sa gobyerno. Nakakataba po ng puso.

[5Speed]

hmmmm....

teka labas na yata yung 2015 na Pajero... parang nakita ko sa Topjear Philippines... hehehehhe

Honestly... I also want a Pajero or an LC.... dream na lang talaga ang Range Rover at BMW X5 at Audi Q7

but I cannot justify buying it unless siguro na manalo ako ng lotto, but with my hard earned money..... there are other better investment out there to sway me off in buying these luxury cars....

[confused shoes]

Matagal ka pa naman siguro sa paglalayag. Which means anytime soon, meron ka na ulit pambili ng lote. Less than a year lang yan. So sa dream car ka na.

If you go with your other option, medyo matatagalan pa bago mo mahawakan ang dream car mo.







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[bougartt]

Id go for the MUX.

Everything will be cheaper.. Maintenance, Registration and Insurance.

Then probably go invest the rest. So by the time its time to sell the MUX then I got more cash to buy a bigger better car.


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[Ry_Tower]

The Pajero is already long in the tooth. Tsaka kapag nag-test drive ka for sure pajero pa din bibilhin mo kahit na mas madami toys nang MU-X.

Kaya get the Trailblazer 4x4 instead para bawas ang sisi mo na hindi pajero binili mo. May savings ka pa din na pang-invest, mas maganda pa sa MUX nabili mo!

[DieselInfitiny]

Good day, fellow tsikoteers!

First of all, I'd like to apologize to sir Luckyman, for posting below and hi-jacking your thread. If my post is somehow, inappropriate on this category, I apologize again and kindly move this to the correct segment or please redirect me. But since the TB has been mentioned here, earlier, I am doing a point segue re my case, while sharing it and seeking some helpful insight.

Tsikot forum/s, like this, have helped a lot in providing the appropriate feedback, in any form, to prospective buyers like me. My intent is just to capture a direct and healthy or objective share/input (esp from car enthusiasts here) from fellow tsikoteers… as I am sure there are still others out there who are on the same boat as I am. Thanks Tsikot!

Going back, I am still up to the point of deciding between the Mux (LS-A) and TB (LT), and would need to decide really soon.

And I know the bottom line question is always thrown back… what are you looking for a vehicle and what do you need? I have read several comparison write-ups between these 2 vehicles (ie Topgear, James Deakin site, etc…), so no need to send me those, please. (Btw, those were definitely great write-ups!)

However, am looking more to make my decision based on my elements with my current state (below). Really appreciate your shared opinion, as this will really mean a lot in my final selection. I have detailed na lang some few info below, as factors for consideration.

Thank you and more power fellow tsikoteers!


*Given:
-Family of 5 (2 adults +3 kids (agers 9,7,4) + 2 household helps)
-City Driving; out of town long drive rarely happens
-Most of the time will be only used by me; family will be on it during weekends
-Use of vehicle: looking at 7 years (min) to 10 years (max)
-Paid reservation for Mux and nakalista since September for Mux but baka sa dec pa raw; sa TB anytime the unit is available
-1.5M budget (fits both)
-Dumadaan sa baha (mostly shin area to seldom knee deep level), pag talaga malakas ang ulan; but normally, wala.


*Straight-forward comparison notes I have gathered so far post my test drive of both vehicles, accompanied by a male friend and my wife. And of course, speaking with SA’s of each vehicle manufacturer. Again, these are just my observation/s, and I may be wrong about some as they are all based on personal hands-on and “I’ve read thread” captures. So please respect my info below… you can even correct them if you have some reference or solid info to steer onto the accurate info. I’d be appreciative of it.

MUX: (LS-A 4x2 AT)
- Very Comfy ride even sa mga lubak na pinagdaanan namen sa test drive; handled the potholes and heavy dirt road very well at speed of 20 to 60kms.
- Nice Modern features on accessories which will be ideal for a family set-up like what I have (auto climate, screen LCD entertainment system,leather steering, power seats, etc..)
- It’s an “ISUZU”; kapitbahay ko may Isuzu pick-up since 1993 ata, hanggang ngayon yon pa ren ginagamit araw-araw for their hauling of motor parts business (note: warm-up nya di man lang umaabot 30sec everyday, tas hinahatak na direcho na sa arangkada)
- Based on feedback here, FC at 10 to 12kms mixed city driving
- I felt overtaking had some effort on the engine (kung tao pa, shouting level na), pero was still able to do so but with some extended calculation (part of it siguro is still getting to know pa the engine); didn’t happen to me when I did this with TB; also I was just on Drive mode, not on manual tiptronic.
- Since these are new vehicles at Thailand made pa… re Parts and Accessories: some maybe expensive with isuzu and some maybe expensive with chevy?
- I placed some pressure on the exterior doors and fenders with my hand; para syang may tendency lumulubog immediately
- Mas bago ang Mux
- Compubox nasa engine bay
- 10k on 1st PMS at 1.5km, based on Mux thread
- Display instrumentation is better (ie Gear mode is highly visible on Main display) compared to TB (nasa lower left at maliit sya sa TB, and dangerous if di mo makita)
- 3 years warranty
- Will be my 3rd Japanese Car



TB (LT 4x2 AT)
- Sobra ang lakas ng hatak, very useful for overtaking, which I used most during the test drive; this is what also added to my dilemma as I felt the engine capability
- Mas malaki ang mga tubo sa ilalim sa suspension support/arms, when i compared them
- Matagtag sya or am I just used to old school comfy diesel AUV/SUV (Adventure, Montero) using fluid shocks? I felt that every stone is bouncing the vehicle (passed a flat road with some small gravel on it); my wife who is byahilo – did not complain of such, ako ang naka-notice neto
- Mix of nice and needs improvement of accessory items at this model (steering ain’t leather, not leather seats, non-power seat, mirror adjustment is on ideal location, LCD touchscreen on dash is given free because of promo - this is not even the factory LCD touchscreen, i believe)
- Slightly Bigger vehicle, and higher ground clearance (tend to notice it has more legroom in second row?)
- The hood is really heavy and solid (meaning mas better sya on impact protection?)
- FC is 7 to 9kms mixed city driving based on feedback, but SA I spoke told me 8km ang min
- I placed some pressure on the exterior doors and fenders with my hand; tendency to lumulubog din but it took me a lot of pressing to do; in other words mas matigas sya.
- Since these are new vehicles at Thailand made pa… re Parts and Accessories: some maybe expensive with isuzu and some maybe expensive with chevy?
- Compubox nasa loob ng dashboard
- 1st PMS at 5kms is around 6500 (mineral oil); while 10kms is around 9000 (mineral oil);Got this from a friend who showed me the quote
- Heavy dalhin, parang tangke but solid on the ground
- 5 years warranty
- Will be my 1st American Car

[StockEngine]

TB and Mu-x are built in thailand....not american cars or even japanese. Same chasis...recently same recall sa 3rd row seat belt tension in Australia. Interior space is the same as mentioned by sir Niky*topgearph. As for warranty...same lng sila 3yrs. But chevy has additional 2 years on the drivetrain. Ground clearance is the same 230mm more or less. As for wading 600 vs 800. Isuzu doesnt want the alternator submerged lol. Chevy thinks its ok to submerge the alternator. Either way mataas alternator nila. Deciding factor is either speed or fuel efficiency. Medyo malaki fc difference ng dalawa. 15-25% ahem

[DieselInfitiny]

Thank you sir *StockEngine... what about durability and reliability of TBZ? Spare parts availability and is the cost really higher compared to other vehicle manufacturers?

[yebo]

I sat in a TB yesterday. Akala ko maluwang since the vehicle seemed big from the outside. But when i extended my right arm my fingers touched the right side door panel right away. I did not even had to bend sideways to do so. Halos same lang pala sila ng Montero sa internal cabin width. I could not help but compare it to the Sorento, where my right hand will still be at least 4 inches from the door plastic panelling. . I am just amazed that a CUV can have better room than a vehicle classed as an SUV. ano ba classification ng TB, midsized suv ba? Anyway the SA asked if i wanted a test drive which i declined.

[glenn_duke]

Get the Pajero, you only live once and you grow old by the day.
1M savings, barya nalang yan ngayon. Pero yung satisfaction mo to ride the vehicle you desire, priceless yan.
Investment sa lupa? Ilang square meters yan, ano plano mong gawin sa lupa? Magiging tirahan lang ng squatter yan.
Kung sa Bulacan yan at within town limit, baka nasa 100 square meters lang yan.

[lowslowbenz]

New Trailblazer = American car?

I don't think so.

Here's a picture of the last North American made Trailblazer. Its by leaps and bounds, bigger than the "Asian" Trailblazer.



Photo courtesy of the web.

[tonitelaoag]

kami dito sa ilocos norte meron na mga dealers na katulad ng mitsubishi, kaya kahit sobrang tipid namin sa maraming bagay pagdating sa sasakyan kung ano kaya ng bulsa yon ang binibili ng cash. nagulat dealer dito parating sold out mga units na nakadisplay pati na yang pajero na bago dumarami na rin mga bago kong nakikita dito, marahil sa dami ng pamilya sa america na mapili sa gamit, money is so abundant sa kanila. me if i have the money i will get also a pajero, wallpaper ko na nga yan sa pc ko eh. i like the trailblazer but if there is no casa close to our town forget it.

[DieselInfitiny]

New TB is an American Branded Car, built in Thailand.

[Jack E. Bagbaga]

*DieselInfitiny and * Luckyman

I am actually in your shoes the past two months. TB (A/T), Monty) Dsl (M/T) and MU-X (A/T) naman ang pinagpilihan ko. I road tested them all and finally decided to get the MU-X mainly due to the following;

1. FC - vehicle will be used almost every month for long distance drive (Cavite-Ilocos Norte).
2. Engine life - Isuzu engines are known na pang matagalan (with proper care and maintenance of course). May pinsan akong retired military officer at nasa 240K na ang odo ng Dmax niya (M/T). Retired OFW here (16 yrs abroad) that's why I wanted a ride that lasts long.
3. Riding Comfort and Space - Based on my observation, mas malambot ang ride sa MU-X at mas malaki ang legroom sa 3rd row.
4. Modern features, etc, etc....

Ang PROBLEMA nga lang baka Dec or January pa raw darating ang unit

Just sharing my humble observations.

[DieselInfitiny]

sir *Jack E. Bagbaga...

That's very true... yung akin paurong ng paurong... eh since Sept pa ako naka-reserve. Baka daw sa December na. Di aabot sa Wedding Anniversary naming man lang. ... isa pa ren, ano kaya epekto ng bagong sasakyan na naka tengga sa pier at di inaandar for almost 3 to 4months? I am still trying to stretch my patience pa hanggang makaya

Honestly, konti na lang talga at baka kunin ko na ang TB habang may promo ... few things i found further re the TB, speaking with some folks:
*yung tagtag will eventually settle down over time, based on user experience
*If TB has tendency for waiting time for parts in casa (which is not anymore the case given common parts due to traffic accidents ie bumper/headlight/etc... are already stocked and available), all the more with MUX kasi it is also a new vehicle daw - it is following the cycle where you have a new vehicle release and parts are not that available... but through time there will be more of it.... daw.
*FC of both are averaging at 8km on the get go... but the variance may be felt over time again... though they say TB is also efficient given the 6 speed tranny
*Chevy casas are targeting to be competitive pms pricing with Japanese cars? Mukhang mas mura nga ang 5k and 10k ng TB kaysa 1500 ng MUX

[LuckyMan]

Yan ang mabigat mga Sir maghintay ng walang katiyakan. Then pag nagback out ka it will take a month or two waiting for the refund of your DP. kaya kami ni esmi ay hindi nagpareserve, since di naman kami nagmamadali kasi I'm still onboard and expecting to be home 2nd week of January next year, hopefully marami na supply that time. otherwise there are other brand to choose with. and unit is readily available. Good luck po sa paghihintay. Waiting is the hardest part but as the old saying goes " Patience is a virtue."

[dos2]

Yan ang mabigat mga Sir maghintay ng walang katiyakan. Then pag nagback out ka it will take a month or two waiting for the refund of your DP. kaya kami ni esmi ay hindi nagpareserve, since di naman kami nagmamadali kasi I'm still onboard and expecting to be home 2nd week of January next year, hopefully marami na supply that time. otherwise there are other brand to choose with. and unit is readily available. Good luck po sa paghihintay. Waiting is the hardest part but as the old saying goes " Patience is a virtue."

Sir LuckyMan 2nd week na po ng Feb, nakapili na po kayo? Makiki update po kami sa choice nyo.

[LuckyMan]

Sir LuckyMan 2nd week na po ng Feb, nakapili na po kayo? Makiki update po kami sa choice nyo.

Mga sir, Maraming salamat po sa mga insights and inputs niyo. Me and Wifey decided to get the MU-X outback brown LS-A AT (preferred Silky Pearl white but not available) and no regrets with the purchased. Happy and contented with the performance of the vehicle during our trip to Cagayan last Lenten season with 8 adults plus baggage, siksikan pero ok naman. Very fuel efficient compared to my ageing X-Trail. Ride comfort is also very good though I never experience sitting on the 2nd and 3rd row. But as per my daughter's observation di naman matagtag.

[Juan Martinez]

Pajero, of course. BK.