audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

Hi guys! A question, for simple budget set ups. Ano po ang bang for the buck na amplifier? Also dapat pa ba ako magpa deadening? Nag-upgrade ako ng HU recently then nagpalagay ng infinity seps, hindi parin ako satisfied sa sound (bass lacking) kaya balak magpalagay ng sub. Please paturo naman kung ano ang dapat kong gawin. Salamat!

1. A bang per buck amplifier... differs by person to person and from budget to budget. It's kinda like asking kung ano ang "bang-per-buck" watch. Some might say G-Shock while others define it as Tagheurs. For me, I generally define bang-per-buck as secondhand amplifiers that I like and is selling below 50% SRP.

2. Sound deadening: It's highly recommended for newbies.

3. It's lacking in bass because your typical separate crossover cutoff is at 80hz. This is to protect the speaker so you don't end up carelessly frying it. A subwoofer would be way better suited in reproducing your "bass" ;)

Please paturo naman kung ano ang dapat kong gawin.
Two questions:
1. Ano ba gusto mo pa ipagawa?
2. What's your current system?

[Amanda Subedi]

1. A bang per buck amplifier... differs by person to person and from budget to budget. It's kinda like asking kung ano ang "bang-per-buck" watch. Some might say G-Shock while others define it as Tagheurs. For me, I generally define bang-per-buck as secondhand amplifiers that I like and is selling below 50% SRP.

2. Sound deadening: It's highly recommended for newbies.

3. It's lacking in bass because your typical separate crossover cutoff is at 80hz. This is to protect the speaker so you don't end up carelessly frying it. A subwoofer would be way better suited in reproducing your "bass" ;)

Please paturo naman kung ano ang dapat kong gawin.
Two questions:
1. Ano ba gusto mo pa ipagawa?
2. What's your current system?

Thank you for the quick response!

I own a Honda Jazz (2013) and recently upgraded the stock HU to Pioneer 8450. Nagpa install narin ng infinity seps pero talagang hindi satisfied sa naririnig ko. Pinaglalaruan ko na ang settings sa HU pero hindi ko talaga makuha yung gusto ko na tunog. Sa totoo lang parang gusto ko pa nung stock HU at stock speakers palang ang nakalagay. Sa current set up ko hinahanap ko ay yung bass, pero hindi naman yung sobrang lakas.

Im after sound clarity at yung may kaunting oomph but not the one that would cause the car to shake or vibrate :D I hope Im making sense. Maraming salamat po!!

[jhnkvn]

Thank you for the quick response!

I own a Honda Jazz (2013) and recently upgraded the stock HU to Pioneer 8450. Nagpa install narin ng infinity seps pero talagang hindi satisfied sa naririnig ko. Pinaglalaruan ko na ang settings sa HU pero hindi ko talaga makuha yung gusto ko na tunog. Sa totoo lang parang gusto ko pa nung stock HU at stock speakers palang ang nakalagay. Sa current set up ko hinahanap ko ay yung bass, pero hindi naman yung sobrang lakas.

Im after sound clarity at yung may kaunting oomph but not the one that would cause the car to shake or vibrate :D I hope Im making sense. Maraming salamat po!!

Sa totoo lang parang gusto ko pa nung stock HU at stock speakers palang ang nakalagay.
If you're loving the stock system over the current one. It's probably due to wrong installation. An inverted polarity speaker will do wonders in having that "wtf masmaganda pa stock ko" moments.

From the Pioneer 8450 head unit, do you have an amplifier powering your speakers? If yes, you have to check whether it has enough channels for a subwoofer. Most amplifiers come in mono (1), two, four, and five channels with four-channels being most common. If you have the four, the easiest way to integrate the subwoofer is to have channels 1 and 2 for the Infinity speakers up front and bridge channels 3 and 4 for the subwoofer.

As for the subwoofer, choose whatever you like. Do you need space? If yes and your aim isn't car-shaking bass then an 8" would suffice. Depending on your subwoofer, you will need to then design a box: sealed or ported? If you have an installer, you should consult him regarding your options. Most installers go for a 12" subwoofer in a 1.5 cu.ft ported or sealed box.

Where do you generally live ba? Seeing as you're around QC.. if you're around Banawe you can easily contact me as I live near the area and, depending on my free time, could help you out in your car audio Q&As.

[Amanda Subedi]

Sa totoo lang parang gusto ko pa nung stock HU at stock speakers palang ang nakalagay.
If you're loving the stock system over the current one. It's probably due to wrong installation. An inverted polarity speaker will do wonders in having that "wtf masmaganda pa stock ko" moments.

From the Pioneer 8450 head unit, do you have an amplifier powering your speakers? If yes, you have to check whether it has enough channels for a subwoofer. Most amplifiers come in mono (1), two, four, and five channels with four-channels being most common. If you have the four, the easiest way to integrate the subwoofer is to have channels 1 and 2 for the Infinity speakers up front and bridge channels 3 and 4 for the subwoofer.

As for the subwoofer, choose whatever you like. Do you need space? If yes and your aim isn't car-shaking bass then an 8" would suffice. Depending on your subwoofer, you will need to then design a box: sealed or ported? If you have an installer, you should consult him regarding your options. Most installers go for a 12" subwoofer in a 1.5 cu.ft ported or sealed box.

Where do you generally live ba? Seeing as you're around QC.. if you're around Banawe you can easily contact me as I live near the area and, depending on my free time, could help you out in your car audio Q&As.

Thank you for the response. Mukhang ilalagay ang Pioneer HU sa ibang sasakyan pero ipapasa sa akin yung 2 Din unit mula sa sasakyan na yun (I believe it's an AVT HU) mukhang may sub out port naman yata sa likod.

Ito po ang mga nasa akin ngayon: (karamihan ay pinamana lang)

(AVT) 2 Din HU
Infinity Seps
6.5 inch Digital Design sub with enclosure
Kinetic KD70 amplifier
Double din audio panel for GE Jazz

I live near Banawe din (Villa Espana) at naghananap ngayon nang mag install, may ma recommend po ba kayo na malapit na mahusay mag install? Lagi ako napapadpad sa Candyshop kaso parang ilang oras na ako nakatayo at nagpapa cute dun at nakikipag eye to eye contact na sa mga employees at sa may ari yata kaso dedma lang sakin (maayos naman ang suot ko at mukha namang may laman ang wallet :p) may ma recommend ka po ba and any other suggestions? should I add anything or change anything sa lineup ko? I am also opting for sound deadening, may shop po ba na gumagawa nyan sa Banawe? Maraming salamat po! Hoping to get this project done tomorrow :D

[jhnkvn]

Thank you for the response. Mukhang ilalagay ang Pioneer HU sa ibang sasakyan pero ipapasa sa akin yung 2 Din unit mula sa sasakyan na yun (I believe it's an AVT HU) mukhang may sub out port naman yata sa likod.

Ito po ang mga nasa akin ngayon: (karamihan ay pinamana lang)

(AVT) 2 Din HU
Infinity Seps
6.5 inch Digital Design sub with enclosure
Kinetic KD70 amplifier
Double din audio panel for GE Jazz

I live near Banawe din (Villa Espana) at naghananap ngayon nang mag install, may ma recommend po ba kayo na malapit na mahusay mag install? Lagi ako napapadpad sa Candyshop kaso parang ilang oras na ako nakatayo at nagpapa cute dun at nakikipag eye to eye contact na sa mga employees at sa may ari yata kaso dedma lang sakin (maayos naman ang suot ko at mukha namang may laman ang wallet :p) may ma recommend ka po ba and any other suggestions? should I add anything or change anything sa lineup ko? I am also opting for sound deadening, may shop po ba na gumagawa nyan sa Banawe? Maraming salamat po! Hoping to get this project done tomorrow :D

As much as possible, I would try to get the Pioneer head unit over the AVT head unit unless want or need the features of the AVT. You'll have less car audio hassles with the Pioneers ;)

In Banawe, my preferred installer is still Nogs of Candyshop. I haven't availed of his services personally but a lot of my friends have and as such, I usually recommend him as well. There are other reputable shops naman near Banawe: Candyshop, his neighbor JetCar, Ginza Audio, Maspro, DawgAudio, and C3. Among these, Jetcar and DawgAudio charges above average rates for better than average works. C3 used to be my brother's favorite in 2003 but I never came to like them (they're good at discounting prices though).

Wag ka kasi magpacute, just go in and ask for the proprietor. Nahiya ka pa eh ikaw naman customer a lot of people simply make tambays at Banawe kasi so it isn't surprising they aren't approaching you if nagpapacute ka lang. The owner is Arnold Yang or Nogs and his table is at the farthest side of Candyshop. Lapitan mo lang then explain what you need.

Okay, we have a problem sa lineup mo. Your amplifier, the Kinetic KD70 is their Kinetic's amplifier that has a vacuum tube pre-amplifier stage and retails around Php8000. Problem is that I believe it is NOT stable being bridged. What this means is that you'll probably have to power your subwoofer using just one of the channels (effectively, your sub will be getting 70W * 4ohms) which isn't a lot but I suggest trying it out muna before purchasing a mono amplifier.

Pero the easier way to do it is to simply rely on your installer. So pick one, tell them what you want and your budget, and ask them for their opinions. I would try to hold off any purchases (they'll obviously push you to buy "better") until you actually have "maximized" your setup. Oh yeah, and YGPM.

[beni23]

Thank you for the response. Mukhang ilalagay ang Pioneer HU sa ibang sasakyan pero ipapasa sa akin yung 2 Din unit mula sa sasakyan na yun (I believe it's an AVT HU) mukhang may sub out port naman yata sa likod.

Ito po ang mga nasa akin ngayon: (karamihan ay pinamana lang)

(AVT) 2 Din HU
Infinity Seps
6.5 inch Digital Design sub with enclosure
Kinetic KD70 amplifier
Double din audio panel for GE Jazz

I live near Banawe din (Villa Espana) at naghananap ngayon nang mag install, may ma recommend po ba kayo na malapit na mahusay mag install? Lagi ako napapadpad sa Candyshop kaso parang ilang oras na ako nakatayo at nagpapa cute dun at nakikipag eye to eye contact na sa mga employees at sa may ari yata kaso dedma lang sakin (maayos naman ang suot ko at mukha namang may laman ang wallet :p) may ma recommend ka po ba and any other suggestions? should I add anything or change anything sa lineup ko? I am also opting for sound deadening, may shop po ba na gumagawa nyan sa Banawe? Maraming salamat po! Hoping to get this project done tomorrow :D

Kay jetcar ka na lang. Tinungkab tungkab ni candyshop yung dashboard ng sasakyan and did not even offer to fix it when I said the problem to him.

[joemarski]

Kay jetcar ka na lang. Tinungkab tungkab ni candyshop yung dashboard ng sasakyan and did not even offer to fix it when I said the problem to him.

:bwahaha: Natawa naman ako dito. "Tinungkab- tungkab", hehehe.
Baka naman ginawa ng Anay Finish ang dashboard nun. :hysterical:

[beni23]

:bwahaha: Natawa naman ako dito. "Tinungkab- tungkab", hehehe.
Baka naman ginawa ng Anay Finish ang dashboard nun. :hysterical:

Trust me, it isn't funny at all. Araw araw ko kaya nakikita yung tungkab na yun. 10 na sugat sa dashboard ko, magkabilaan sa stereo panel ko. Pinalagyan ko na lang ng sticker kasi kahit lagyan ko ng pentel pen, kitang kita pa rin.

[joemarski]

Trust me, it isn't funny at all. Araw araw ko kaya nakikita yung tungkab na yun. 10 na sugat sa dashboard ko, magkabilaan sa stereo panel ko. Pinalagyan ko na lang ng sticker kasi kahit lagyan ko ng pentel pen, kitang kita pa rin.

Really??? Pambihira!!! Pinag- praktisan pala ang dashboard mo kung ganun?!?
Baka sinungkit- sungkit pa ng screwdrivers yung gilid ng HU, ang saklap nun! Kitang- kita!
(hindi naman sana). Unskilled Professionals pala mga gumagawa diyan.
Dapat diyan i- blacklist na, baka may mabiktima pa! :mad:

Sorry 'bout that sir. :sad:

[jhnkvn]

Actually, Banawe is more of a "you pay what you get". This is the reason, although it's near, that I didn't have my installation done there. I have no worries if I'll be personally supervising them but alas, it's not like I can make bantay there while they work on my car.

[beni23]

Actually, Banawe is more of a "you pay what you get". This is the reason, although it's near, that I didn't have my installation done there. I have no worries if I'll be personally supervising them but alas, it's not like I can make bantay there while they work on my car.

Baka may fix kang alam dito bro?

[wezz_zzew]

Kay jetcar ka na lang. Tinungkab tungkab ni candyshop yung dashboard ng sasakyan and did not even offer to fix it when I said the problem to him.

Ha,ha. Ganito din dapat gagawin nung mga kumag sa Banawe nung nagpapalit ako ng HU. Pilit pa namang inaalis ung HU ko gamit ung screwdriver. Sabi ko na lang, "kuya itigil nyo na lang po, mukhang di nyo naman alam kung paano tanggalin eh. Kinakabahan lang ako sa masisira nyo." Nalaman ko na lang sa Honda nung nagpa maintenance ako na dapat tanggalin ung buong panel sa baba ng aircon switch para maabot ung screw nung HU sa loob/likod.

[jhnkvn]

Baka may fix kang alam dito bro?

Although I doubt I can provide a solution, may picture ka dyan?

[JohnM]

May underseat powered sub ba na around 2k lang? All I need is to augment my Vios' bass. Nakatodo na kasi sa "EQ" kaya nasasapawan na ang highs.

[beni23]

Although I doubt I can provide a solution, may picture ka dyan?

I called seatmate kanina. Nagtanong ako ng repaint ng dashboard. It costs 8500 daw. Baka lang may alam kayong fix.

[JohnM]

Di ba replaceable ang vent panel? That looks bad.

[jhnkvn]

*beni23
Wala ba sila mga touch-up lang? Then again, that's hard to do as the scratch's pretty deep.

Personally, I'll just leave it as it is. It might piss you off at times but I believe there isn't any cheap "fix" to restore it back to its original state. I'll try to pursue John's advice in the vent panel and hope it's detached from the body (doubtful here too)

*JohnM
I would suggest EQing the treble and mids kung nasasapawan na ang highs. Although my usual suggestion would be to lower the EQ (maxing it out isn't really all that great) and try to make it up by more power (increase the volume knob). Ex. If your usual setting's 10/10 bass, 0/10 mids, 0/10 treble at volume 10. Try to aim for 5/10 bass, 2/10 mids, 4/10 treble and volume 20.

[jhnkvn]

Oh yeah, as for the 2,000php active subwoofers. Hmmm.. meron naman but they're of extremely low quality. I think you can still find some tubular NBN subwoofers at those prices cguro. Lightning Lab's around 4k I think.

Personally, I won't go for them. Instead, I'll try to improve my existing setup via better speakers or better tuning.

[permanentmarker]

any suggestions on a basic sound setup?
vios '04

inquired at a shop 10k package - box, v12 amp 4 ch, 1sub JBL 10", separates - forgot the brand (D___ something two words)
11k = +1 more sub 10"jbl.

is this legit?
any other suggestions? thanks

[jhnkvn]

any suggestions on a basic sound setup?
vios '04

inquired at a shop 10k package - box, v12 amp 4 ch, 1sub JBL 10", separates - forgot the brand (D___ something two words)
11k = +1 more sub 10"jbl.

is this legit?
any other suggestions? thanks

Is it legit? Well, that depends where are you installing and buying from.

Most V12 amplifiers are knock-offs. These were popular way back in the early 2000s was because Alpine's MRV amplifiers were selling like hotcakes. Sadly, I will raise red flags here. As much as original Alpine amps are great and still solid, there's WAY MORE fakes out in the market than originals.

From my point, tunutubuan ka. A V12's going roughly >3k, you can easily buy of genuine JBL subs at >3k.