Low Cost of Ownership, High Ground Clearance, Brand new. Need help to decide

[lutepea]

Hi,

I'm currently looking to get a new car for daily use. Factors to consider is yung cost of ownership, yung ground clearance (yung hindi po sana sumasayad sa humps, pwede iakyat sa gutter, at pwede mag reverse park sa mga steep inclines).

Current options:
Toyota Rush 1.5 E A/T at 1M
Isuzu MU-X LS A/T at 1.3M

Car usage would be:
20,000 to 30,000 KM Per Year.
Will keep the car for at least 10 years, estimate up to 15 years.
Will not be selling the car afterwards, ipapadala nalang sa province.
If possible, sariling maintain lang sana sa sasakyan, change oil sa gas station, refill fluids, palit mga filter, etc. Then kapag may nasira, dun lang ipapagawa sa CASA or sa Mechanic.

Factors to consider sa cost of ownership:
Vehicle Price
Maintenance Cost
Expected Repairs
Insurance
Registration
Fuel Consumption

Please help me decide. Thanks in advance guys!

[sirkosero]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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[nelyoung]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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Same here. MUX LS. its a better choice than the Rush. They said, MUX LS is the best substitute by Isuzu Phils for the Crosswind..

[dr. d]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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"so what?"
what avanza do to you?
heh heh.

wigo is not a real toyota, either (whatever that means).
yet it's selling like hotcakes.

[sirkosero]

"so what?"
what avanza do to you?
heh heh.

wigo is not a real toyota, either (whatever that means).
yet it's selling like hotcakes.

I tried the avanza and rush before. Walang pinagkaiba. And toyota is marketing it as an SUV. Eh mpv lang naman talaga sya.

Anyway, back to topic, since puro DIY lang naman malamang gawin ni TS, pwede na diesel. Madami naman mekaniko marunong sa diesel. Matibay pati engines nito

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[Lakwatsero]

Sama mo Innova E sa choices, may discount sila this month I think 75 or 80k.

[sirkosero]

Sama mo Innova E sa choices, may discount sila this month I think 75 or 80k.

95k. Used to be 110k.

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[lutepea]

Mux.

Rush is a glorified avanza. Its not even a real toyota

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Mas makakatipid kaya ako sir sa overall cost of ownership ng MU-X? 300k din kasi difference sa brand new price eh hehe. Pero iniisip ko po sir sa MU-X baka makatipid ako dahil sa lower fuel consumption at mas mura ng konti yung diesel. Hindi ko lang po alam sa maintenance kung ano mas mahal sa dalawa hehe.

Sama mo Innova E sa choices, may discount sila this month I think 75 or 80k.

Mukhang okay din yung Innova sir. Interested ako dun sa 2.8L engine hehe. Pero interests aside, worry ko lang po ng konti yung approach angle. Yung ground clearance mukhang okay naman for humps and pag akyat sa mga gutter. Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad.

[Lakwatsero]

Mas makakatipid kaya ako sir sa overall cost of ownership ng MU-X? 300k din kasi difference sa brand new price eh hehe. Pero iniisip ko po sir sa MU-X baka makatipid ako dahil sa lower fuel consumption at mas mura ng konti yung diesel. Hindi ko lang po alam sa maintenance kung ano mas mahal sa dalawa hehe.



Mukhang okay din yung Innova sir. Interested ako dun sa 2.8L engine hehe. Pero interests aside, worry ko lang po ng konti yung approach angle. Yung ground clearance mukhang okay naman for humps and pag akyat sa mga gutter. Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad.

Ito basic computation lang, not including maintenance. Assuming city driving:

Rush 7km/l, Gasoline P50/l, P7.15 per km fuel cost.

MU-X 9km/l, Diesel P40/l P4.44 per km fuel cost.

Savings of P2.7 per km for Mu-X

If 300k price difference, divide mo sa P2.7, lalabas 111k km kailangan itakbo ng Mu-X bago mo mabawi yung 300k difference sa price.

Assume natin hanggang 250k km mo gamitin yung sasakyan, may savings ka ng P675k on fuel cost.

Nabawi mo na price difference, may P375K ka pa, tingin ko more than enough yan para pambayad sa additional maintenance, kahit magpalit ka pa ng turbo at injectors, may sukli pa. Pero knowing Isuzu, 250k baliwala lang.

Disadvantage higher upfront cost, pero kung bank financing, konting difference sa monthly, mababawi mo rin sa fuel savings. Mas sulit talaga diesel sa atin.

Going back to Innova, never pa ko nakakita sumayad sa steep parking spaces or parking ramps. Imo mas sulit Innova vs Mu-X. Mas mabilis mo pa mababawi vs if kukuha ng Mu-X. Nasa 1.2+M na lang bnew.

[dr. d]

sasayad lang ang innova, auv, and suv, kapag sumayad na lahat nang sedans and hatchbacks...

[travajante]

sasayad lang ang innova, auv, and suv, kapag sumayad na lahat nang sedans and hatchbacks...

Aren't we rooting & pushing Jimny, doc?[emoji4]

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[17Sphynx17]

Ito basic computation lang, not including maintenance. Assuming city driving:

Rush 7km/l, Gasoline P50/l, P7.15 per km fuel cost.

MU-X 9km/l, Diesel P40/l P4.44 per km fuel cost.

Savings of P2.7 per km for Mu-X

If 300k price difference, divide mo sa P2.7, lalabas 111k km kailangan itakbo ng Mu-X bago mo mabawi yung 300k difference sa price.

Assume natin hanggang 250k km mo gamitin yung sasakyan, may savings ka ng P675k on fuel cost.

Nabawi mo na price difference, may P375K ka pa, tingin ko more than enough yan para pambayad sa additional maintenance, kahit magpalit ka pa ng turbo at injectors, may sukli pa. Pero knowing Isuzu, 250k baliwala lang.

Disadvantage higher upfront cost, pero kung bank financing, konting difference sa monthly, mababawi mo rin sa fuel savings. Mas sulit talaga diesel sa atin.

Going back to Innova, never pa ko nakakita sumayad sa steep parking spaces or parking ramps. Imo mas sulit Innova vs Mu-X. Mas mabilis mo pa mababawi vs if kukuha ng Mu-X. Nasa 1.2+M na lang bnew.

For city driving, isnt the rush closer to 6km/l to 6.5km/l?

But i agree with the recommendation that the if budget is restricted, then innova might be the better choice if closer to the price point of rush with some creature comforts. The base mux is practically bare so that might be a deal breaker when some expected basic things are stripped out.

If test drive is possible, it might be best to do that.

If your mileage per year is also due to a lot of highway driving, innova or mux will be the better choice, not only for diesel, but better transmission, greater efficiency on the highway and less constrained by an anemic gasoline engine when loaded.

My two cents.

Good luck in the purchase TS.

Edit: the rubber on the innova would also be cheaper to replace per set compared to the mux when it comes to maintenance, especially given your annual distance covered.

At 30k kms per year, the mux rubber might last you max 2 years, the rush, max 1 year (maybe 1.25 years as those non 8 ply street tires usually last 30k kms to 35k kms.. Depends on what your will comes with), the innova should last about 40k kms (if im not mistaken. I cant remember how many kms our old innova tires lasts before replacing).

[Lakwatsero]

For city driving, isnt the rush closer to 6km/l to 6.5km/l?

But i agree with the recommendation that the if budget is restricted, then innova might be the better choice if closer to the price point of rush with some creature comforts. The base mux is practically bare so that might be a deal breaker when some expected basic things are stripped out.

If test drive is possible, it might be best to do that.

If your mileage per year is also due to a lot of highway driving, innova or mux will be the better choice, not only for diesel, but better transmission, greater efficiency on the highway and less constrained by an anemic gasoline engine when loaded.

My two cents.

Good luck in the purchase TS.

Edit: the rubber on the innova would also be cheaper to replace per set compared to the mux when it comes to maintenance, especially given your annual distance covered.

At 30k kms per year, the mux rubber might last you max 2 years, the rush, max 1 year (maybe 1.25 years as those non 8 ply street tires usually last 30k kms to 35k kms.. Depends on what your will comes with), the innova should last about 40k kms (if im not mistaken. I cant remember how many kms our old innova tires lasts before replacing).

7km/l is a conservative assumption only, if it gets even worse mileage, that further strengthens my point of going diesel.

If it's strictly Rush or Mu-X, then Mu-X. From what I understand, he wants the SUV look hence these two.

It's just so hard to recommend the Mu-X base cos there's the Innova. Imagine Mu-X getting DRLs and 8" touchscreen, but no power side mirrors nor rear windshield wiper.

[dr. d]

Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad. Tutuapp 9Apps ShowBox

the approach angle numbers and departure angle numbers are the numbers to look for and compare, po.
unfortunately, i can't seem to find them in the innernet...

[17Sphynx17]

Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad. Tutuapp 9Apps ShowBox

Given that 2 inches (+/- 50mm) na lang natitira sa approach angle on the front bumper, I am honestly curious, what is the slope of your ramp/incline? Parang abrupt ata yung slope nun and walang transition at all. And we are talking about parking spaces in your post.

If it applies to the Fortuner, panu pa mga crossover sa ganun and sedan. So parang lumalabas SUVs only lang pwede pumasok sa ramp/incline na ganun.

[GTi]

Mas makakatipid kaya ako sir sa overall cost of ownership ng MU-X? 300k din kasi difference sa brand new price eh hehe. Pero iniisip ko po sir sa MU-X baka makatipid ako dahil sa lower fuel consumption at mas mura ng konti yung diesel. Hindi ko lang po alam sa maintenance kung ano mas mahal sa dalawa hehe.



Mukhang okay din yung Innova sir. Interested ako dun sa 2.8L engine hehe. Pero interests aside, worry ko lang po ng konti yung approach angle. Yung ground clearance mukhang okay naman for humps and pag akyat sa mga gutter. Pero pag reverse park sir sa mga inclined na parking spaces. Baka sumayad yung harapan kapag paalis na? Sa Fortuner kasi sir mga 2 inches lang yung allowance bago sumayad.

Mga taxi sa Baguio halos puro Innova. Napapansin ko halos lahat sila nakalift ng konti. Taller springs perhaps? But still does not stop them from buying, meaning pasado na sa kanila ang height. This is also worth considering since you get more interior space than the Fortuner, with the same platform and an even better engine than the 4x2 Fortuner, with lesser maintenance cost in the form of much cheaper tires, which should be quite significant for you since you plan to rack up lots of mileage quickly.

Between the two, MUX na ako. Won't expect the Rush to do better than 7km/L, P10-12/L more expensive pa ang gasolina. The MUX 1.9 will surely do better than 7km/L, with potential to double, or even triple in highway driving, with fuel that is P10-12/L cheaper. Routine maintenance cost difference will not be as significant since it is done only once every few months at most. Though the RZ4E is a relatively new engine, since the MUX/D-Max are volume sellers, I would expect that by the time it retires to the province, mechanics would already be very familiar with it.

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[n_spinner06]

Hi,

I'm currently looking to get a new car for daily use. Factors to consider is yung cost of ownership, yung ground clearance (yung hindi po sana sumasayad sa humps, pwede iakyat sa gutter, at pwede mag reverse park sa mga steep inclines).

Current options:
Toyota Rush 1.5 E A/T at 1M
Isuzu MU-X LS A/T at 1.3M

Car usage would be:
20,000 to 30,000 KM Per Year.
Will keep the car for at least 10 years, estimate up to 15 years.
Will not be selling the car afterwards, ipapadala nalang sa province.
If possible, sariling maintain lang sana sa sasakyan, change oil sa gas station, refill fluids, palit mga filter, etc. Then kapag may nasira, dun lang ipapagawa sa CASA or sa Mechanic.

Factors to consider sa cost of ownership:
Vehicle Price
Maintenance Cost
Expected Repairs
Insurance
Registration
Fuel Consumption

Please help me decide. Thanks in advance guys!

Sa price, assuming a 10peso diff between gas and diesel, and assuming you get on average 7kmpl on the rush, you would break even between 7-10years (20-30k annual mileage). Considering you will be using this for 10+ years, i would say halos pareho lang cost sa lifetime ng vehicle if you factor in the extra expenses...masmahal insurance for the costlier vehicle, financing costs if hindi cash, consumables, parts/maintenance, tire replacements after several years, etc. Bottomline, the less mileage/years you put in the more in favor of the rush and vice versa. 30k km annually is a lot of kms. thats a daily run of 80+km.

Also, the 1.5L rush has better power to weight ratio than the rz4e mux. And more airbags too so that's a plus on the safety dept. The mux would be heavier built though and would be better for rough use.

Good luck on your choice!

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[dr. d]

Sa price, assuming a 10peso diff between gas and diesel, and assuming you get on average 7kmpl on the rush, you would break even between 7-10years (20-30k annual mileage). Considering you will be using this for 10+ years, i would say halos pareho lang cost sa lifetime ng vehicle if you factor in the extra expenses...masmahal insurance for the costlier vehicle, financing costs if hindi cash, consumables, parts/maintenance, tire replacements after several years, etc. Bottomline, the less mileage/years you put in the more in favor of the rush and vice versa. 30k km annually is a lot of kms. thats a daily run of 80+km.

Also, the 1.5L rush has better power to weight ratio than the rz4e mux. And more airbags too so that's a plus on the safety dept. The mux would be heavier built though and would be better for rough use.

Good luck on your choice!

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are you rooting for the rush, or the mux?

diesels are built more robustly, because of the higher pressures and temperatures involved in their operation.
as such, parts don't seem to wear out as fast as one might believe.
also, diesels tend to give more km/peso than gas engined-cars, partly because diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline.

one dis-advantage of diesel maintenance, is that they usually need more oil.

but hey! one can't argue against the 200K peso difference!
while some folks look at the longer-range picture, others might be more mindful of the shorter course.

then, there's garage space.
if you don't have a big garage, don't buy a big car, lest you end up parking it overnight on the street.
...don't have a garage? ...what can i say!

a real test-drive would be nice.

[n_spinner06]

are you rooting for the rush, or the mux?

diesels are built more robustly, because of the higher pressures and temperatures involved in their operation.
as such, parts don't seem to wear out as fast as one might believe.
also, diesels tend to give more km/peso than gas engined-cars, partly because diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline.

one dis-advantage of diesel maintenance, is that they usually need more oil.

but hey! one can't argue against the 200K peso difference!
while some folks look at the longer-range picture, others might be more mindful of the shorter course.

then, there's garage space.
if you don't have a big garage, don't buy a big car, lest you end up parking it overnight on the street.
...don't have a garage? ...what can i say!

a real test-drive would be nice.

Between his choices, im partial to the rush doc. Diesels are indeed built more robustly, not because they want to make them tougher, but as you said, because the design parameters warrants it i.e. higher pressures and temps. Of course a gasoline engine could be built heavier but to what end - when it is not required. May penalty pa sa weight if ever so liability pa. Bottomline for me, engines are designed for the intended purpose, so one is not inherently tougher just because - diesel.

My 2c.

Rush wins hands down sa safety. If the TS intends to transport his family regularly at highway speeds (deducing from the 30k annually he expects to travel..i dont think city driving yan), then the added airbags are a boon. Kung mag.isa lang lagi, di issue ito since may driver airbag naman both vehicles. May abs ba ang base model mux? Wala ata iirc.

Both vehicles are built very similarly. Rwd. Independent front, solid rear axles. Coil suspension. High ground clearance. 7 seats. Etc. Major difference is the powerplant. The nr-series engine of the rush is no slouch naman kung tibay lang. Timing chain na din naman. The rz4e is heavily dependent on the turbo, and the higher pressures and temps mentioned above takes its toll in the long run. Spark plugs are definitely more cheaper than injectors if they need replacing. The simpler gas engine would be easier to maintain a decade or more down the line imho.

Power to weight, it favors the rush. 104ps. 136nm. 1150 kg...yung mux 150ps. 350nm. 2650kg. That's more than double the weight, but with only 40+ps more. Diesel has, of course, more pull. And since you have to rev the gas engine to get the power, it feels more 'anemic' despite probably very close acceleration numbers. When fully loaded though, the rush would certainly 'feel' it more since the added 300-400kg is 1)already 1/3 of its weight and 2)lower torque. If personal car (hindi naman siguri to school bus or uv express na 7 pax all the time), di major factor yan. Otherwise, wise option ang mux kung loaded lagi because of the extra torque.

Then the elephant in the room, cost. 300k outright difference. If he chooses to finance it, roughly the same difference. One kind tsikiteer computed for us na break even siguro more or less 3-5yrs assuming the TS didn't overestimate his 20-30k annual kms. Less mileage favors the rush. More use favors the diesel mux.







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[atty.cadmus]

Between his choices, im partial to the rush doc. Diesels are indeed built more robustly, not because they want to make them tougher, but as you said, because the design parameters warrants it i.e. higher pressures and temps. Of course a gasoline engine could be built heavier but to what end - when it is not required. May penalty pa sa weight if ever so liability pa. Bottomline for me, engines are designed for the intended purpose, so one is not inherently tougher just because - diesel.

My 2c.

Rush wins hands down sa safety. If the TS intends to transport his family regularly at highway speeds (deducing from the 30k annually he expects to travel..i dont think city driving yan), then the added airbags are a boon. Kung mag.isa lang lagi, di issue ito since may driver airbag naman both vehicles. May abs ba ang base model mux? Wala ata iirc.

Both vehicles are built very similarly. Rwd. Independent front, solid rear axles. Coil suspension. High ground clearance. 7 seats. Etc. Major difference is the powerplant. The nr-series engine of the rush is no slouch naman kung tibay lang. Timing chain na din naman. The rz4e is heavily dependent on the turbo, and the higher pressures and temps mentioned above takes its toll in the long run. Spark plugs are definitely more cheaper than injectors if they need replacing. The simpler gas engine would be easier to maintain a decade or more down the line imho.

Power to weight, it favors the rush. 104ps. 136nm. 1150 kg...yung mux 150ps. 350nm. 2650kg. That's more than double the weight, but with only 40+ps more. Diesel has, of course, more pull. And since you have to rev the gas engine to get the power, it feels more 'anemic' despite probably very close acceleration numbers. When fully loaded though, the rush would certainly 'feel' it more since the added 300-400kg is 1)already 1/3 of its weight and 2)lower torque. If personal car (hindi naman siguri to school bus or uv express na 7 pax all the time), di major factor yan. Otherwise, wise option ang mux kung loaded lagi because of the extra torque.

Then the elephant in the room, cost. 300k outright difference. If he chooses to finance it, roughly the same difference. One kind tsikiteer computed for us na break even siguro more or less 3-5yrs assuming the TS didn't overestimate his 20-30k annual kms. Less mileage favors the rush. More use favors the diesel mux.







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ganda nang input sir.