Low Cost of Ownership, High Ground Clearance, Brand new. Need help to decide

[jut703]

Innova over Rush any day.

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[dr. d]

Innova over Rush any day.

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i agree.
kung hindi naman nagkakalayo presyo..
i still prefer MT innova over AT.
la lang.
gusto lang.

[atty.cadmus]

I am for Innova.

pero dahil MU-X at RUSH pinagpipilian, i might go for the MU-X. Malaki na, diesel pa. pwede nang pang harabas. Sa 30k per year mileage average, kayang kaya niya.

[minicarph]

OB, akala ko ba ayaw mo sa diesel? Eh may MUx ka naman pala.

Keep in character bro.

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anukaba, alam nga dito na lahat ng cars ko eh puros diesel

Wildtrak - Pickup
Bluepower - PPV
Santa Fe - Crossover

Kumpleto ko na lahat ng pangarap na diesel mid-size car CATEGORIES ng. Would be diesel aspiring owners. Lanat yan standard leather seats interior hihi

Galing no? nakuha ko lang sa utang yan and proper timing ng bayaran, kaya kung me gusto kayo utangin nyo kahit di nyo afford, basta yun gusto nyo

Sa question ng thread na to , rush vs mux. Mux na kung yun tibok ng puso, utangin na yun excess kesa naman magpapalit ka pa ulet kasi wala naman kwenta gasoline cars dito sa tin kahit ba Toyota pa yan

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Plano ko nga ipa bullet proof etong MuX ko pag tumagal sakin ng more than 15 years, wala lang trip lang kasi by that time mgs 50 something na ako, syempre dapat naka bullet proof diba, pero syempre by that time nakuha ko na din ang dream car ko na LC200. Labo no yun MUx naka bullet proof pero Lc hinde, eh yun lang kaya ng budget eh.

[12vdc]

No brainer, mux has the highest ground clearance and lowest cost of ownership.

Plano ko nga ipa bullet proof etong MuX ko pag tumagal sakin ng more than 15 years, wala lang trip lang kasi by that time mgs 50 something na ako, syempre dapat naka bullet proof diba, pero syempre by that time nakuha ko na din ang dream car ko na LC200. Labo no yun MUx naka bullet proof pero Lc hinde, eh yun lang kaya ng budget eh.

Utangin mo din ang pangpa bulletproof

[minicarph]

Utangin mo din ang pangpa bulletproof

ma-approve kaya sa loan yun pag ganyan?

[GTi]

Mas makakatipid kaya ako sir sa overall cost of ownership ng MU-X? 300k din kasi difference sa brand new price eh hehe. Pero iniisip ko po sir sa MU-X baka makatipid ako dahil sa lower fuel consumption at mas mura ng konti yung diesel. Hindi ko lang po alam sa maintenance kung ano mas mahal sa dalawa hehe.



Mukhang okay din yung Innova sir. Interested ako dun sa 2.8L engine hehe. Pero interests aside, worry ko lang po ng konti yung approach angle. Yung ground clearance mukhang okay naman for humps and pag akyat sa mga gutter. Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad.

Mga taxi sa Baguio halos puro Innova. Napapansin ko halos lahat sila nakalift ng konti. Taller springs perhaps? But still does not stop them from buying, meaning pasado na sa kanila ang height. This is also worth considering since you get more interior space than the Fortuner, with the same platform and an even better engine than the 4x2 Fortuner, with lesser maintenance cost in the form of much cheaper tires, which should be quite significant for you since you plan to rack up lots of mileage quickly.

Between the two, MUX na ako. Won't expect the Rush to do better than 7km/L, P10-12/L more expensive pa ang gasolina. The MUX 1.9 will surely do better than 7km/L, with potential to double, or even triple in highway driving, with fuel that is P10-12/L cheaper. Routine maintenance cost difference will not be as significant since it is done only once every few months at most. Though the RZ4E is a relatively new engine, since the MUX/D-Max are volume sellers, I would expect that by the time it retires to the province, mechanics would already be very familiar with it.

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[n_spinner06]

are you rooting for the rush, or the mux?

diesels are built more robustly, because of the higher pressures and temperatures involved in their operation.
as such, parts don't seem to wear out as fast as one might believe.
also, diesels tend to give more km/peso than gas engined-cars, partly because diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline.

one dis-advantage of diesel maintenance, is that they usually need more oil.

but hey! one can't argue against the 200K peso difference!
while some folks look at the longer-range picture, others might be more mindful of the shorter course.

then, there's garage space.
if you don't have a big garage, don't buy a big car, lest you end up parking it overnight on the street.
...don't have a garage? ...what can i say!

a real test-drive would be nice.

Between his choices, im partial to the rush doc. Diesels are indeed built more robustly, not because they want to make them tougher, but as you said, because the design parameters warrants it i.e. higher pressures and temps. Of course a gasoline engine could be built heavier but to what end - when it is not required. May penalty pa sa weight if ever so liability pa. Bottomline for me, engines are designed for the intended purpose, so one is not inherently tougher just because - diesel.

My 2c.

Rush wins hands down sa safety. If the TS intends to transport his family regularly at highway speeds (deducing from the 30k annually he expects to travel..i dont think city driving yan), then the added airbags are a boon. Kung mag.isa lang lagi, di issue ito since may driver airbag naman both vehicles. May abs ba ang base model mux? Wala ata iirc.

Both vehicles are built very similarly. Rwd. Independent front, solid rear axles. Coil suspension. High ground clearance. 7 seats. Etc. Major difference is the powerplant. The nr-series engine of the rush is no slouch naman kung tibay lang. Timing chain na din naman. The rz4e is heavily dependent on the turbo, and the higher pressures and temps mentioned above takes its toll in the long run. Spark plugs are definitely more cheaper than injectors if they need replacing. The simpler gas engine would be easier to maintain a decade or more down the line imho.

Power to weight, it favors the rush. 104ps. 136nm. 1150 kg...yung mux 150ps. 350nm. 2650kg. That's more than double the weight, but with only 40+ps more. Diesel has, of course, more pull. And since you have to rev the gas engine to get the power, it feels more 'anemic' despite probably very close acceleration numbers. When fully loaded though, the rush would certainly 'feel' it more since the added 300-400kg is 1)already 1/3 of its weight and 2)lower torque. If personal car (hindi naman siguri to school bus or uv express na 7 pax all the time), di major factor yan. Otherwise, wise option ang mux kung loaded lagi because of the extra torque.

Then the elephant in the room, cost. 300k outright difference. If he chooses to finance it, roughly the same difference. One kind tsikiteer computed for us na break even siguro more or less 3-5yrs assuming the TS didn't overestimate his 20-30k annual kms. Less mileage favors the rush. More use favors the diesel mux.







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[atty.cadmus]

Between his choices, im partial to the rush doc. Diesels are indeed built more robustly, not because they want to make them tougher, but as you said, because the design parameters warrants it i.e. higher pressures and temps. Of course a gasoline engine could be built heavier but to what end - when it is not required. May penalty pa sa weight if ever so liability pa. Bottomline for me, engines are designed for the intended purpose, so one is not inherently tougher just because - diesel.

My 2c.

Rush wins hands down sa safety. If the TS intends to transport his family regularly at highway speeds (deducing from the 30k annually he expects to travel..i dont think city driving yan), then the added airbags are a boon. Kung mag.isa lang lagi, di issue ito since may driver airbag naman both vehicles. May abs ba ang base model mux? Wala ata iirc.

Both vehicles are built very similarly. Rwd. Independent front, solid rear axles. Coil suspension. High ground clearance. 7 seats. Etc. Major difference is the powerplant. The nr-series engine of the rush is no slouch naman kung tibay lang. Timing chain na din naman. The rz4e is heavily dependent on the turbo, and the higher pressures and temps mentioned above takes its toll in the long run. Spark plugs are definitely more cheaper than injectors if they need replacing. The simpler gas engine would be easier to maintain a decade or more down the line imho.

Power to weight, it favors the rush. 104ps. 136nm. 1150 kg...yung mux 150ps. 350nm. 2650kg. That's more than double the weight, but with only 40+ps more. Diesel has, of course, more pull. And since you have to rev the gas engine to get the power, it feels more 'anemic' despite probably very close acceleration numbers. When fully loaded though, the rush would certainly 'feel' it more since the added 300-400kg is 1)already 1/3 of its weight and 2)lower torque. If personal car (hindi naman siguri to school bus or uv express na 7 pax all the time), di major factor yan. Otherwise, wise option ang mux kung loaded lagi because of the extra torque.

Then the elephant in the room, cost. 300k outright difference. If he chooses to finance it, roughly the same difference. One kind tsikiteer computed for us na break even siguro more or less 3-5yrs assuming the TS didn't overestimate his 20-30k annual kms. Less mileage favors the rush. More use favors the diesel mux.







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ganda nang input sir.

[xxxlam]

Rush, 8.2 Km/Liter pinaka mababa ko. About 14++ Km/Liter sa TPLEX. Where do you guys getting the 6 Km/L? I can't comment on Mu-X because I haven't driven one.

Pero I have the impression na work-horse ang mga Diesel. Depende na siguro sa lifestyle na gusto ninyo.

[17Sphynx17]

Rush, 8.2 Km/Liter pinaka mababa ko. About 14++ Km/Liter sa TPLEX. Where do you guys getting the 6 Km/L? I can't comment on Mu-X because I haven't driven one.

Pero I have the impression na work-horse ang mga Diesel. Depende na siguro sa lifestyle na gusto ninyo.

In your 8.2km/l and 14++ km/l, what were the average speeds for both situations? Digital readout or full tank method din ba yung consumption na sinabi mo?

You might not be getting the usual manila city traffic conditions of 12kmph average on a tank of gas. You might be above 20kmph to get 8.2km/l.

[sirkosero]

Rush, 8.2 Km/Liter pinaka mababa ko. About 14++ Km/Liter sa TPLEX. Where do you guys getting the 6 Km/L? I can't comment on Mu-X because I haven't driven one.

Pero I have the impression na work-horse ang mga Diesel. Depende na siguro sa lifestyle na gusto ninyo.

6km/li. Cainta to makati and back. Rush 1.5G AT.

Where did you get your 8.2 km/li?

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[xxxlam]

Taytay Rizal to Eastwood. Somewhere 8.2++ Km/L about 20 Km/H speed.
Taytay to Baguio via NLEX SCTEX TPLEX. 14++ Km/L about 120 Km/H speed (But 90-100 mostly)

Ewan ko pero I am obsessed with the eco indicator being on most of the time.

+++ sorry edit edit edit +++

Taytay to La Union about 14++ Km/L pero when I check in Baguio, it went down to 10 Km/L average. I rely only on the readings doon sa dashboard.

[17Sphynx17]

Taytay Rizal to Eastwood. Somewhere 8.2++ Km/L about 20 Km/H speed.
Taytay to Baguio via NLEX SCTEX TPLEX. 14++ Km/L about 120 Km/H speed (But 90-100 mostly)

Ewan ko pero I am obsessed with the eco indicator being on most of the time.

+++ sorry edit edit edit +++

Taytay to La Union about 14++ Km/L pero when I check in Baguio, it went down to 10 Km/L average. I rely only on the readings doon sa dashboard.

Yup. It is a different average speed on your side. Higher than normal. Manila traffic. Assumptiom is usually 12 kmph to a max of 15kmph.

Also, digital readout, my experience, multiply that by 95% to get somewhat close to full tank method, worst case is 90%.

I wouldnt just trust digital readout, i prefer to validate with full tank method.

If the rush wasn't fitted with a 4speed a/t, it might have a slightly better city fc, but may complicate it mechanically down the line.

[Lakwatsero]

Taytay Rizal to Eastwood. Somewhere 8.2++ Km/L about 20 Km/H speed.
Taytay to Baguio via NLEX SCTEX TPLEX. 14++ Km/L about 120 Km/H speed (But 90-100 mostly)

Ewan ko pero I am obsessed with the eco indicator being on most of the time.

+++ sorry edit edit edit +++

Taytay to La Union about 14++ Km/L pero when I check in Baguio, it went down to 10 Km/L average. I rely only on the readings doon sa dashboard.

Makes sense. Mu-X can probably do 10 to 11km/l at the same 20kph average. At 15kph, it can do 8.5 to 9km/l with a light foot.

[lutepea]

Mga Sir. Maraming maraming salamat sa mga replies ninyong lahat. Hindi ko na ma rereplayan isa isa, pero nabasa ko lahat. Very busy lang this past few days kaya hindi na din nakapag online.

Just to give an update, may sinalo muna akong Wigo from a relative din. Mukhang okay naman, pero bukas ko to ma tetest talaga kapag dinala ko sa Tarlac. As for my usage po pala, I travel 5 days a week (kahit coding hehe), from Las Pinas to Ortigas. Then on weekends, Las Pinas to Tarlac. 2 persons lang po yung sakay when we travel on NLEX. Walang balak mag baby hehe. I wanted to get a new car sana para maging extra car nalang tong gamit namin ngayon, and at the same time, hindi ko na kailangan bumyahe ng maaga and umuwi ng late kapag coding.

As for the Wigo, thankfully hindi siya sumasayad sa matataas na humps kaya may confidence akong gamitin kahit papano. Kayalang, for some reasons nahihilo akong idrive to kahit very chill lang naman po ako mag drive lagi. Also, feel ko pagod ako sa byahe kapag eto yung ginagamit ko.

As for getting a new car, probably not now na muna pala hehe. I will try using the Wigo for long drive bukas. Never really thought of it before, but this might be the right car for us kesa gumastos pa ng malaki for a new one.

Thank you so much mga sir sa replies. Please keep this thread active if you will. Nag enjoy ako basahin yung mga inputs niyo. Highly appreciated po

P.S. Kung po pala hindi ako nakabili ng Wigo, then baka hintayin ko yung Xpander Cross hehe. 225m Ground Clearance 😱

[GTi]

Nakakahilo? Sobrang taas siguro ang tire pressure? For as long as you feel at home with the car, araw araw mo pa naman gagamitin. Though for something that racks up highway mileage a lot, I would have preferred something with a bit more power. [emoji28]

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[dr. d]

Nakakahilo? Sobrang taas siguro ang tire pressure? For as long as you feel at home with the car, araw araw mo pa naman gagamitin. Though for something that racks up highway mileage a lot, I would have preferred something with a bit more power. [emoji28]

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mataas talaga wigo tire pressure. the owner's manual recommends 36 psi.
mas madalas rin masira gulong ko.
i do not know if this is because of the brand (champiro), the 36 psi, or the driver's aggressive (teener! heh heh) driving habits.

[dr. d]

Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad. Tutuapp 9Apps ShowBox

the approach angle numbers and departure angle numbers are the numbers to look for and compare, po.
unfortunately, i can't seem to find them in the innernet...

[kisshmet]

^apply trigonometry by measuring the actual ground clearance of the front bumper (opposite) and the distance from the front tire to the frontal edge of the bumper (adjacent)..that will be the tangent of angle theta (opposite over adjacent)

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