lightning lab or jbl speakers (separates)

[LLOY]

naka bili na po ako ng seps, teac ung brand, wala po akong amp, direct ung speaker sa HU.....

sir, kumusta po yung TEAC seps niyo?ok po ba siya?

[JasLi Art]

This.


In terms of brand, obviously JBL wins hands-down. LL is simply a China-rebrand retailer much like CDR-King while JBL is part of Harman Group and is prestigious enough that most people know who they are.

correction lang po ang lightning lab ay hindi rebrand. lightning lab is original philippine brand engineered and produce lang sya sa china gaya ng ginagawa ng ibang international brand. ayun yan mismo sa team lightning lab.
meaning authentic ang mga pyesa nila hindi pirated or fake.

check nyo nalang po sila sa fan page nila, at sa kanila nyo na rin po itanong.

LL straight user here

[jhnkvn]

correction lang po ang lightning lab ay hindi rebrand. lightning lab is original philippine brand engineered and produce lang sya sa china gaya ng ginagawa ng ibang international brand. ayun yan mismo sa team lightning lab.
meaning authentic ang mga pyesa nila hindi pirated or fake.

check nyo nalang po sila sa fan page nila, at sa kanila nyo na rin po itanong.

LL straight user here

I never said LL is pirated nor a fake. I said it's a product rebrand because it seeks to differentiate itself from others when... it isn't. You're simply slapping a label over it. There's no brand identity.. hell.. if bored and given enough time kaya ko hanapin yun supplier and order the exact same speaker with everything else (TS parameters, etc.) within standard deviation.

Tell me what brand engineering means. What did Lightning Lab contribute to the speaker world that merits it the word engineering? UK's Bower and Wilkins have their fixed surround suspension (FST) as a contribution, Focal has their glass-layered sandwiches that they use at every product line they have, McIntosh Labs has made advancements in power clipping technology. These advancements differentiate themselves from everybody else in the market. If let's say somebody uses the exact same material, construction, and everything else on these products. Do you think it's called a rebrand? Nope. It's now called a copy.

Everybody who knows speaker construction 101 can create a speaker.. but that isn't engineering.

It's very easy to find schematics on the internet. Good speaker design schematic? Check. Good amplifier design schematic? Check.

Let's check out a more upscale rebrand known in EMMA Philippine circles. Look at JC Audio's Sonus line of amplifiers. I highly recommend its Sonus Enigma lineup at the 16,000php price range. It looks good (very good in fact), measures well, sounds good, and has a good amount of power for its price. But how they do it is actually pretty easy -- you get a manufacturer in China.. they'll send you a list of parts you want to include in your amplifier, you say you want X, Y, Z... they make your amplifier on what you want and on your X amount of orders then ship it here. The distributor then resells it to resellers and finally to consumers. See their Europhia lineup at 45,000php? Now go search Facebook for Thailand's Harmotech amplifiers -- you'd be surprised at the similarities.

For the more enterprising ones out there. Want a speaker manufacturer from China? Easy. Simply go to Alibaba. A small company such as this one: Guangzhou Soundsing Audio Manufacturing Co., Ltd. - Horn,Diaphragm would happily cater to anybody who wants to make speakers. Just remember to send them your logo so you can have your own brand identity once it arrives on our shores.

It all boils down to brand identity.

[JasLi Art]

This.

In terms of brand, obviously JBL wins hands-down. LL is simply a China-rebrand retailer much like CDR-King while JBL is part of Harman Group and is prestigious enough that most people know who they are.

I never said LL is pirated nor a fake. I said it's a product rebrand because it seeks to differentiate itself from others when... it isn't. You're simply slapping a label over it. There's no brand identity.. hell.. if bored and given enough time kaya ko hanapin yun supplier and order the exact same speaker with everything else (TS parameters, etc.) within standard deviation.

Tell me what brand engineering means. What did Lightning Lab contribute to the speaker world that merits it the word engineering? UK's Bower and Wilkins have their fixed surround suspension (FST) as a contribution, Focal has their glass-layered sandwiches that they use at every product line they have, McIntosh Labs has made advancements in power clipping technology. These advancements differentiate themselves from everybody else in the market. If let's say somebody uses the exact same material, construction, and everything else on these products. Do you think it's called a rebrand? Nope. It's now called a copy.

Everybody who knows speaker construction 101 can create a speaker.. but that isn't engineering.

It's very easy to find schematics on the internet. Good speaker design schematic? Check. Good amplifier design schematic? Check.

Let's check out a more upscale rebrand known in EMMA Philippine circles. Look at JC Audio's Sonus line of amplifiers. I highly recommend its Sonus Enigma lineup at the 16,000php price range. It looks good (very good in fact), measures well, sounds good, and has a good amount of power for its price. But how they do it is actually pretty easy -- you get a manufacturer in China.. they'll send you a list of parts you want to include in your amplifier, you say you want X, Y, Z... they make your amplifier on what you want and on your X amount of orders then ship it here. The distributor then resells it to resellers and finally to consumers. See their Europhia lineup at 45,000php? Now go search Facebook for Thailand's Harmotech amplifiers -- you'd be surprised at the similarities.

For the more enterprising ones out there. Want a speaker manufacturer from China? Easy. Simply go to Alibaba. A small company such as this one: Guangzhou Soundsing Audio Manufacturing Co., Ltd. - Horn,Diaphragm would happily cater to anybody who wants to make speakers. Just remember to send them your logo so you can have your own brand identity once it arrives on our shores.

It all boils down to brand identity.

sir relax china kalaban natin hindi ako.

why dont you ask steve meade of steve meade designs kung bakit yung Fi subs nya at yung db audio sub ginagawa lang nya sa backyard ng mano-mano?
meaning ba nito rebrand or copy? at walang quality?
why 2 LL subs can hit 140db in db race?
and why not LL instead targa?
dahil po ba dai ichi ang kumpanya nila?
at bakit ang honda motors sa china nagpapagawa ng pangbenta sa pilipinas?
dahil ba nagtitipid na ang honda? or dahil mabenta ang china product dito sa pilipinas?
why oh why???

[jhnkvn]

And why is China the enemy now? Excluding yun shoal drama na nakikita natin sa newspapers.. most of us has benefited from China's manufacturing powerhouse. More supply = more competition = less cost. Why do you think 100W amplifiers nowadays are so cheap but costs an arm-and-leg in the 1960s? R&D? Not really. It's because China began mass manufacturing millions of amplifiers and selling it all over the world.

SMD has its own brand identity. It isn't a copy. Steve's famous for breaking records and has his own identity because of it. IASCA's top-scoring Scott Buwalda's Hybrid Audio also has its own identity.. they're famous.

Fi subs? DB Audio? These are brands that already have their own brand identity. LL wala pa. Wanna try? Let's ask a few random people in the US if they've even heard of LL. These are brands that have years of experience behind them and R&D'ed by people who actually know of audio.

What does quality have to do with being fakes and rebrands? I never said their quality sucked.. I simply said that they're rebrands.

Uhh.. 140dB isn't even hard.. now if you're hitting 160dB ayun may challenge na. You might wanna rival Poying's Armageddon to gain recognition.

Does Dai-ichi Targa have more years of experience in the market? Yes.
Is Lightning Lab an OEM supplier of speakers like Targa? No.
Does Lightning Lab have more brand identity than Targa? Not in my eyes.

Uhh.. imported vehicles of Honda that's here locally doesn't really come from their China plant. It comes from their Ayutthaya plant in Thailand.

Labo lang sobra.. di ko alam paano si Honda napadpad dito and you need to get your information straight since Honda... has brand identity.

[jhnkvn]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

[JasLi Art]

Di ko alam what's all the fuss about. Kung masaya ka sa LL, ede masaya ka. Who am I to judge?

What I'm simply stating is that Lightning Lab is a rebrander much like CDR-King.

Let's try to do a checklist para sobrang clear ito for somebody who's in Cavite and is an installer based on his post. Seriously, not being harsh and all.. but I dunno paano ka naging installer if you don't even know the difference of a local rebranded product from a brand that has its own brand identity.

1. Lightning Lab sells its own speaker cables. Is it a speaker cable company like Belden? No. It's a rebrander.
2. Lightning Lab sells its own battery terminals. Is it a battery terminal company? No. It's a rebrander.
3. Lightning Lab sells its own sound processor. Is it a sound processor company like Alpine? No. It's a rebrander.
4. Lightning Lab sells its own distribution blocks. Is it a distro block manufacturer? No. It's a rebrander.
5. Lightning Lab sells its own fuses. Is it a fuse company? No. It's a rebrander.
6. Lightning Lab sells its own deadener sheets. Is it a sound acoustic treatment company like StP? No. It's a rebrander.
7. Lightning Lab sells its own RCA cables. Is it a cable company like Nordost? No. It's a rebrander.
8. Lightning Lab sells its own 12V batteries. Is it a battery company like Motolite? No. It's a rebrander.
9. Lightning Lab sells its own floor matts. Is it a floor matting company like WeatherTech? No. It's a rebrander.
10. Lightning Lab sells its own car horns. Is it a car horn company like Bosch? No? What about Hella? No. It's a rebrander.
11. Lightning Lab sells its own "premium" halogen fog lamps. Is it a lighting company like Osram? No. It's a rebrander.
12. Lightning Lab sells its own reverse infrared camera. Is it a camera maker like GoPro? No. It's a rebrander.
13. Lightning Lab sells its own rear headrest LCD screens. Is it a panel company like LG? No. It's a rebrander.

Finally..
14. Lightning Lab sells its own speakers. Is it a speaker company like Dynaudio? No.
15. Lightning Lab sells its own amplifiers. Is it an amplifier company like Pass Labs? No.

Sa sobrang dami niyo binebenta, you're not even an audio company anymore. Kailan ba ang audio company nagbebenta ng "infrared camera"? From the looks of it, you're simply a car accessories rebrander and.. that's why I simply presented proof.

Why oh why is it so hard to see

dami mo sinabi brad iisa lang naman lumalabas syo insecurity isa ka rin sa utak talangka crab mentality!

brad di naman international ang LL pang pinas lang ito brad pang pinas!
ang targa ba ng dai ichi kilala sa US? sakit mo sa ilong!
sa africa meron targa subs pero di ibigsabihin gawang dai ichi yun

may pinagdadaanan ka ba boss? kaya ba ganun nalang galit mo sa LL
or dahil nasasapawan ang mga nakaugalian mong brand or shud i say
na beat ka ng LL sa isang labanan.
wala ka naman alam kundi puro ts parameter google is your savior amen!
baka sa actual build off challenge wala ka ibuga
12 years na ako sa pag gagawa ng baffles sub enclosure speaker box etc...
halos marami na akong brand na narinig ng personal pero di ako kritiko at pumapanig sa iilan lang na brand.
binabase ko ang judgement ko batay sa actual na performance ng isang speaker subs or ampli, at di dahil kung saan hinayupak na lupalop ito ginawa.

simply lang to brad, targa versus manix sub
Manix sub is from unknown meaning local
targa matigas bumayo
manix malambot bumayo
pinapipili ko ang customer base sa kung ano narinig nila na tunog di dahil kung sino may pangalan

hirap sayo brad kung ano ano pinagsasabi mo simple lang naman topic dito humihingi ng tulong si TS di yung paninira lang alam mo. oopps? sasabihin mo dika naninira basa basa ulet siguro sa sarili mong reply.

at yung sinasabi mo napakaraming product ng LL wala ako pakialam dun bakit dika sa kanila magreklamo ako ba mayari ng LL? sira na ulo nito

[JasLi Art]

please lang brad tigilan mo na ang walang kakwenta kwentang kumento insecurity lang nakikita sa mga sinasabi mo. kung ayaw mo sa kinamumuhian mong LIGHTNING LAB rinerespeto ko pero yung magjajudge ka ng isang bagay baka kailangan muna natin magisip ng husto ang utak naman kasi ginagamit talga yan at hindi palaman lang sa ulo natin ok po ba?

godbless to you!

[NMuranoZ51]

Wala akong alam sa mga sinasabi niyo pero binabasa ko lahat nang post niyo dito hahahaha #bored #LOL


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[JasLi Art]

Wala akong alam sa mga sinasabi niyo pero binabasa ko lahat nang post niyo dito hahahaha #bored #LOL


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hahaha sensya na sir ginulo lang kasi ang thread ni ts eh kung saan2 na napunta nakarating na ng china ang usapan hahaha

pinaliliwanag ko lang kasi kay LL critic kaso nagpunta pa ng china lol.
binabase ko kasi hatol ko sa car audio base sa narinig ko mismo di dahil kung sino ang kilala at may pangalan china man ito or gawa dito.