Low Cost of Ownership, High Ground Clearance, Brand new. Need help to decide

[lutepea]

Hi,

I'm currently looking to get a new car for daily use. Factors to consider is yung cost of ownership, yung ground clearance (yung hindi po sana sumasayad sa humps, pwede iakyat sa gutter, at pwede mag reverse park sa mga steep inclines).

Current options:
Toyota Rush 1.5 E A/T at 1M
Isuzu MU-X LS A/T at 1.3M

Car usage would be:
20,000 to 30,000 KM Per Year.
Will keep the car for at least 10 years, estimate up to 15 years.
Will not be selling the car afterwards, ipapadala nalang sa province.
If possible, sariling maintain lang sana sa sasakyan, change oil sa gas station, refill fluids, palit mga filter, etc. Then kapag may nasira, dun lang ipapagawa sa CASA or sa Mechanic.

Factors to consider sa cost of ownership:
Vehicle Price
Maintenance Cost
Expected Repairs
Insurance
Registration
Fuel Consumption

Please help me decide. Thanks in advance guys!

[sirkosero]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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[Lakwatsero]

Sama mo Innova E sa choices, may discount sila this month I think 75 or 80k.

[sirkosero]

Sama mo Innova E sa choices, may discount sila this month I think 75 or 80k.

95k. Used to be 110k.

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[lutepea]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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Mas makakatipid kaya ako sir sa overall cost of ownership ng MU-X? 300k din kasi difference sa brand new price eh hehe. Pero iniisip ko po sir sa MU-X baka makatipid ako dahil sa lower fuel consumption at mas mura ng konti yung diesel. Hindi ko lang po alam sa maintenance kung ano mas mahal sa dalawa hehe.

Sama mo Innova E sa choices, may discount sila this month I think 75 or 80k.

Mukhang okay din yung Innova sir. Interested ako dun sa 2.8L engine hehe. Pero interests aside, worry ko lang po ng konti yung approach angle. Yung ground clearance mukhang okay naman for humps and pag akyat sa mga gutter. Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad.

[nelyoung]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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Same here. MUX LS. its a better choice than the Rush. They said, MUX LS is the best substitute by Isuzu Phils for the Crosswind..

[n_spinner06]

Hi,

I'm currently looking to get a new car for daily use. Factors to consider is yung cost of ownership, yung ground clearance (yung hindi po sana sumasayad sa humps, pwede iakyat sa gutter, at pwede mag reverse park sa mga steep inclines).

Current options:
Toyota Rush 1.5 E A/T at 1M
Isuzu MU-X LS A/T at 1.3M

Car usage would be:
20,000 to 30,000 KM Per Year.
Will keep the car for at least 10 years, estimate up to 15 years.
Will not be selling the car afterwards, ipapadala nalang sa province.
If possible, sariling maintain lang sana sa sasakyan, change oil sa gas station, refill fluids, palit mga filter, etc. Then kapag may nasira, dun lang ipapagawa sa CASA or sa Mechanic.

Factors to consider sa cost of ownership:
Vehicle Price
Maintenance Cost
Expected Repairs
Insurance
Registration
Fuel Consumption

Please help me decide. Thanks in advance guys!

Sa price, assuming a 10peso diff between gas and diesel, and assuming you get on average 7kmpl on the rush, you would break even between 7-10years (20-30k annual mileage). Considering you will be using this for 10+ years, i would say halos pareho lang cost sa lifetime ng vehicle if you factor in the extra expenses...masmahal insurance for the costlier vehicle, financing costs if hindi cash, consumables, parts/maintenance, tire replacements after several years, etc. Bottomline, the less mileage/years you put in the more in favor of the rush and vice versa. 30k km annually is a lot of kms. thats a daily run of 80+km.

Also, the 1.5L rush has better power to weight ratio than the rz4e mux. And more airbags too so that's a plus on the safety dept. The mux would be heavier built though and would be better for rough use.

Good luck on your choice!

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[dr. d]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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"so what?"
what avanza do to you?
heh heh.

wigo is not a real toyota, either (whatever that means).
yet it's selling like hotcakes.

[dr. d]

Sa price, assuming a 10peso diff between gas and diesel, and assuming you get on average 7kmpl on the rush, you would break even between 7-10years (20-30k annual mileage). Considering you will be using this for 10+ years, i would say halos pareho lang cost sa lifetime ng vehicle if you factor in the extra expenses...masmahal insurance for the costlier vehicle, financing costs if hindi cash, consumables, parts/maintenance, tire replacements after several years, etc. Bottomline, the less mileage/years you put in the more in favor of the rush and vice versa. 30k km annually is a lot of kms. thats a daily run of 80+km.

Also, the 1.5L rush has better power to weight ratio than the rz4e mux. And more airbags too so that's a plus on the safety dept. The mux would be heavier built though and would be better for rough use.

Good luck on your choice!

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are you rooting for the rush, or the mux?

diesels are built more robustly, because of the higher pressures and temperatures involved in their operation.
as such, parts don't seem to wear out as fast as one might believe.
also, diesels tend to give more km/peso than gas engined-cars, partly because diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline.

one dis-advantage of diesel maintenance, is that they usually need more oil.

but hey! one can't argue against the 200K peso difference!
while some folks look at the longer-range picture, others might be more mindful of the shorter course.

then, there's garage space.
if you don't have a big garage, don't buy a big car, lest you end up parking it overnight on the street.
...don't have a garage? ...what can i say!

a real test-drive would be nice.

[Lakwatsero]

Mas makakatipid kaya ako sir sa overall cost of ownership ng MU-X? 300k din kasi difference sa brand new price eh hehe. Pero iniisip ko po sir sa MU-X baka makatipid ako dahil sa lower fuel consumption at mas mura ng konti yung diesel. Hindi ko lang po alam sa maintenance kung ano mas mahal sa dalawa hehe.



Mukhang okay din yung Innova sir. Interested ako dun sa 2.8L engine hehe. Pero interests aside, worry ko lang po ng konti yung approach angle. Yung ground clearance mukhang okay naman for humps and pag akyat sa mga gutter. Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad.

Ito basic computation lang, not including maintenance. Assuming city driving:

Rush 7km/l, Gasoline P50/l, P7.15 per km fuel cost.

MU-X 9km/l, Diesel P40/l P4.44 per km fuel cost.

Savings of P2.7 per km for Mu-X

If 300k price difference, divide mo sa P2.7, lalabas 111k km kailangan itakbo ng Mu-X bago mo mabawi yung 300k difference sa price.

Assume natin hanggang 250k km mo gamitin yung sasakyan, may savings ka ng P675k on fuel cost.

Nabawi mo na price difference, may P375K ka pa, tingin ko more than enough yan para pambayad sa additional maintenance, kahit magpalit ka pa ng turbo at injectors, may sukli pa. Pero knowing Isuzu, 250k baliwala lang.

Disadvantage higher upfront cost, pero kung bank financing, konting difference sa monthly, mababawi mo rin sa fuel savings. Mas sulit talaga diesel sa atin.

Going back to Innova, never pa ko nakakita sumayad sa steep parking spaces or parking ramps. Imo mas sulit Innova vs Mu-X. Mas mabilis mo pa mababawi vs if kukuha ng Mu-X. Nasa 1.2+M na lang bnew.

[dr. d]

sasayad lang ang innova, auv, and suv, kapag sumayad na lahat nang sedans and hatchbacks...

[travajante]

sasayad lang ang innova, auv, and suv, kapag sumayad na lahat nang sedans and hatchbacks...

Aren't we rooting & pushing Jimny, doc?[emoji4]

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[17Sphynx17]

Ito basic computation lang, not including maintenance. Assuming city driving:

Rush 7km/l, Gasoline P50/l, P7.15 per km fuel cost.

MU-X 9km/l, Diesel P40/l P4.44 per km fuel cost.

Savings of P2.7 per km for Mu-X

If 300k price difference, divide mo sa P2.7, lalabas 111k km kailangan itakbo ng Mu-X bago mo mabawi yung 300k difference sa price.

Assume natin hanggang 250k km mo gamitin yung sasakyan, may savings ka ng P675k on fuel cost.

Nabawi mo na price difference, may P375K ka pa, tingin ko more than enough yan para pambayad sa additional maintenance, kahit magpalit ka pa ng turbo at injectors, may sukli pa. Pero knowing Isuzu, 250k baliwala lang.

Disadvantage higher upfront cost, pero kung bank financing, konting difference sa monthly, mababawi mo rin sa fuel savings. Mas sulit talaga diesel sa atin.

Going back to Innova, never pa ko nakakita sumayad sa steep parking spaces or parking ramps. Imo mas sulit Innova vs Mu-X. Mas mabilis mo pa mababawi vs if kukuha ng Mu-X. Nasa 1.2+M na lang bnew.

For city driving, isnt the rush closer to 6km/l to 6.5km/l?

But i agree with the recommendation that the if budget is restricted, then innova might be the better choice if closer to the price point of rush with some creature comforts. The base mux is practically bare so that might be a deal breaker when some expected basic things are stripped out.

If test drive is possible, it might be best to do that.

If your mileage per year is also due to a lot of highway driving, innova or mux will be the better choice, not only for diesel, but better transmission, greater efficiency on the highway and less constrained by an anemic gasoline engine when loaded.

My two cents.

Good luck in the purchase TS.

Edit: the rubber on the innova would also be cheaper to replace per set compared to the mux when it comes to maintenance, especially given your annual distance covered.

At 30k kms per year, the mux rubber might last you max 2 years, the rush, max 1 year (maybe 1.25 years as those non 8 ply street tires usually last 30k kms to 35k kms.. Depends on what your will comes with), the innova should last about 40k kms (if im not mistaken. I cant remember how many kms our old innova tires lasts before replacing).

[minicarph]

Hi,

I'm currently looking to get a new car for daily use. Factors to consider is yung cost of ownership, yung ground clearance (yung hindi po sana sumasayad sa humps, pwede iakyat sa gutter, at pwede mag reverse park sa mga steep inclines).

Current options:
Toyota Rush 1.5 E A/T at 1M
Isuzu MU-X LS A/T at 1.3M

Car usage would be:
20,000 to 30,000 KM Per Year.
Will keep the car for at least 10 years, estimate up to 15 years.
Will not be selling the car afterwards, ipapadala nalang sa province.
If possible, sariling maintain lang sana sa sasakyan, change oil sa gas station, refill fluids, palit mga filter, etc. Then kapag may nasira, dun lang ipapagawa sa CASA or sa Mechanic.

Factors to consider sa cost of ownership:
Vehicle Price
Maintenance Cost
Expected Repairs
Insurance
Registration
Fuel Consumption

Please help me decide. Thanks in advance guys!

Ako nagasta ko pa lang sa Mux bluepower 2017 ko in terms of maint eh P16k sa casa (3 PMSES na yun, 1k, 5k, 10k) , tapos parang 10k pa dun libre meron ako Isuzu Coupon eh as freebies

Then fuel average of 1.5-2k per month lang ako pero do take note I only go around Ortigas, BGC makati, and i have 2 other alternate diesel cars to go around every week

Sa insurance pala ako gumasta ng malaki, naka almost 60k na ko for 2 years

Ang ok kasi sa isuzu walang keme, na kesyo kelangan ng FS oil daw , they recommend regular diesel oil or semi synth lang

And I dont gas to any of the big 3, Shell, caltex, Petron. They clean their fuels so much na sobrang pino na diesel lakas tuloy maubos

Ang Isuzu mas masaya kung may lead content pa din ang diesel, parang truck lol. Not really lead pero yun old school diesel sigruo boss, ptt, seaoil, total mas mura pa

Yan mitsu montero ok sana pero me racket kasi sa Mitsu casa eh gusto nila fully sunthetic diesel oil na ang laki ng patong, pero kayang kaya ng bagong Montero ang regular diesel oil

Case in point our family’s Pajero BK, nun 3 years sa casa, lagi average 10k every PMS, pero nun out warranty, P3500 na lang sa shell , pareho din performance

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Ang Major down lang sa Isuzu MuX is yun magpapa service ka na, minsan katabi mo Isuzu elf or other big Isuzu trucks na may mga sharp edge, kakatakot kasi pwede talaga magasgasan ang MUx mo pag nagkamali sa maneobra tapos super sikip pa sa casa

Minsan nga nakikita ko ibang MUX ng ibang owners naka park tapos sa taascnya Isuzu elf, gumagamit kasi isuzu service nun motorized lift parking to save space

And also, dont expect too much sa service lounge.

First time service namin, sabi 2 hours lang daw makukuha na, so kami naman ni wife naglabas ng tig isang macbook to work , eh puros driver ng isuzu elf at crosswind ang nag-aantay sa service, medyo nahiya pa tuloy kami kasi para kami nagmamagaling dun.

[minicarph]

Saka nga pala ang kape sa service eh walang ng gatas, dsti meron pa, nescafe white, kopiko blanca, meron silang water dispenser tulad sa bahah nyo na may hot dispenser na super init pag ginamit mo yun yun super nipis na paper cup nila. Nun una ko binuhat mintik ko na mabitawan sa paso

Black na nescafe na lang talaga ang andun , mah creamer naman at sugar. Pero wala yata brown

Diba tulad sa Honda and Hyundai when I used to PmS their may mga caffe latte, capucchino dispenser pa sila sosy

Tapos diba ang palabas sa big screen tv sa ford casa or even Honda, movies talaga Avengers, marvel ganun

Sa Isuzu Service lounge Eat Bulags, show time or kung hapon ka , yun mga drama sa abs cbn na reruns, yun sila claudine barreto at rico yan pa ata yun last time Na service ko

[dr. d]

Aren't we rooting & pushing Jimny, doc?[emoji4]

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toyota ini!
but hey! i wouldn't bash those who jimny. it's so cute.
heh heh.

[sirkosero]

OB, akala ko ba ayaw mo sa diesel? Eh may MUx ka naman pala.

Keep in character bro.

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[sirkosero]

"so what?"
what avanza do to you?
heh heh.

wigo is not a real toyota, either (whatever that means).
yet it's selling like hotcakes.

I tried the avanza and rush before. Walang pinagkaiba. And toyota is marketing it as an SUV. Eh mpv lang naman talaga sya.

Anyway, back to topic, since puro DIY lang naman malamang gawin ni TS, pwede na diesel. Madami naman mekaniko marunong sa diesel. Matibay pati engines nito

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[Lakwatsero]

For city driving, isnt the rush closer to 6km/l to 6.5km/l?

But i agree with the recommendation that the if budget is restricted, then innova might be the better choice if closer to the price point of rush with some creature comforts. The base mux is practically bare so that might be a deal breaker when some expected basic things are stripped out.

If test drive is possible, it might be best to do that.

If your mileage per year is also due to a lot of highway driving, innova or mux will be the better choice, not only for diesel, but better transmission, greater efficiency on the highway and less constrained by an anemic gasoline engine when loaded.

My two cents.

Good luck in the purchase TS.

Edit: the rubber on the innova would also be cheaper to replace per set compared to the mux when it comes to maintenance, especially given your annual distance covered.

At 30k kms per year, the mux rubber might last you max 2 years, the rush, max 1 year (maybe 1.25 years as those non 8 ply street tires usually last 30k kms to 35k kms.. Depends on what your will comes with), the innova should last about 40k kms (if im not mistaken. I cant remember how many kms our old innova tires lasts before replacing).

7km/l is a conservative assumption only, if it gets even worse mileage, that further strengthens my point of going diesel.

If it's strictly Rush or Mu-X, then Mu-X. From what I understand, he wants the SUV look hence these two.

It's just so hard to recommend the Mu-X base cos there's the Innova. Imagine Mu-X getting DRLs and 8" touchscreen, but no power side mirrors nor rear windshield wiper.

[LancerA174A]

I'll take the Rush over the base mu-X just for the extra 5 airbags and standard stability control. Personally I find the mu-X's dimensions quite tricky to drive especially in our provincial roads.

Casa PMS price is around 5-7K every 5K KM for the older 2.5, though they claim the new RZ4E is cheaper to maintain and requires less consumable parts.

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