lightning lab or jbl speakers (separates)

[NMuranoZ51]

Bosch lng nakalagay sa taas ng speaker ko sa car hangang dun lang alam ko lol..

Pero sarap talaga basahin thread nato gahaha


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[seven6red]

Hmmn, iba nga ata intindi nung isa sa rebranding..inequate sa pamimirata or fake?

How would you explain rebranding in simple terms ba?hehe..outsourced yung manufacturing?
For instance sa TV, yung Devant, rebrand lang din yan..di mo masasabi na fake or pirata kahit gawa sa China.
One was arguing objectively tapos yung isa naman biglang personal na yung attack

Oh siya group hug na lang hehe

[K.I.L.L.]

I'd like to add my two cents in this matter.

I work in the consumer electronics industry. A rebrand happens when a domestic company decides to purchase a product from an OEM manufacturer and stamp their own brand on it. This is a common practice everywhere though it happens more often in Asia, Africa and South America. Almost all OEM factories are now located in China.

Engineering for audio which involves scientific research and development is a very costly exercise and sadly, there is not much of that happening here in the Philippines for electronics. If there were, we would be seeing a lot of patents being filed at the IPO.

It is economically impossible for one company to be involved in the manufacture of a wide scope of products unless they are giants in the industry. Even the giants like Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, Sanyo and others share resources from time to time. For a small company to approach the "shotgun" method in putting out products, they would need to have suppliers from different OEM factories.

Taking out the emotion in the exchanges in this thread and approaching it from a technical and business standpoint, I find jhnkvn's posts are astute and correct.

As an aside, I am familiar with the Nautilus line of B&W speakers though I am more a fan of Sonus Faber. Those are serious drivers you're using. I don't know anyone who'd use that midrange driver in their vehicle. My hat's off to you.

[chard23]

sarap magbasa ng thread na ito :D

dito sa imus pumunta ka sa coastal anabu mga tricycle dito ginagastusan
20,000 50,000 105,000 pasetup lang ng sounds!

http://tsikot.com/forums/car-audio-v...ml#post2315220

[K.I.L.L.]

Hmmn, iba nga ata intindi nung isa sa rebranding..inequate sa pamimirata or fake?

How would you explain rebranding in simple terms ba?hehe..outsourced yung manufacturing?
For instance sa TV, yung Devant, rebrand lang din yan..di mo masasabi na fake or pirata kahit gawa sa China.
One was arguing objectively tapos yung isa naman biglang personal na yung attack

Oh siya group hug na lang hehe

A company that rebrands sources their electronics from manufacturers such as those based in China. What happens in a scenario like this is that the factories would send out their new product lines every quarter to companies with a domestic brand. Domestic brand then would request for some customised features for their market as well as have their trademark stamped on the product.

A counterfeit product would be made by another factory who uses someone else's trademark and tries to pass it off as the real thing. A pirated product only covers those that use copyright such as movies, music and the like and other forms of Intellectual Property covered under international trade law.

[seven6red]

^^There..I hope this would clarify matters regarding what a rebrand is.

[jhnkvn]

Yep. K.I.L.L si correct.

For one, I didn't equate it with fake goods.. I simply called it a rebrand. Yun nakakatawa dito, ako pa daw hindi may alam kung ano meaning ng rebranded

When did I say products made in China are useless? I simply stated sa first post ko dito that LL is a China-rebrand and JBL, as part of the larger Harman Group, will win out in brand power.

Feel ko nakikipagargue ako sa di nagaral. It'll be ironic if I said no offense pero I keep on saying the exact thing and you still don't get it. Binigyan na nga ng fifteen (15) examples - not just one example.. but fifteen!

As much as I do admire the tricycles with 105,000php setups, tricycles sila. Looks like people there have a very bad sense of investment for me.

Straight Cerwin Vega, cool! Is it a Stroker? Pwede ko ba bilhin? I won't call the CV cheap.. why should I? I like their old-school Strokers.. but I'll call the tricycle cheap. Yep.. since it's a tricycle.

Parang ganito lang kasi yun analogy. Let's say you're a person with a net worth of Php1 million and you're an owner of a Lamborghini. I won't call the Lamborghini cheap.. but I'll say that the person IS cheap because he's buying things that aren't really value-adding. Just some life advice: it's how the poor becomes poor... so, boss, don't go that route since it's not just bad taste.. it's bad for your finances.

Uhh... bakit naman nasama si Google dito? Ano correlation ng Google sa pagyayabang? If I had to Google each and every one ng post ko dito sa Car Audio section ng Tsikot, ang dami kong oras kung ganun, boss.

Ay, hindi ba umabot yun isang amplifier? Sorry boss.. ede gawin natin dalawa . Madami pa akong pieces sa kotse ko as spare.. For example.. di pa included speakers ko.. or processors.. woodworking expenses.. wiring, etc.

So boss, alam mo na ba kung bakit ang Targa ay matigas bumayo tapos ang Manix malambot bumayo? Wala pa rin kasi ako nakikitang sagot para malaman naman ng mga fellow forumers natin kung bakit at makatulong tayo sa edukasyon nila abot sa car audio.

Hindi naman mahirap tanong ko... 12 years na ka installer diba? Dapat mabilis nalang ito! Gusto mo ba ng hint? tips maybe? Hehehehe...

Don't flaunt the 12 year installer/experience/karpintero flag since if that's your profession.. konting naawa ako as I do this as a hobby. How did I start? Just like everybody else -- walang alam.. pero nagtatanong at natututo and since there were people kind enough to teach me dati, I give back by teaching others.

I don't like flaunting my equipment. Both the equipment and cost. That's why I don't usually join competitions. Why should I? Like I said.. it's for self-satisfaction. But if you'll taunt me na "natalo ka lang sa LL dati kaya sinisiraan mo sila", now that's a whole different ball game.

To correct you there.. fact is, it's also almost impossible that I'll be fighting LL sa category na sinasali ko. I compete under EMMA Philippines' SQ Advanced Unlimited category.

Unfortunately, yun mga kalaban ko usually mga big-pockets customers or installer cars that ranges Php250,000 upwards as minimum. Lightning Lab isn't even an option on our category. Gamitin namin yan at papagtawan kami.. Hell.. tignan mo competitors ko.. most expensive award if I remember still goes to Mike's Subaru Forester with a cool Php 2million worth of Bewith stuff inside back in EMMA 2012.

So please.. raise your standards, read more, learn more, and be a better installer.

Since 12 years mo? Is kinda useless if you don't progress.

[red_one]

Rebranded Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng JBL speaker. Tinanggal nya yung JBL logo, pinalitan nya ng LL logo bago ibenta. that's Rebranding.

Fake Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng knock-off copy ng JBL speaker. Then nilagyan nya ng JBL logo bago ibenta. that's Fake.

[jhnkvn]

OT

As an aside, I am familiar with the Nautilus line of B&W speakers though I am more a fan of Sonus Faber. Those are serious drivers you're using. I don't know anyone who'd use that midrange driver in their vehicle. My hat's off to you.

Ohh.. Sonus Faber fans

Actually I settled for the cheaper 5" midrange of the CM series rather than the 6" midrange of the Series 800. The 6" was too big truthfully to be thrown on A-pillars.



Here's what the 5" dedicated midrange driver looks alongside a 2" full-range Dominations speakers.

[NMuranoZ51]

Wala na ko masabi kung hindi basahin padin thread na to kung may nagaaway paba o wala LOL


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[jhnkvn]

Rebranded Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng JBL speaker. Tinanggal nya yung JBL logo, pinalitan nya ng LL logo bago ibenta. that's Rebranding.

Fake Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng knock-off copy ng JBL speaker. Then nilagyan nya ng JBL logo bago ibenta. that's Fake.

A bit incorrect, red.

Example: Bumili si LL ng JBL speaker. Tinanggal nya yung JBL logo, pinalitan nya ng LL logo bago ibenta. that's Rebranding.

To be a rebrand, you need to be outsourcing your speakers to a generic mass-manufacturing speaker company then you relabel.

If you buy a JBL speaker, tinangal mo yun logo and change it with a logo of your choice then you resell it.. tawag na dyan is a fake or counterfeit.

The reasons for this is because JBL has numerous patents on their speakers and simply rebranding those means copyright infringement.

Once you know it's a copy of a known product, it's already called a counterfeit.

Parang bags lang yan.. let me give you an analogy.



Let's say you have a Louis Vuitton bag. You know it's an LV bag kasi.. well.. design and logo palang alam mo na LV siya.

Let's also say you managed to change the LV with the Louis Vuitton logo. Since ayaw mo ng LV.. ginawa mo MV.. for Michael V but everything else remains the same except the logo.

What you have there is a fake good. You aren't rebranding.. it's a copy because LV's has patents sa design and logo imprints ng bag niya.. and that constitutes its brand identity. Even if you change the LV mini logos of the bag into MV.. you're still liable for counterfeiting and LVMH can sue you for that since what they patent also is the "design".

[Retz]

A little bit off topic.... how about toyota motor oils? are they considered as "rebranding" or "fake" ? since they change the packaging and label to toyota.

[Ry_Tower]

Misinformed lang si L art. Mahirap na makarinig yan kasi japeks audio na gamit.

[jhnkvn]

A little bit off topic.... how about toyota motor oils? are they considered as "rebranding" or "fake" ? since they change the packaging and label to toyota.

In this case, OEM motor oil supplier will license Toyota to rebrand their motor oils. It's a rebrand.

The definition of fake is easy lang naman: does it infringe upon anybody's copyright or patent? No? it's not a fake.

[jhnkvn]

Misinformed lang si L art. Mahirap na makarinig yan kasi japeks audio na gamit.

Harsh naman Ry... di naman siguro japeks... "rebranded" lang naman :naughty2:

[red_one]

*jhnkvn: hahaha.. oo nga pala. i missed that part. di nga pala pwede basta magtanggal na logo lang. reworded..

Rebranded Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng generic speaker from an OEM/ODM manufacturer from China, had it labeled with LL logo, tapos ibinenta sa Pinas. that's Rebranding.

[JasLi Art]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

A bit incorrect, red.

Example: Bumili si LL ng JBL speaker. Tinanggal nya yung JBL logo, pinalitan nya ng LL logo bago ibenta. that's Rebranding.

To be a rebrand, you need to be outsourcing your speakers to a generic mass-manufacturing speaker company then you relabel.

If you buy a JBL speaker, tinangal mo yun logo and change it with a logo of your choice then you resell it.. tawag na dyan is a fake or counterfeit.

The reasons for this is because JBL has numerous patents on their speakers and simply rebranding those means copyright infringement.

Once you know it's a copy of a known product, it's already called a counterfeit.

Parang bags lang yan.. let me give you an analogy.



Let's say you have a Louis Vuitton bag. You know it's an LV bag kasi.. well.. design and logo palang alam mo na LV siya.

Let's also say you managed to change the LV with the Louis Vuitton logo. Since ayaw mo ng LV.. ginawa mo MV.. for Michael V but everything else remains the same except the logo.

What you have there is a fake good. You aren't rebranding.. it's a copy because LV's has patents sa design and logo imprints ng bag niya.. and that constitutes its brand identity. Even if you change the LV mini logos of the bag into MV.. you're still liable for counterfeiting and LVMH can sue you for that since what they patent also is the "design".

TAMPERING ang tawag jan sa sinasabi mo hangal!

Noun 1. tampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperlytampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperly
meddling
change of state - the act of changing something into something different in essential characteristics


ano paninindigan mo pa rin ang kahangalan mong rebranding?

binili ko lahat ng produkto mo tapos pinalitan ko ng ibang pangalan at logo
rebranding?
sarili mong produkto pag pinalitan mo ng name or logo ang matatawag mong rebranding!
meaning binuhay mo ulet sa makabagong style or pangalan hay nako
sira na talaga ulo mo
nakalog na yata ng subwoofer mo utak mo brad hahaha boooo!


ano nga ulet? isang ampli mo palang isang buong setup na namin?
wooooaa! lakas ng hangin dito wooaa!
hambog mo palang nakakahawi na ng damuhan nyahahaha!

[JasLi Art]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

*jhnkvn: hahaha.. oo nga pala. i missed that part. di nga pala pwede basta magtanggal na logo lang. reworded..

Rebranded Goods.
Example: Bumili si LL ng generic speaker from an OEM/ODM manufacturer from China, had it labeled with LL logo, tapos ibinenta sa Pinas. that's Rebranding.

joined forces? haha
sige brad magdidikit ka kay rebranding ng pati utak mo maging rebrand narin hahaha


bumili si LL ng speaker from an oem manufacturer from china had it labeled with
LL logo tapos binenta sa pinas thats TAMPERING.

cme on! nagaral ba kayo? siguro naman
or sadyang hindi lang ginagamit ng tama ang utak
hindi po accessories sa ulo yan hahaha

[seven6red]

Bro jasli, are we to assume then that LL has a factory in China?

Marami palang tampered products ang Cd-R King ano? tsk tsk

[jhnkvn]

*sigh* Galing ng utak

At least marunong na mag Dictionary.com

Noun 1. tampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperly
tampering - the act of altering something secretly or improperly
meddling
change of state - the act of changing something into something different in essential characteristics

Problema lang.. nakalimutan niya makita yun synonym. HAHAHAHA

Synonyms
1. interfere.

Tamper | Define Tamper at Dictionary.com

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binuhay mo ulet sa makabagong style or pangalan

Uhhh....

Rebranding is a marketing strategy in which a new name, term, symbol, design, or combination thereof is created for an established brand with the intention of developing a new, differentiated identity in the minds of consumers, investors, and competitors. -Wikipedia.org (Rebranding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Hindi ko na kilangan magtype ng counter-argument .. Wikipedia does it for me

San na ba yun sagot mo sa tanong ko? Di parin makasagot? Naka isang araw na.. mukhang nahihirapan 12 years of experience mo, boss