audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[DeeME]

Mga sirs,

Patulong po mag decide which is better?
1. Stock hu plus audison bit ten or mosconi 4to6
2. Change hu to 80prs

My car is 2013 swift and i'm going on a 2way full active setup. Sabi ng installer both options are okay.

Meron na po ako speakers at amp
Jl audio c2-650
Jl audio 12w3v3
Jl audio xd1000/5v2

Maraming salamat po!

[sientobente]

Mga sirs,

Patulong po mag decide which is better?
1. Stock hu plus audison bit ten or mosconi 4to6
2. Change hu to 80prs

My car is 2013 swift and i'm going on a 2way full active setup. Sabi ng installer both options are okay.

Meron na po ako speakers at amp
Jl audio c2-650
Jl audio 12w3v3
Jl audio xd1000/5v2

Maraming salamat po!

Nice choices sir. I think number 2 is a good all-in-one solution. Because of the following:
1. Probably a better transport vs the stock headunit
2. You will use the Burr Brown DAC of the Pioneer which should be again better than stock
3. DSP tuning capabilities may not be extensive as an external processor but it will get the job done

[DeeME]

Thanks sientobente :-)

[sientobente]

Thanks sientobente :-)

I forgot one more thing Sir, the convenience. You can tune your HU on the fly, while there's too much work using a processor because of the location. This is unless you upgrade the bit ten with a DRC or the 4to6 with a Bluetooth adapter.

[barurut]

Hi mga sir (esp. kay sir kevin)

Has anyone heard or installed a pdx 4.150 in their cars. Would like to get inputs regarding this amp. this is the old version (pdx f series na ata yung bago ngayon). I've read mixed reviews sa diymobile. your inputs and thoughts are very much appreciated.
Thinking of using this to run focals

[UOF9239]

Boss Jhnkvn,
Newbie lng dto tanong ko lng ano magiging improvement pag pinalitan ko stock speaker ko nito Focal PS 165 any idea how much sa atin? yong sa harap lng nagpakabit kasi ako bagongHU AVH8650BT? TIA

[D3nb3r]

Boss Jhnkvn,
Newbie lng dto tanong ko lng ano magiging improvement pag pinalitan ko stock speaker ko nito Focal PS 165 any idea how much sa atin? yong sa harap lng nagpakabit kasi ako bagongHU AVH8650BT? TIA

I'm not a guru, but any upgrade from stock to aftermarket speaker kahit targa, will greatly improve sound lalo naka deadening mats yung doors mo. last I checked around 13.8k ang Focal PS165 at mickey's don't know if they updated the prices yet.

[UOF9239]

I'm not a guru, but any upgrade from stock to aftermarket speaker kahit targa, will greatly improve sound lalo naka deadening mats yung doors mo. last I checked around 13.8k ang Focal PS165 at mickey's don't know if they updated the prices yet.

Tnks Boss


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[jhnkvn]

Hi mga sir (esp. kay sir kevin)

Has anyone heard or installed a pdx 4.150 in their cars. Would like to get inputs regarding this amp. this is the old version (pdx f series na ata yung bago ngayon). I've read mixed reviews sa diymobile. your inputs and thoughts are very much appreciated.
Thinking of using this to run focals

For me, it was Alpine's PDX-series of amplifiers that ushered in the era of Class D full-range amplifiers back when it was first introduced. You can say it's the first Class D full-range amplifier that actually sounded great and not plagued by the high-frequency limitations of "usual" Class D of those times (that's why usually nasa mono- lang ang mga Class D).

There's both pro's and con's. But let's start with the minus muna. Since this was part of the "pioneering" Class D, you can say that the Class D nowadays are better. But your #1 problem here is that the first edition of the PDX was plagued by noise problems. Ito #1 problem ng PDX dati - some of them are suffering from high noise floors that can only be fixed by getting your unit replaced and wishing you don't encounter it again.

Now the good is that.. you have one of the better Class D amplifiers. In fact, your performance should still be better than Php10-20k of Class D amplifiers in our current time. While the newer Alpine PDX/F series uses Class D modules designed in-house by Alpine, the early Alpine PDX technology was using Bang & Olufsen's ICEPower modules - and those aren't cheap. If that didn't ring a bell, that means that the first PDX was using the Ferrari of Class D at its time and simply reverse-engineered that to create its current technology.

Boss Jhnkvn,
Newbie lng dto tanong ko lng ano magiging improvement pag pinalitan ko stock speaker ko nito Focal PS 165 any idea how much sa atin? yong sa harap lng nagpakabit kasi ako bagongHU AVH8650BT? TIA

#1 improvement should be that everything else is better. Your bass should be clearer, your vocals should be more open, etc.

For prices, use Mickey's website (Mickey's Autosound | Because we love car audio) as a SRP guide. I also use it as a price reference when recommending stuff to people.

After that, go deaden your doors. The benefits of deadening is that your bass and vocals will be.. better. In percentage terms.. no idea.. probably 50% better? It's usually the second step after getting aftermarket speakers for most people.

[barurut]

thanks boss kevin. i heard about that noise issue. abang mode na lang ulit for a good quality amps and 2nd hand.

[riccomina]

I'm in the process of planning my setup for an upcoming Mazda CX5 2.0. My 2 previous rides have DLS B6As and I'm very happy with the SQ.

One ride with a JVC 1DIN HU had a JBL GTO5355 5ch amp and a 12" sealed Rockford Audio sub. The other just powered by a Civic HU and a Blaupunkt 8" powered sub.

For the CX5, I'm thinking of DLS again but 3way. I plan to put the midrange driver in the speaker ports on the dashboard and the tweeters at the A pillars.

Two questions - which is better the DLS Performance C- Series 06-C36 or DLS X-Program C Series XSC63?

What if I try the Focal Performance- Access DFS Series 165 AS3? What would be the tonal change compared to the DLS?

I'm also thinking of changing the HU to a Pioneer AVH-X2650BT or the higher models. Adding a JBL 4ch amp is also a possibility.

Appreciate the inputs of my fellow car audio hobbyists...

[sientobente]

DLS in general sounds warm and laid back. While Focal Access will be a bit bright, lively and forward. Most seps can be tuned to your liking. It will be up to your choice of installer on how they can achieve the sound you are looking for. Please join us at www.kotseaudioclub.com to get further information about car audio.

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[jhnkvn]

I'm in the process of planning my setup for an upcoming Mazda CX5 2.0. My 2 previous rides have DLS B6As and I'm very happy with the SQ.

One ride with a JVC 1DIN HU had a JBL GTO5355 5ch amp and a 12" sealed Rockford Audio sub. The other just powered by a Civic HU and a Blaupunkt 8" powered sub.

For the CX5, I'm thinking of DLS again but 3way. I plan to put the midrange driver in the speaker ports on the dashboard and the tweeters at the A pillars.

Two questions - which is better the DLS Performance C- Series 06-C36 or DLS X-Program C Series XSC63?

What if I try the Focal Performance- Access DFS Series 165 AS3? What would be the tonal change compared to the DLS?

I'm also thinking of changing the HU to a Pioneer AVH-X2650BT or the higher models. Adding a JBL 4ch amp is also a possibility.

Appreciate the inputs of my fellow car audio hobbyists...

First, ask yourself if you'll be stopping there and reassess your budget. While I would say that 3-way speakers will sound better than your typical 2-way installations, it is not always better.

So what you are proposing is:
Head Unit: Pioneer X2650BT or higher
Speakers: DLS or Focal 3-way speakers
Amplifier: 4 channel amplifier
Subwoofer: ??

Truthfully, the potential of a 3-way system is only realized once you tune it right. Problem is, that takes time AND money. While the time aspect is not a deal-breaker for most people, the money is. Most tuned 3-way installations go for 70k~ in total costs. You might want to hear a tuned 3-way system muna before wondering whether it's worth it to you or not.

For the installation, I cannot comment on it. But if you'll be throwing the tweeters in the A-pillars, I would suggest you throw your midrange speaker alongside it to reduce the amount of problems. It's best to have those two drivers as close as possible to each other to reduce phase problems, more specifically.

What is better between the DLS? The Performance lineup is higher than the X-Program. The X-Program is DLS' entry-level speaker lineup so, even without researching about it, the Performance should be better.

If you plan on trying out the Focal, go for it. I wouldn't worry about the tonal change since you roughly tune the sound using EQ. If I were to sum it up, the Focals will be clearer while the DLS will be smoother. What's better? Nobody except your tastes will know.

[riccomina]

In my experience DLS sounds good to me although I have not listened to a Focal. Definitely, the DLS sounds similar to my Polk Audio TSI floorstanding speakers compared to the overly warm Wharefdale 9.1 bookshelf speakers I had before. :-)

Thanks sientobeinte and jhnkvn for your comments. I forgot to mention that I plan to put in a sealed 10" sub.

Another route is Musiko's setup options that he'll be sending me.

[jhnkvn]

In my experience DLS sounds good to me although I have not listened to a Focal. Definitely, the DLS sounds similar to my Polk Audio TSI floorstanding speakers compared to the overly warm Wharefdale 9.1 bookshelf speakers I had before. :-)

Thanks sientobeinte and jhnkvn for your comments. I forgot to mention that I plan to put in a sealed 10" sub.

Another route is Musiko's setup options that he'll be sending me.

Since you're also experienced in home audio, I think it's time for you to take a listen muna. You see, you'll eventually want a certain "sound" that a brand will provide distinctly. This is what they call as a "sound signature". For example, while I rock Focal-JMLab speakers in my car, I'm a Dynaudio fan through and through.

Konting unfair yun comparison. This is because a floorstanding speaker has more midbass drivers to produce the lows which often makes the sound more "warm" compared to a bookshelf speaker.

On a fairly budget range, the DLS will lean more on the Polk than the Wharfdale. The Focal will lean more on the Wharfdale than the Polks. Although if you want a more fair comparison, the Focal is nearer to the Infinity Primus than those Wharfs.

But the better choice will be to to go to Shangri-La Plaza's Audio-Video Driver (AVDI) where Focal's home audio distributor is. Request that you listen to a pair of Focals and voila.. that's your distinct Focal sound signature.

[sientobente]

In my experience DLS sounds good to me although I have not listened to a Focal. Definitely, the DLS sounds similar to my Polk Audio TSI floorstanding speakers compared to the overly warm Wharefdale 9.1 bookshelf speakers I had before. :-)

Thanks sientobeinte and jhnkvn for your comments. I forgot to mention that I plan to put in a sealed 10" sub.

Another route is Musiko's setup options that he'll be sending me.

I have a question sir riccomina, my friend from pdvd also has a cx-5 and wants to upgrade his car audio. will it void the entire yojin3 thing?

[riccomina]

Since you're also experienced in home audio, I think it's time for you to take a listen muna. You see, you'll eventually want a certain "sound" that a brand will provide distinctly. This is what they call as a "sound signature". For example, while I rock Focal-JMLab speakers in my car, I'm a Dynaudio fan through and through.

Konting unfair yun comparison. This is because a floorstanding speaker has more midbass drivers to produce the lows which often makes the sound more "warm" compared to a bookshelf speaker.

On a fairly budget range, the DLS will lean more on the Polk than the Wharfdale. The Focal will lean more on the Wharfdale than the Polks. Although if you want a more fair comparison, the Focal is nearer to the Infinity Primus than those Wharfs.

But the better choice will be to to go to Shangri-La Plaza's Audio-Video Driver (AVDI) where Focal's home audio distributor is. Request that you listen to a pair of Focals and voila.. that's your distinct Focal sound signature.

Hi Jhnkvn,
I get what you mean by the Infinity Primus sound signature. And yes, I'm aware of Focal's stature in the home audio world but have not listened to them yet. The November HiFi show will be held in Dusit in a few weeks. I will definitely drop by.

In addition, hopefully, I'll find someone with a Focal car setup before Dec when I have to make a decision. :-)

[riccomina]

I have a question sir riccomina, my friend from pdvd also has a cx-5 and wants to upgrade his car audio. will it void the entire yojin3 thing?

I have not asked the Mazda SA specifically about that but I think only the items that were removed (ex. HU, speakers) will have their warranty void. Ask him/her to check with the car dealer.

[jhnkvn]

Hi Jhnkvn,
I get what you mean by the Infinity Primus sound signature. And yes, I'm aware of Focal's stature in the home audio world but have not listened to them yet. The November HiFi show will be held in Dusit in a few weeks. I will definitely drop by.

In addition, hopefully, I'll find someone with a Focal car setup before Dec when I have to make a decision. :-)

Well you're just lucky because..



Audition nights seemed to have been revived lately after successful home audio demos ;) Would I drop by? Tentative. I'd say a 70% chance it is.

[riccomina]

Jhnkvn, Thanks for the headsup!


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