audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[sientobente]

Re: Ported versus Sealed

Personally, I prefer ported enclosures.

Both concepts have their own pros and cons. For example, technically, sealed boxes will always have higher distortion than ported boxes for a given output while ported boxes will always have time-delay related issues.
- a sealed box is not "SQ" compared to a ported box. That's like saying a Php160,000 JL Fantom 15" subwoofer is not "SQ" because it's ported.
- the time delay concept is one of the reasons why people suck at tuning ported enclosures. However, it isn't night and day difference and that problem is only applicable to the hardcore 1%.

All those misnomers people throw "tightness", "loose", etc. are all analogies that refer to an improperly tuned SYSTEM. It is because people fail to tune their midbass to integrate seamlessly with their subwoofer that you get sloppiness. It's not because of your box.
- I mean, I'm typing this in front of a Dynaudio Excite X12 loudspeaker and it's singing with a port. So is my computer setup with the Klipsch R-15PMs which also has a port.

The reason why people in "SQ" prefers sealed is because it's easier to get it right. However, I've sat in cars with beautifully tuned ported enclosures and it has its own fair share of WOW moments (for example, Mike's Php1.3M full bewith system incorporates a 8" bewith subwoofer in a ported enclosure; so is their midbass ALSO on a ported enclosure).

Very interesting concept boss jhnkvn. I would love to hear that ported sub for SQ.


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[wsa 400]

Just like to ask the audio experts if it is worthwhile to use the head unit of a Honda HRV and connect it to an Alpine PXA-H800 sound processor with a 4 channel amp and powered sub. Got the sound processor and its controller preowned from a shop in Banawe.
Thanks in advance for the advice

[nixce]

Just like to ask the audio experts if it is worthwhile to use the head unit of a Honda HRV and connect it to an Alpine PXA-H800 sound processor with a 4 channel amp and powered sub. Got the sound processor and its controller preowned from a shop in Banawe.
Thanks in advance for the advice

Hi Sir,

I think yes. Si Sir JHNKVN naka ganyan sa auto nya,, BTW astig auto nya hehe one perfect sound machine, and naka ganyan siya, PXA H800

[boybit]

Hi mga sir . Have anyone use the brand c7 or category 7 ampand speakers ok ba ito vs maggus amp. The seller told me same company lang ang gumawa.

[glenn manikis]

Yes. It's a wiring problem so you're picking up the whine. Sadly, correcting the problem takes time. Double check the connections as a start then rewire it.

Sir jhnkvn any recommended shop's that can help me upgrade my sound system on my Everest Titanium Plus... without replacing the OEM head unit?

Q.c. area

[markygy]

Hi mga sir . Have anyone use the brand c7 or category 7 ampand speakers ok ba ito vs maggus amp. The seller told me same company lang ang gumawa.

Yun mga raw/pro drivers lalo na yun subs nila are very popular for those with a budget that wants to go loud.

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[boybit]

Hi Sir,

I think yes. Si Sir JHNKVN naka ganyan sa auto nya,, BTW astig auto nya hehe one perfect sound machine, and naka ganyan siya, PXA H800

Yun mga raw/pro drivers lalo na yun subs nila are very popular for those with a budget that wants to go loud.

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How about the amplifier quality vs sound magus? Yun mga raw kasi malaki ang magnet baka d pumasok sa pinto mg montero

[jhnkvn]

Just like to ask the audio experts if it is worthwhile to use the head unit of a Honda HRV and connect it to an Alpine PXA-H800 sound processor with a 4 channel amp and powered sub. Got the sound processor and its controller preowned from a shop in Banawe.
Thanks in advance for the advice

To fully maximize the processor, you'll want a flat signal to begin with. Problem is: most stock head units have some built-in processing to help tune and protect the stock speakers (that's why even if you max the volume of your 2007 Civic, you're speakers are still alive). So if you really want to maximize the performance aspect of it, one of the options on the table are aftermarket head units. You really just need a clean signal -- even Php3000 Pioneers do the job.

But if you're like me who disdains the use of aftermarket head units (for cost and aesthetics), then just use it. By itself, it's already potent.

Either case, it's a relatively good idea to have an installer check your head unit' signal quality first. An excellent installer can more or less know via ear what the deficiencies are (ex. -5dB around the 200hz region). That knowledge will help you in tuning the H800 as you can then tune the signal to compensate (ex. you then add +5dB around 200hz).

On my system, it's a bit of a cheat. The Hyundai Sonata YF comes with a stock amplifier that does all the "stock processing". I then simply figured out how the schematics are and intercepted the signal the HU throws to the stock amp. To cut the story short: My H800 is connected to my head unit via an optical connection. The signal is as flat as it can be.

[jhnkvn]

Sir jhnkvn any recommended shop's that can help me upgrade my sound system on my Everest Titanium Plus... without replacing the OEM head unit?

Q.c. area

If you're near the South, look for Adrian Manalaban of (former) BluPrint. They were one of the "big ones" until Adrian moved his shop to his house (aka it's a garage workshop but it's a huge house to begin with). I saw his installations and they were extremely well-made for the Everest (he's into OEM installs kasi).

If QC, try to get a hold of Tim Chan. Drop by Ryan Audio in Old Banawe and look for his whereabouts (he's the younger brother of Ryan and also a globe-trotting EMMA judge: I believe he was just at Europe recently).

But frankly, any shop should be able to do it. OEM install naman yan.

If I were to recommend since I have the same car/model
- use all of the stock locations. Our car is extremely madaya because it has a built-in center channel which.. well, is cheating really.
- set the head unit setting to "Driver" as it's a time alignment feature
- deaden the front doors (partial coverage: no need for it to be incredibly heavy)
- change center speaker
- if possible, center speaker should be the same line as the front speakers (it has to do with the concept of sensitivity)
- okay na ako sa ganyan lang )

[phil15]

Hope all is well! I am contemplating on getting the new X5 gen 3 for the purpose of convenience since my collection is stored on various devices. Portability is also a factor – I can use it for my HPs, bookshelf and as DAC for my Mac. Wifi is also supported so can stream via Spotify as well.

I am curious how it would fit for in-car use, is it worth using it? Would there be any improvement in SQ compared with the Pioneer 5750?

What are the ways to connect it? I am seeing few people connecting it to their DSPs. I already sold my DSP so its far from my options now.

If I connect it via aux or Bluetooth, can it go somewhere near CD quality as well?

The DAP has Aptx which they say maintains audio quality though I know wired is always better – looking lang to make most out of the device with Spotify.

The usability of the DAP for me is beyond question na and I just want for that little ‘push’ to proceed with the purchase if sulit-na-sulit if it would go well with car audio.

Looking to hear your insights bros. Salamat

[jhnkvn]

Hope all is well! I am contemplating on getting the new X5 gen 3 for the purpose of convenience since my collection is stored on various devices. Portability is also a factor – I can use it for my HPs, bookshelf and as DAC for my Mac. Wifi is also supported so can stream via Spotify as well.

I am curious how it would fit for in-car use, is it worth using it? Would there be any improvement in SQ compared with the Pioneer 5750?

What are the ways to connect it? I am seeing few people connecting it to their DSPs. I already sold my DSP so its far from my options now.

If I connect it via aux or Bluetooth, can it go somewhere near CD quality as well?

The DAP has Aptx which they say maintains audio quality though I know wired is always better – looking lang to make most out of the device with Spotify.

The usability of the DAP for me is beyond question na and I just want for that little ‘push’ to proceed with the purchase if sulit-na-sulit if it would go well with car audio.

Looking to hear your insights bros. Salamat

When you're talking about "CD quality", it'll depend on how technical you're looking at. Personally, I'd say yes to both.

You see, you can look at the problem at either source-level (aka, do you have a 16bit/48khz loseless format) or via a chain-level which I think you're asking about. For the chain, Bluetooth will always have the disadvantage in quality but in turn it offers convenience. AUX will be better (FYI, I use AUX on my iPhone to carry my audio signal) in this case. Purists would claim there's too much conversions (digital to analog and vice versa) but don't mind them

[Lzarellano]

Good eve! May konting katanungan lang mga sir
Balak ko kasi mag ugrade ng front speakers, sub, amp, etc.
Pinagpipilian ko is DLS Reference or FOCAL PS 165v
Dahil mas mahal yung focal, gladen amp ang balak ko isama sa kanya. At pag sa DLS, sonus amp ang balak kong isama sa kanya.
Alin kaya mas okay sa dalawang setup? Or may amp pa ba kayo na ma suggest?
At anong sub babagay sa kanila? 8" ang target ko kasi masikip sa pickup lol. DD Redline 508 or Polk MM840?
Btw, alternative rock madalas kong pakinggan like Audioslave, RHCP, etc. Pero nakikinig din ako ng oldies like scorpion, bread, etc.
And malaki ba diff sa SQ ng STP Black sa STP Silver? Thanks!

[phil15]

Thank you for the inputs jhnkvn! Appreciate it!

When you're talking about "CD quality", it'll depend on how technical you're looking at. Personally, I'd say yes to both.

You see, you can look at the problem at either source-level (aka, do you have a 16bit/48khz loseless format) or via a chain-level which I think you're asking about. For the chain, Bluetooth will always have the disadvantage in quality but in turn it offers convenience. AUX will be better (FYI, I use AUX on my iPhone to carry my audio signal) in this case. Purists would claim there's too much conversions (digital to analog and vice versa) but don't mind them

[phil15]

Narining ko na yung DLS reference and I personally used to own the PS 165v. Over the two, I would recommend (with a bit of bias) the Focal. For me, mas type ko yung kapal ng mid-bass ng Focal compared to the reference but make sure to have it tuned properly. The 165v is very lively and if not tuned properly, the highs could be fatiguing in long listening sessions.

Decent choice of amps you got there, up to you really which one you would prefer.

For the subs, since you plan to have these on a pick up - the MM840 with its shallow mounting depth puts it in an advantage. for deadening, both STPs work the same and I doubt any noticeable difference in SQ.

You might also want to consult a competent installer and get his opinion... Goodluck!

Good eve! May konting katanungan lang mga sir
Balak ko kasi mag ugrade ng front speakers, sub, amp, etc.
Pinagpipilian ko is DLS Reference or FOCAL PS 165v
Dahil mas mahal yung focal, gladen amp ang balak ko isama sa kanya. At pag sa DLS, sonus amp ang balak kong isama sa kanya.
Alin kaya mas okay sa dalawang setup? Or may amp pa ba kayo na ma suggest?
At anong sub babagay sa kanila? 8" ang target ko kasi masikip sa pickup lol. DD Redline 508 or Polk MM840?
Btw, alternative rock madalas kong pakinggan like Audioslave, RHCP, etc. Pero nakikinig din ako ng oldies like scorpion, bread, etc.
And malaki ba diff sa SQ ng STP Black sa STP Silver? Thanks!

[Lzarellano]

Narining ko na yung DLS reference and I personally used to own the PS 165v. Over the two, I would recommend (with a bit of bias) the Focal. For me, mas type ko yung kapal ng mid-bass ng Focal compared to the reference but make sure to have it tuned properly. The 165v is very lively and if not tuned properly, the highs could be fatiguing in long listening sessions.

Decent choice of amps you got there, up to you really which one you would prefer.

For the subs, since you plan to have these on a pick up - the MM840 with its shallow mounting depth puts it in an advantage. for deadening, both STPs work the same and I doubt any noticeable difference in SQ.

You might also want to consult a competent installer and get his opinion... Goodluck!

Thanks for the reply sir phil15! Wow knowing na sikat ang DLS para sa midbass, at based sa ibang nababasa ko mahina daw ang midbass ng focal although bawing bawi naman sa details. Pero bali pagdating sa Reference vs PS165v, mas maganda midbass nung 165v? Hirap talaga magdecide hanggat di ko pa naririnig hehe. May mga nag suggest kasi sakin na mag DLS Reference dahil sa genre na pinapakinggan ko, pero nagtingin din naman ako reviews ng PS165v at okay naman nga daw, need lang ayusin talaga tono ng tweeter. Boses at midbass habol ko so baka mag focal na ako, kaya naman siguro ng installer ayusin para hindi masyado maging bright. Ill go for Gladen M-Line 75.4, PolkMM840, at STP Black na. Kailangan ko pa marinig yung DLS at Focal pa para maka decide 100% hahaha.

[jhnkvn]

Good eve! May konting katanungan lang mga sir
Balak ko kasi mag ugrade ng front speakers, sub, amp, etc.
Pinagpipilian ko is DLS Reference or FOCAL PS 165v
Dahil mas mahal yung focal, gladen amp ang balak ko isama sa kanya. At pag sa DLS, sonus amp ang balak kong isama sa kanya.
Alin kaya mas okay sa dalawang setup? Or may amp pa ba kayo na ma suggest?
At anong sub babagay sa kanila? 8" ang target ko kasi masikip sa pickup lol. DD Redline 508 or Polk MM840?
Btw, alternative rock madalas kong pakinggan like Audioslave, RHCP, etc. Pero nakikinig din ako ng oldies like scorpion, bread, etc.
And malaki ba diff sa SQ ng STP Black sa STP Silver? Thanks!

*Lzarellano

1. Your speaker choice will fall to preferences. And you'll only know your preference once you've heard a lot of speakers as you'll eventually gravitate towards a certain "sound signature". Each person's taste are different and this is what makes audio a very subjective field of study.
2. For the amplifier alternative, you should also take a look at the Helix amps. They've been in the amplifier business for a long time but it just recently (like last year) that they decided to "go down" the price ladder. While they aren't that well known, they hail from Germany and counts Brax as their high-end line. And Brax has always been the envy for people in the industry -- they've always been the creme of the crop.
3. If it's a pickup, pick a shallow mount subwoofer. Pick your subwoofer depending on your space. It's not the other way around as most newbies mistake it to be.
4. Purchasing a subwoofer is: Knowing how much space you can spare -> know what box you can fit there -> choose your subwoofer driver
5. The wonders of SQ is that you'll play all genres well once you've tuned your system well. People don't buy Php1M speakers (in home audio) so to play Eagles. They purchase it so they can throw any song they want at it and it'll sound good.
6. No difference: get the one that's cheaper (on the deadening)

[Lzarellano]

*Lzarellano

1. Your speaker choice will fall to preferences. And you'll only know your preference once you've heard a lot of speakers as you'll eventually gravitate towards a certain "sound signature". Each person's taste are different and this is what makes audio a very subjective field of study.
2. For the amplifier alternative, you should also take a look at the Helix amps. They've been in the amplifier business for a long time but it just recently (like last year) that they decided to "go down" the price ladder. While they aren't that well known, they hail from Germany and counts Brax as their high-end line. And Brax has always been the envy for people in the industry -- they've always been the creme of the crop.
3. If it's a pickup, pick a shallow mount subwoofer. Pick your subwoofer depending on your space. It's not the other way around as most newbies mistake it to be.
4. Purchasing a subwoofer is: Knowing how much space you can spare -> know what box you can fit there -> choose your subwoofer driver
5. The wonders of SQ is that you'll play all genres well once you've tuned your system well. People don't buy Php1M speakers (in home audio) so to play Eagles. They purchase it so they can throw any song they want at it and it'll sound good.
6. No difference: get the one that's cheaper (on the deadening)

Just heard the DLS reference nung isang araw. Well sa tingin ko okay naman na ako sa kanya hehe. May nag suggest din sakin ng helix g four recently. Silang dalawa ng sonus pinagpipilian ko sa ngayon or kung ano nalang sabihin ng installer, sana meron sa mickeys ng Helix. And for the sub, pioneer premiere shallow sub 8" nalang talaga walang ibang kakasya haha. So for the deadening ill go for StP Black na nga lang, yung classmate ko kasi sabi may difference daw Black sa Silver kasi sa kuya nya Silver at black sa kanya, halata daw difference. Yun nga lang magkaiba silang sasakyan haha kaya baka mali lang sya.

Pero kayo sir jhnkvn, ano opinion niyo sa DLS reference vs Focal 165v? Yup ittry ko naman din focal bago ako bumili. Kaso nga lang di ako makapag aral para sa exams ko kakaisip sa kanila! Hahaha

[joey36b]

May inputs na mga guru's natin [emoji1369][emoji1369] hindi kana magkakamali nyan hehe. Dagdag ko lang, if your planning to use 75.4 amp at bridge connection ang ch 3 and 4 para sa MM840 baka lang kapusin i think its better to use atleast 100.4 para may 200rms at 4ohms ang sub or add another mono amp na 350rms para maganda ang bigay ng subwoofer.


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[Lzarellano]

May inputs na mga guru's natin [emoji1369][emoji1369] hindi kana magkakamali nyan hehe. Dagdag ko lang, if your planning to use 75.4 amp at bridge connection ang ch 3 and 4 para sa MM840 baka lang kapusin i think its better to use atleast 100.4 para may 200rms at 4ohms ang sub or add another mono amp na 350rms para maganda ang bigay ng subwoofer.


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Hehe wala na ako balak mag MM840, Wala paglalagyan. Footwell box lang ata pagasa ko if mag polk ako. Masyado hassle para sa mga nasa passenger seat

[joey36b]

Mayenclosure design para sa likod ng rear seat ng pickup ung 8" swak na swak even 10's. DD masisiyahan ka na.


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