lightning lab or jbl speakers (separates)

[LLOY]

naka bili na po ako ng seps, teac ung brand, wala po akong amp, direct ung speaker sa HU.....

sir, kumusta po yung TEAC seps niyo?ok po ba siya?

[JasLi Art]

This.


In terms of brand, obviously JBL wins hands-down. LL is simply a China-rebrand retailer much like CDR-King while JBL is part of Harman Group and is prestigious enough that most people know who they are.

correction lang po ang lightning lab ay hindi rebrand. lightning lab is original philippine brand engineered and produce lang sya sa china gaya ng ginagawa ng ibang international brand. ayun yan mismo sa team lightning lab.
meaning authentic ang mga pyesa nila hindi pirated or fake.

check nyo nalang po sila sa fan page nila, at sa kanila nyo na rin po itanong.

LL straight user here

[jhnkvn]

correction lang po ang lightning lab ay hindi rebrand. lightning lab is original philippine brand engineered and produce lang sya sa china gaya ng ginagawa ng ibang international brand. ayun yan mismo sa team lightning lab.
meaning authentic ang mga pyesa nila hindi pirated or fake.

check nyo nalang po sila sa fan page nila, at sa kanila nyo na rin po itanong.

LL straight user here

I never said LL is pirated nor a fake. I said it's a product rebrand because it seeks to differentiate itself from others when... it isn't. You're simply slapping a label over it. There's no brand identity.. hell.. if bored and given enough time kaya ko hanapin yun supplier and order the exact same speaker with everything else (TS parameters, etc.) within standard deviation.

Tell me what brand engineering means. What did Lightning Lab contribute to the speaker world that merits it the word engineering? UK's Bower and Wilkins have their fixed surround suspension (FST) as a contribution, Focal has their glass-layered sandwiches that they use at every product line they have, McIntosh Labs has made advancements in power clipping technology. These advancements differentiate themselves from everybody else in the market. If let's say somebody uses the exact same material, construction, and everything else on these products. Do you think it's called a rebrand? Nope. It's now called a copy.

Everybody who knows speaker construction 101 can create a speaker.. but that isn't engineering.

It's very easy to find schematics on the internet. Good speaker design schematic? Check. Good amplifier design schematic? Check.

Let's check out a more upscale rebrand known in EMMA Philippine circles. Look at JC Audio's Sonus line of amplifiers. I highly recommend its Sonus Enigma lineup at the 16,000php price range. It looks good (very good in fact), measures well, sounds good, and has a good amount of power for its price. But how they do it is actually pretty easy -- you get a manufacturer in China.. they'll send you a list of parts you want to include in your amplifier, you say you want X, Y, Z... they make your amplifier on what you want and on your X amount of orders then ship it here. The distributor then resells it to resellers and finally to consumers. See their Europhia lineup at 45,000php? Now go search Facebook for Thailand's Harmotech amplifiers -- you'd be surprised at the similarities.

For the more enterprising ones out there. Want a speaker manufacturer from China? Easy. Simply go to Alibaba. A small company such as this one: Guangzhou Soundsing Audio Manufacturing Co., Ltd. - Horn,Diaphragm would happily cater to anybody who wants to make speakers. Just remember to send them your logo so you can have your own brand identity once it arrives on our shores.

It all boils down to brand identity.

[JasLi Art]

This.

In terms of brand, obviously JBL wins hands-down. LL is simply a China-rebrand retailer much like CDR-King while JBL is part of Harman Group and is prestigious enough that most people know who they are.

I never said LL is pirated nor a fake. I said it's a product rebrand because it seeks to differentiate itself from others when... it isn't. You're simply slapping a label over it. There's no brand identity.. hell.. if bored and given enough time kaya ko hanapin yun supplier and order the exact same speaker with everything else (TS parameters, etc.) within standard deviation.

Tell me what brand engineering means. What did Lightning Lab contribute to the speaker world that merits it the word engineering? UK's Bower and Wilkins have their fixed surround suspension (FST) as a contribution, Focal has their glass-layered sandwiches that they use at every product line they have, McIntosh Labs has made advancements in power clipping technology. These advancements differentiate themselves from everybody else in the market. If let's say somebody uses the exact same material, construction, and everything else on these products. Do you think it's called a rebrand? Nope. It's now called a copy.

Everybody who knows speaker construction 101 can create a speaker.. but that isn't engineering.

It's very easy to find schematics on the internet. Good speaker design schematic? Check. Good amplifier design schematic? Check.

Let's check out a more upscale rebrand known in EMMA Philippine circles. Look at JC Audio's Sonus line of amplifiers. I highly recommend its Sonus Enigma lineup at the 16,000php price range. It looks good (very good in fact), measures well, sounds good, and has a good amount of power for its price. But how they do it is actually pretty easy -- you get a manufacturer in China.. they'll send you a list of parts you want to include in your amplifier, you say you want X, Y, Z... they make your amplifier on what you want and on your X amount of orders then ship it here. The distributor then resells it to resellers and finally to consumers. See their Europhia lineup at 45,000php? Now go search Facebook for Thailand's Harmotech amplifiers -- you'd be surprised at the similarities.

For the more enterprising ones out there. Want a speaker manufacturer from China? Easy. Simply go to Alibaba. A small company such as this one: Guangzhou Soundsing Audio Manufacturing Co., Ltd. - Horn,Diaphragm would happily cater to anybody who wants to make speakers. Just remember to send them your logo so you can have your own brand identity once it arrives on our shores.

It all boils down to brand identity.

sir relax china kalaban natin hindi ako.

why dont you ask steve meade of steve meade designs kung bakit yung Fi subs nya at yung db audio sub ginagawa lang nya sa backyard ng mano-mano?
meaning ba nito rebrand or copy? at walang quality?
why 2 LL subs can hit 140db in db race?
and why not LL instead targa?
dahil po ba dai ichi ang kumpanya nila?
at bakit ang honda motors sa china nagpapagawa ng pangbenta sa pilipinas?
dahil ba nagtitipid na ang honda? or dahil mabenta ang china product dito sa pilipinas?
why oh why???

[jhnkvn]

And why is China the enemy now? Excluding yun shoal drama na nakikita natin sa newspapers.. most of us has benefited from China's manufacturing powerhouse. More supply = more competition = less cost. Why do you think 100W amplifiers nowadays are so cheap but costs an arm-and-leg in the 1960s? R&D? Not really. It's because China began mass manufacturing millions of amplifiers and selling it all over the world.

SMD has its own brand identity. It isn't a copy. Steve's famous for breaking records and has his own identity because of it. IASCA's top-scoring Scott Buwalda's Hybrid Audio also has its own identity.. they're famous.

Fi subs? DB Audio? These are brands that already have their own brand identity. LL wala pa. Wanna try? Let's ask a few random people in the US if they've even heard of LL. These are brands that have years of experience behind them and R&D'ed by people who actually know of audio.

What does quality have to do with being fakes and rebrands? I never said their quality sucked.. I simply said that they're rebrands.

Uhh.. 140dB isn't even hard.. now if you're hitting 160dB ayun may challenge na. You might wanna rival Poying's Armageddon to gain recognition.

Does Dai-ichi Targa have more years of experience in the market? Yes.
Is Lightning Lab an OEM supplier of speakers like Targa? No.
Does Lightning Lab have more brand identity than Targa? Not in my eyes.

Uhh.. imported vehicles of Honda that's here locally doesn't really come from their China plant. It comes from their Ayutthaya plant in Thailand.

Labo lang sobra.. di ko alam paano si Honda napadpad dito and you need to get your information straight since Honda... has brand identity.

[jhnkvn]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

[JasLi Art]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

dami mo sinabi brad iisa lang naman lumalabas syo insecurity isa ka rin sa utak talangka crab mentality!

brad di naman international ang LL pang pinas lang ito brad pang pinas!
ang targa ba ng dai ichi kilala sa US? sakit mo sa ilong!
sa africa meron targa subs pero di ibigsabihin gawang dai ichi yun

may pinagdadaanan ka ba boss? kaya ba ganun nalang galit mo sa LL
or dahil nasasapawan ang mga nakaugalian mong brand or shud i say
na beat ka ng LL sa isang labanan.
wala ka naman alam kundi puro ts parameter google is your savior amen!
baka sa actual build off challenge wala ka ibuga
12 years na ako sa pag gagawa ng baffles sub enclosure speaker box etc...
halos marami na akong brand na narinig ng personal pero di ako kritiko at pumapanig sa iilan lang na brand.
binabase ko ang judgement ko batay sa actual na performance ng isang speaker subs or ampli, at di dahil kung saan hinayupak na lupalop ito ginawa.

simply lang to brad, targa versus manix sub
Manix sub is from unknown meaning local
targa matigas bumayo
manix malambot bumayo
pinapipili ko ang customer base sa kung ano narinig nila na tunog di dahil kung sino may pangalan

hirap sayo brad kung ano ano pinagsasabi mo simple lang naman topic dito humihingi ng tulong si TS di yung paninira lang alam mo. oopps? sasabihin mo dika naninira basa basa ulet siguro sa sarili mong reply.

at yung sinasabi mo napakaraming product ng LL wala ako pakialam dun bakit dika sa kanila magreklamo ako ba mayari ng LL? sira na ulo nito

[JasLi Art]

please lang brad tigilan mo na ang walang kakwenta kwentang kumento insecurity lang nakikita sa mga sinasabi mo. kung ayaw mo sa kinamumuhian mong LIGHTNING LAB rinerespeto ko pero yung magjajudge ka ng isang bagay baka kailangan muna natin magisip ng husto ang utak naman kasi ginagamit talga yan at hindi palaman lang sa ulo natin ok po ba?

godbless to you!

[NMuranoZ51]

Wala akong alam sa mga sinasabi niyo pero binabasa ko lahat nang post niyo dito hahahaha #bored #LOL


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[JasLi Art]

Wala akong alam sa mga sinasabi niyo pero binabasa ko lahat nang post niyo dito hahahaha #bored #LOL


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hahaha sensya na sir ginulo lang kasi ang thread ni ts eh kung saan2 na napunta nakarating na ng china ang usapan hahaha

pinaliliwanag ko lang kasi kay LL critic kaso nagpunta pa ng china lol.
binabase ko kasi hatol ko sa car audio base sa narinig ko mismo di dahil kung sino ang kilala at may pangalan china man ito or gawa dito.

[NMuranoZ51]

hahaha sensya na sir ginulo lang kasi ang thread ni ts eh kung saan2 na napunta nakarating na ng china ang usapan hahaha

pinaliliwanag ko lang kasi kay LL critic kaso nagpunta pa ng china lol.
binabase ko kasi hatol ko sa car audio base sa narinig ko mismo di dahil kung sino ang kilala at may pangalan china man ito or gawa dito.

Yep! You explain it well nga e!(GoodJob!).. Natatawa lang ako parang nagaaway na kayo hhahah bihira lang kase ako makakita ng isang thread na may pinagtatalunan XD #happy


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[NMuranoZ51]

And why is China the enemy now? Excluding yun shoal drama na nakikita natin sa newspapers.. most of us has benefited from China's manufacturing powerhouse. More supply = more competition = less cost. Why do you think 100W amplifiers nowadays are so cheap but costs an arm-and-leg in the 1960s? R&D? Not really. It's because China began mass manufacturing millions of amplifiers and selling it all over the world.

SMD has its own brand identity. It isn't a copy. Steve's famous for breaking records and has his own identity because of it. IASCA's top-scoring Scott Buwalda's Hybrid Audio also has its own identity.. they're famous.

Fi subs? DB Audio? These are brands that already have their own brand identity. LL wala pa. Wanna try? Let's ask a few random people in the US if they've even heard of LL. These are brands that have years of experience behind them and R&D'ed by people who actually know of audio.

What does quality have to do with being fakes and rebrands? I never said their quality sucked.. I simply said that they're rebrands.

Uhh.. 140dB isn't even hard.. now if you're hitting 160dB ayun may challenge na. You might wanna rival Poying's Armageddon to gain recognition.

Does Dai-ichi Targa have more years of experience in the market? Yes.
Is Lightning Lab an OEM supplier of speakers like Targa? No.
Does Lightning Lab have more brand identity than Targa? Not in my eyes.

Uhh.. imported vehicles of Honda that's here locally doesn't really come from their China plant. It comes from their Ayutthaya plant in Thailand.

Labo lang sobra.. di ko alam paano si Honda napadpad dito and you need to get your information straight since Honda... has brand identity.

Amp umabot na nga sa china XD #LOL
Um


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[joemarski]

^ wala rin akong alam tungkol diyan sa mga lightning lab at jbl speakers na 'yan. 'never had one :sad: .
informative naman kasi itong thread kaya masarap na ring basahin.

nakaka- tuwa nga at para na silang nag- aaway, hehehe.
sus! lovers quarrel lang 'yan... daming ganyan dito sa tsikot. wala naman personalan 'yang mga 'yan eh.

anyway, goodluck kay ts. mukha naman maganda itong pinagpipilian niya eh.
can't share much kasi ibang brand rin ng speakers gamit ko, pero satisfied naman ako.
mabuti na lang normal pa hearing ko. iirc, 20/20 pa rin.

[jhnkvn]

Parang LQ lang noh? :gayfight:

[jhnkvn]

Hahaha... ako pa naging crab mentality

Yun nakakatawa dito di ko alam why you even deny that LL is a rebranded product eh rebrand naman talaga. Ano gusto mo sabihin ko? That they're great speakers? That they sound so good? Ano ako? Spokesperson ng Team LL? My posts are as much as possible bias-free and are fact-based.

And duh.. alam ko pinas lang LL..

Uhh... sorry, I don't join competitions usually. Para saan ba? Para magyabang na maganda setup? Namagaling ka sa pagbuo? I don't need all those ego-enhancements. I love cars, I love my audio.. but why the hell am I going to pay somebody just to prove myself? What I do is for my self-satisfaction.. my time isn't cheap. Besides, isang amplifier ko palang buong setup niyo na. (I just had to bold that one HAHA) So please, don't go there.. mapapahiya lang kayo

Ayaw maniwala? Let's see.. magkano ba isang Lightning Lab na 4-channel.. *searches sulit* Ito! AMF-4100.. yun 4x100W * 4,000php! Just a heads up, you can get 20 of those 4-channels.. and my single 4-channel amplifier is still more expensive.

As much as na-appreciate ko 12 years of hard work mo.. ano ipinakita mo? Na karpinetero ka? Anybody can build a box.. give them plywood.. give them nails. Amp. Kahit ang bulok bulok ko magDIY even I can build an enclosure. Ano gusto mo? L-type? Transmission? Flared horn? Aperiodic? Ginagawa mo sobrang hirap ang box construction when it's not.

Okay.. madami ka napakingan.. sure tapos? Ipapagyabang mo kaya inilagay mo sa post? What makes you so sure that I haven't heard more or... maybe BETTER than yours? Problem is, ano yun standard mo?

Alamin muna.. since I go around the world just to search for audio goodies... I also formerly compete professionally on an international scale. Di lang ako limited sa isang shop sa province or locally. So if I can attain that much in <5 years time... I'm kinda saddened sa 12 years mo so please don't bring out the "12 years of experience" flag.. since I probably have better credentials than you.

Gamitin natin example mo..

targa matigas bumayo
manix malambot bumayo

Alam mo matigas siya bumayo at si Manix ay malambot bumayo due to "experience". Ang tanong dyan.. alam mo ba kung bakit sila matigas at malambot? Ayan.. gamitin mo na si Google at maghanap kung bakit... parang eskwelahan lang regarding speaker design. Pahiramin pa kita ng libro paggusto mo..

Music is emotion.. it's subjective. But audio is a science, it can be measured. I'm pretty sure they taught the difference of these sa high school. I give fellow tsikoteers that science. Kung magtatanong sila kung bakit masmaganda tumunog ang isang bagay, sinasabi ko on a science-level -- "dahil maganda pagkagawa ng crossovers", "dahil rigid ang enclosure niya", etc. hindi lang ako basta basta nagsasabi ng "maganda yan dahil napakingan ko na".

Yun nakakatawa dito ay hindi ko naman sinisiraan si LL.. sinasabi ko lang rebrander siya which is a FACT. Hell, I already gave FIFTEEN examples of why. On the thread, I simply echoed some of what forumers here said. Kung nasasaktan ka kasi nasabi ko rebrander si LL.. ano gusto mo sabihin ko? It's like I'm going to call a television a TV. Ano gusto mo sabihin ko? na-radyo siya? Kung TV ede TV. Kung rebrander ede rebrander.

I was pretty sure na nagbigay ako ng at least 15 examples kanina kung rebrander si LL. Why oh why is it so hard to see kung nakakabasa ka naman?

[jmpet626]

Paanong naging insecure, sinabi lang naman na rebrander? Madami din naman rebranders sa market like sa Engine oils ng Idemitsu rebranded as Honda Oil, SM Bonus Products, Kirkland branded products at madami pang iba.

[jhnkvn]

Paanong naging insecure, sinabi lang naman na rebrander? Madami din naman rebranders sa market like sa Engine oils ng Idemitsu rebranded as Honda Oil, SM Bonus Products, Kirkland branded products at madami pang iba.

For some reason, iba ata definition ng rebrander sa dictionary niya. So konting napapaisip ako whether sira ba ulo ko as he claimed or normal lang ako

Dunno why.. I took up his advice (yun "oopps? sasabihin mo dika naninira basa basa ulet siguro sa sarili mong reply.") and reread kung may nilagay ba ako doon na "*** si LL" or something pero wala ako mahanap.

Yun nabasa ko yun..

hirap sayo brad kung ano ano pinagsasabi mo simple lang naman topic dito humihingi ng tulong si TS di yung paninira lang alam mo.

Eh binasa ko naman talaga yun first post..

mga sir tanong lang po, ano po bang magandang brand sa 2? ang kwento po kasi ganito, namimili po ako between brand new na lightning lab na separates or second hand na jbl separates

Maayos naman reply ko -_-

In terms of brand, obviously JBL wins hands-down. LL is simply a China-rebrand retailer much like CDR-King while JBL is part of Harman Group and is prestigious enough that most people know who they are.

Di ko alam bakit nagdradrama si JasLi..

[enterbay]

woohoo nakakatuwa ang sagutan at nakakatuwa din kasi kahit papaano may natutunan ako mga yan :D wala pong pikunan ha mwah

[red_one]

masarap magbasa ng post ni jhnkvn dahil natuto ka na, naaliw ka pa. idol.

on a side note, the TS already bought TEAC separates (see page 2) kaya hindi naman nagulo ang thread with this LL rebranding discussion.

OT: gusto nyo makita sound setup ni jhnkvn, punta kayo dito:
http://tsikot.com/forums/car-audio-v...9/index84.html

[JasLi Art]

For some reason, iba ata definition ng rebrander sa dictionary niya. So konting napapaisip ako whether sira ba ulo ko as he claimed or normal lang ako

Dunno why.. I took up his advice (yun "oopps? sasabihin mo dika naninira basa basa ulet siguro sa sarili mong reply.") and reread kung may nilagay ba ako doon na "*** si LL" or something pero wala ako mahanap.

Yun nabasa ko yun..


Eh binasa ko naman talaga yun first post..



Maayos naman reply ko -_-


Di ko alam bakit nagdradrama si JasLi..

oo sira nga ulo mo you dont even know what is rebrand mean!
ang rebrand ginagawa lang yan sa sarili mong produkto!
dika pwede magrebrand ng isang bagay na dimo gawa
dahil ang tawag dun PAMIMIRATA naintindihan mo?
at ibig sabihin NAMIMIRATA ANG LIGHTNING LAB!
dahil ginaya nila ang ibang produkto!
akala mo kasi pag gawang china walang kwenta
bakit dimo saliksikin ang mga computer parts mobo,ram etc...na gaya ng ASUS
ang nakalagay made in china meaning ba walang kwenta? or pinirata?

research ka ulet ang HONDA TMX, SUPREMO, CBR sa china ang pagawaan
at pakitignan mo baka pirated na honda yun hahaha
what an idiot!
sige google kapa!


at ano daw? ISANG AMPLI PALANG NYA ISANG BUONG SETUP NA NAMIN?
WHAAATT?!?!
may yabang ka bata! kapit kapit lumalakas ang hangin! hahahahahaha

dito sa imus pumunta ka sa coastal anabu mga tricycle dito ginagastusan
20,000 50,000 105,000 pasetup lang ng sounds!

at tricycle lang dito naka straight cerwin vega na! TRICYCLE PALANG YAN BRAD!
you calld it cheap? dalhin mo dito yang car audio mo ng mahatulan yabang mo
punta ka dito at dito ka magyabang ng malalaman mo ugali ng kabitenyo!
nag google ka lang yumabang kana?

isang ampli palang nya isang buong setup na nmin?!
wow! oh! wow!

at salamat sayo dahil syo nakarating ako ng china hahahaha!
rebrand my fckin ass!

isang ampli palang isang buong setup na nmin haha!