audio set-up for beginners [continued]

**8eight8** · January 13th, 2017 01:59 AM

*sientobente, Sir, ung seps mo po ba sa Swift is ung Flux FS260 pa rin per your previous post? Am also thinking on what is the best amp for those seps

**sientobente** · January 14th, 2017 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by 8eight8

*sientobente, Sir, ung seps mo po ba sa Swift is ung Flux FS260 pa rin per your previous post? Am also thinking on what is the best amp for those seps

Yes sir, still the FS260 on the Swift. It is paired right now with the Gladen M95.4. Avoid the Flux amp, ang dami nagsasabi substandard ang quality plus my friend said it sounded dry. I think, warm sounding amps like Audison, Genesis and Celestra will also match Flux Seps from it's entry level up to it's higher priced variants. Meron din ginawa yung installer ko na paired with the Helix G-Four, maganda din ang pairing.

**mouseketeer** · January 17th, 2017 03:21 PM

Good afternoon sirs! I'm new to the Car Audio scene and would like to set-up a Honda City 2009. Budget is around 30k but can still be stretched depending if the product is really worth it.. I'm more into Sound Quality than Bass. Please guide me with what parts should I go for..

**8eight8** · January 17th, 2017 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by sientobente

Yes sir, still the FS260 on the Swift. It is paired right now with the Gladen M95.4. Avoid the Flux amp, ang dami nagsasabi substandard ang quality plus my friend said it sounded dry. I think, warm sounding amps like Audison, Genesis and Celestra will also match Flux Seps from it's entry level up to it's higher priced variants. Meron din ginawa yung installer ko na paired with the Helix G-Four, maganda din ang pairing.

Thanks for the advise sir. I am also considering Helix for the amp para sa Flux seps. Good to know na maganda pairing nila

How about Rockford amp sa Flux FS260? Ok rin ba sila?

**jhnkvn** · January 18th, 2017 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by mouseketeer

Good afternoon sirs! I'm new to the Car Audio scene and would like to set-up a Honda City 2009. Budget is around 30k but can still be stretched depending if the product is really worth it.. I'm more into Sound Quality than Bass. Please guide me with what parts should I go for..

The best route here is to listen to a properly tuned SQ car so you can set your standards and aim. Expanding your budget range due to it is optional but is what usually happens.

Kidding aside, as a start set aside:
Php 5,000 - Speakers
Php 5,000-8,000 - Amplifier
Php 3,000 - Deadening
The Rest: Labor and Wires

If you'll do it step by step, unahin yun deadening and speakers.

**mouseketeer** · January 19th, 2017 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by jhnkvn

The best route here is to listen to a properly tuned SQ car so you can set your standards and aim. Expanding your budget range due to it is optional but is what usually happens.

Kidding aside, as a start set aside:
Php 5,000 - Speakers
Php 5,000-8,000 - Amplifier
Php 3,000 - Deadening
The Rest: Labor and Wires

If you'll do it step by step, unahin yun deadening and speakers.

Sir thank you for the guidelines! Will take this into comsideration!

**jhnkvn** · January 19th, 2017 08:33 PM

Just remember guys that the best amplifier is an amplifier that does not color the sound and outputs gob loads of power (at least what you need).

Amplifier matching is applicable in Head-Fi where your source is direct and speaker drivers are just centimeters from your earcup. It's also partially applicable in home audio as you can somewhat remove the environment as a variable through well-placed acoustic treatment.

However, amplifier matching is non-applicable in a car setting as there are a ton of variables that will differ each car's sound.
- Vehicle interior acoustics alone colors the sound much more than your amplifier and speakers' mood swings
- There's the noise floor coming from outside
- And the fact that you can't really nitpick the details in the music while driving 60km/h

And if you want to argue, Dan D'Agostino's costs Php4,000,000 per monoblock (so you need roughly Php8M to power two speakers) are rated 20hz-20khz at a strict adhesion of +/- 0.1 decibels. If amplifier matching is so vital, why does one of the best amplifier brands not do it?

**cucoy** · January 21st, 2017 08:29 PM

Good pm mga boss. Im planning to get my 2005 Jazz an audio upgrade. Can you suggest what can i get with a budget of 15k not including the HU. Thank you for the reply.

**jhnkvn** · January 21st, 2017 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by cucoy

Good pm mga boss. Im planning to get my 2005 Jazz an audio upgrade. Can you suggest what can i get with a budget of 15k not including the HU. Thank you for the reply.

Find a good installer
Buy a good separates component
Deaden your front doors
Fiddle with your head unit's settings to adjust EQ

**sientobente** · January 24th, 2017 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by jhnkvn

Just remember guys that the best amplifier is an amplifier that does not color the sound and outputs gob loads of power (at least what you need).

Amplifier matching is applicable in Head-Fi where your source is direct and speaker drivers are just centimeters from your earcup. It's also partially applicable in home audio as you can somewhat remove the environment as a variable through well-placed acoustic treatment.

However, amplifier matching is non-applicable in a car setting as there are a ton of variables that will differ each car's sound.
- Vehicle interior acoustics alone colors the sound much more than your amplifier and speakers' mood swings
- There's the noise floor coming from outside
- And the fact that you can't really nitpick the details in the music while driving 60km/h

And if you want to argue, Dan D'Agostino's costs Php4,000,000 per monoblock (so you need roughly Php8M to power two speakers) are rated 20hz-20khz at a strict adhesion of +/- 0.1 decibels. If amplifier matching is so vital, why does one of the best amplifier brands not do it?

I respectfully disagree bro on amp matching. I know though where you are coming from. There are amp builders from DIYMA and PDVD who says the same, but in reality, they never even did an A/B comparison with multiple amps. But we did. We had a lot of those in PDVD. Even Paeng/cyberdraven did one a few years ago. The outcome? One of those local amp maker's amp (who actually says the same), paled in comparison to those "branded" amps. His amp was rated the lowest consistently among many listeners :D

The best way to test this out on a car environment is doing an amp switch on the same vehicle. Engines off, same quiet location. Peter Lee did this on my Rav4 back then. It was a Crunch 50wpc vs Soundstream 130wpc. Spec-wise, Soundstream kicks ass. Has a better SNR, THD, Power and even has the highest Damping Factor I saw in any locally sold amp. So was it a match on the Focal 165VBs I had in the car? No. Soundstream sounded thin and clinical. While Crunch matched the 165VBs better by neutralizing it's brightness and it sounded more balanced while providing a bigger bodied sound. That was actually a costly mistake on my end, coz I already bought the Soundstream amp due to it's specs rather than listening to what my installer had to say.

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