audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

Any thoughts on "subless" SQ setup? Is it possible with mid level DLS seps and fully deadened front doors? Im using the small pioneer premier 8" shallow sub placed under the driver's seat. Im planning to get rid of it, get a processor and run fully active. Im only using a 4 channel amp and I dont want to buy another amp for the sub. Im using wideband tweeters that can go down to 800-1k hz btw.

Should I go subless? Or the expenses for another amp+wirings for my sub will be worth it? The sub Im using cant go deep and cant go loud btw, it is too small. And I have no space and no $$$ for shallow, deep, and loud 10inch subs like the JL's.

EDIT: Current setup is passive. My 4 channel amp powers the seps(with external Xover) and the sub

Is it possible? Of course. Kahit entry-level pa yan. However, the key to achieving a good sub-less setup isn't with fully deadened front doors but by trying to achieve a truly rigid enclosure through the use of many techniques (deadening, inserting foam, etc.) . Hindi lang yan puro deadening (case to point: my doors have like 3 sheets each; still rattles) that's why a lot of people who truly want to go sub-less cut their doors to accommodate a miniature enclosure in it (ex. Bewith midbass). It's like finding a bookshelf speaker and just slapping it sa doors.

The reason for this is that vibrations is your worst enemy as even a small rattle reduces your decibel output by a lot. That's why a 8" midbass doesn't sound as good as a 8" subwoofer. Drivers-aside, it's usually the enclosure.

Will it be worth it? Will depend on your taste. My recommendation is to first test it out. I would recommend a 50hz cutoff. Just remember to play around with the EQ and the slopes to get ample low-end. Don't be afraid to pump it up. Most midbass drivers can handle much more than you think.

[jhnkvn]

And you'd be surprised how creative people can be in making subwoofers. For example, I really like the recent center mount subwoofer Jonz of Simplesounds made for a client (Simplesound Car Audio - Cainta - Automotive Parts Store | Facebook) Check out that May 23 build log!

[jhnkvn]

*crazy

I would NOT recommend amplifying those 4" speakers as 4" speakers don't really output a lot of bass because of their limitations and many regard 4" to be the realm of "mids" than "bass". You really need the additional wattage on bass producing drivers -- mids and tweets practically sip power lang.

To be honest, I would recommend a subwoofer to really appreciate a setup using 4" speakers. That way your subwoofer can pick up the bass region. Would I prefer coax? Nope. I'd still nod in making a 6" hole in your doors to accommodate a separate component than a coax. Fact is: you shouldn't be hearing vocals coming from your hips, dapat ear-level yan dapat.

[Lzarellano]

Boss you can try to mount 8-inch shallow mount subs if possible. From there i think pwede ka na mag-dsp. Pero keep that in mind na kailangan mo ng another amplifier+wiring for the sub since channel 1 and 2 takes up the tweeters and channel 3 and 4 takes up the midbass since gusto mo mag-full active. What i've learned from tsikot and other forums is that pwede mo galawin yung HPF and see from there kung makukuntento ka na sa "subless".

Yes sir naka 8inch shallow ako ngayon. And balak ko alisin kasi ayaw ko sana mag dagdag ng isa pang amp at saka yung wirings pag nag active haha.

[Lzarellano]

Is it possible? Of course. Kahit entry-level pa yan. However, the key to achieving a good sub-less setup isn't with fully deadened front doors but by trying to achieve a truly rigid enclosure through the use of many techniques (deadening, inserting foam, etc.) . Hindi lang yan puro deadening (case to point: my doors have like 3 sheets each; still rattles) that's why a lot of people who truly want to go sub-less cut their doors to accommodate a miniature enclosure in it (ex. Bewith midbass). It's like finding a bookshelf speaker and just slapping it sa doors.

The reason for this is that vibrations is your worst enemy as even a small rattle reduces your decibel output by a lot. That's why a 8" midbass doesn't sound as good as a 8" subwoofer. Drivers-aside, it's usually the enclosure.

Will it be worth it? Will depend on your taste. My recommendation is to first test it out. I would recommend a 50hz cutoff. Just remember to play around with the EQ and the slopes to get ample low-end. Don't be afraid to pump it up. Most midbass drivers can handle much more than you think.

Thanks sir jhnkvn. Mukhang mas hassle at mas magastos pa pala yung enclosures na ganun kesa mag dagdag ng amp at wirings haha pero gusto ko yung ganun, interesado ako sa ganung setup.

And dun sa box na gawa ng simplesound, parang ganun yung sakin dati before ako mag underseat. Ok talaga sana tas downfire pa, kaso yun nga lang naka buka yung legs ng uupo sa likod haha. Hirap talaga di na ako na contento sa location ng sub hehe, will try sa footwell ng passenger rin. Paglaruan ko muna yung HPF ng seps hehe.

[phil15]

hmmmm... naka-buka na tapos nag va-vibrate pa

Thanks sir jhnkvn. Mukhang mas hassle at mas magastos pa pala yung enclosures na ganun kesa mag dagdag ng amp at wirings haha pero gusto ko yung ganun, interesado ako sa ganung setup.

And dun sa box na gawa ng simplesound, parang ganun yung sakin dati before ako mag underseat. Ok talaga sana tas downfire pa, kaso yun nga lang naka buka yung legs ng uupo sa likod haha. Hirap talaga di na ako na contento sa location ng sub hehe, will try sa footwell ng passenger rin. Paglaruan ko muna yung HPF ng seps hehe.

[signal555]

Guys, baka may idea kayo about sa amp na autosonik aa6900, been doing google search, but no idea of the company, reviews of the amp itself. Ano info about the amp, bad or good...TIA

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[red_one]

Guys, baka may idea kayo about sa amp na autosonik aa6900, been doing google search, but no idea of the company, reviews of the amp itself. Ano info about the amp, bad or good...TIA

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Made in Korea according to this:

AUTOSONIK technology AA69

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[Lzarellano]

hmmmm... naka-buka na tapos nag va-vibrate pa

Nakikiliti ng wala sa oras hehe

[joey36b]

Nakikiliti ng wala sa oras hehe

Natawa ako dito. lol


Pagproblem space but kumpleto ang tunog ang gusto mo, pwede mo try sana 2 6.5" sub ng kicker nasa 3.5k+last ko nakita nakasale sa winterpines dati. Pwede na siya sa ch. 3 and 4 ng amp. Ang enclosure malapad konti sa box ng shoes pwede sa ilalim ng rear seat ng pickup. Gamit ko sa jazz dati ganyan nagsimula sa isa naging 2 6.5" then 1 x 10" DD and now 12" na hehe.
May 6.5" na DD nasa 2k petot o kaya sundown na 1 lang pwede na din.


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