audio set-up for beginners [continued]

[jhnkvn]

Mga sir tanong ko lang ano mas maganda Pioneer X1550 o Kenwood 4031 para sa Civic FD?

Whatever suits your needs.

[Francisism]

Same performance lang po ba sila 2? Kung ano lang talaga mas gusto ko physically na lang maging difference?

[jhnkvn]

Same performance lang po ba sila 2? Kung ano lang talaga mas gusto ko physically na lang maging difference?

Define performance. A head unit isn't like a car where you can measure performance objectively, even if you can, you can't hear the difference between the two. You simply choose head units based on your needs. Do you need X pre-outs? Do you prefer parametric over graphic? (okay, in case you can't understand these two terms.. okay lang yan, just get the Pioneer because graphic is way easier) Do you need iPod control? (both of them has anyway)

Sorry kung konting grouchy, but the fact is that these questions are all over the internet. Head unit manufacturers such as Pioneer simply rebrands and renames their products over and over and over again. Maybe a few tweaks here and there but when it comes down to it, it's the same. It's like buying last year's model except that this year model has USB capability.. or that it has a better screen resolution.. or that maybe they changed the chassis color from silver to bronze.

[Richard Sarino]

Okay. Im okay with that. Medyo limited kasi ang budget. Pero wala naman bad feedback sa david street sound?

Final set is:

Alpine HU
Domination Seps
Domination Subs
Domination Amp
Audiomax wiring, gauge 4
Sealed enclosure
E46 HU panel
Installation and Tuning

Would that be okay as a minor upgrade to ny sound system na? Thanks!

And how can i do "active" tuning? Thx!

[jhnkvn]

Okay. Im okay with that. Medyo limited kasi ang budget. Pero wala naman bad feedback sa david street sound?

Final set is:

Alpine HU
Domination Seps
Domination Subs
Domination Amp
Audiomax wiring, gauge 4
Sealed enclosure
E46 HU panel
Installation and Tuning

Would that be okay as a minor upgrade to ny sound system na? Thanks!

And how can i do "active" tuning? Thx!

Yes that'll be okay. The important thing here is to first cover the entire frequency range, this means a subwoofer is almost always quite important to have.

As for "active" tuning, well... there's actually no such thing. Active and passive are simply crossover terms. Active for those whose crossovers (high pass filter, low pass filter, bandpass, etc.) you can actively change. This is usually in the feature list of "tuner" head units such as Alpine's CDA-9887 or Pioneer P99RS. Passive on the otherhand means you have a passive crossover (like what is bundled with most separates) to filter the sound.

[[archie]]

All DIY source out of parts and install. Granting that I won't be joining any sound competition, nor I want to be heard two blocks away, here's my super budget meal setup:

Fronts: Targa X652C seps
Back: Stock Clarion coax
HU: Generic with USB/Aux/SD/RCA output
Amp: V12 NV-10-A-480
Sub: 12" Directed Xtreme 400W in a sealed box

Got the amp bnew and the sub+box slightly used for 3.5k. The Targa seps is 1.8k. Install man-hours probably on 8-12, totally worth it. Hardest part was routing the cables, from the battery to the firewall, and under the carpet from the amp to the sub at the back. The Targas aren't wired to the amp yet, have to find longer wires to route from the doors, but the HU handles them pretty well.

Sorry for the crap pic

nice! I like doing diy also. at least you know where everything is. recently done sq of my old ride, could not be happier yung na tapos. pictures of the finished product sir.

[ParticleX]

nice! I like doing diy also. at least you know where everything is. recently done sq of my old ride, could not be happier yung na tapos. pictures of the finished product sir.

Actually it was my first install... courtesy of Youtube For some pics, ahhh you need to do some imagination Don't like to post it since wires aren't neatly tucked in yet (still have to replace the wires from amp to sub with a 'proper' guage 10), also the seps aren't wired to the amp atm.

I like my setup more than my friend's (he has a Sony Xplod in a ported box and a Clarion 2DIN HU), it doesn't get low that much but it isn't muddy and I can clearly hear the beats music selection must've been a factor IMO

[[archie]]

Actually it was my first install... courtesy of Youtube For some pics, ahhh you need to do some imagination Don't like to post it since wires aren't neatly tucked in yet (still have to replace the wires from amp to sub with a 'proper' guage 10), also the seps aren't wired to the amp atm.

I like my setup more than my friend's (he has a Sony Xplod in a ported box and a Clarion 2DIN HU), it doesn't get low that much but it isn't muddy and I can clearly hear the beats music selection must've been a factor IMO

ahh... still in the process. ported box won't give pretty accurate throws unlike the sealed box can. ok yan sir, unti unti lang para busy sa idle time. Good luck on your project sir.

dapat hindi ko lalagyan yung car ko ng setup until may nakita ako sa sulit that sells on of my favorite amp kaya ayun na. just finished tuning it last night... ubos gas ko but worth it.

[jhnkvn]

ahh... still in the process. ported box won't give pretty accurate throws unlike the sealed box can.

It's just harder to do so. But the statement is false.

A bigger subwoofer doesn't move any "slower" than a smaller subwoofer. Reproducing 30hz from a 15" driver with a 12" is the same.. it's simply the amount of back and forth motions you need to reproduce the frequency. 30 hertz is 30 hertz.

The reason why it's "inaccurate" for some is because they fail to tame the peaks of a ported box at its tuned frequency. The reason why many SQ enthusiasts go for sealed is because its 12db/octave drop goes hand-in-hand with the 12dB/octave increase of cabin gain at frequencies >80hz.

But for those who have EQ, get a driver and throw it in a ported box is the way to go. You enjoy the benefits of SPL, lower xmax, lower THD%, better power handling, etc.

[[archie]]

It's just harder to do so. But the statement is false.

A bigger subwoofer doesn't move any "slower" than a smaller subwoofer. Reproducing 30hz from a 15" driver with a 12" is the same.. it's simply the amount of back and forth motions you need to reproduce the frequency. 30 hertz is 30 hertz.

The reason why it's "inaccurate" for some is because they fail to tame the peaks of a ported box at its tuned frequency. The reason why many SQ enthusiasts go for sealed is because its 12db/octave drop goes hand-in-hand with the 12dB/octave increase of cabin gain at frequencies >80hz.

But for those who have EQ, get a driver and throw it in a ported box is the way to go. You enjoy the benefits of SPL, lower xmax, lower THD%, better power handling, etc.

sabi mo eh!

[jhnkvn]

Hahaha, sorry sorry. Just need to clarify that

[ParticleX]

planning to upgrade the HU. Ace Hardware sells a Sony HU with USB and Aux for 3.5k, didn't took note of the model though. will there be leaps and bounds in terms of sound quality compared to my generic one?

[[archie]]

according to jhnkvn wala daw improvement sa sound but in my case head unit is one of the better ways to improve sound. A head unit that can get at a higher volume with no distortion is the better head unit regardless of features. I'm sure that the xplod hu can produce better sound than your stock hu but ill get a pioneer hu at the same price range.

[Richard Sarino]

Yes that'll be okay. The important thing here is to first cover the entire frequency range, this means a subwoofer is almost always quite important to have.

As for "active" tuning, well... there's actually no such thing. Active and passive are simply crossover terms. Active for those whose crossovers (high pass filter, low pass filter, bandpass, etc.) you can actively change. This is usually in the feature list of "tuner" head units such as Alpine's CDA-9887 or Pioneer P99RS. Passive on the otherhand means you have a passive crossover (like what is bundled with most separates) to filter the sound.

Done!

I got the...

Pioneer DEH 1550UB
Firland Seps EV-602
Dominations Bud12
Dominations Bud450
Audiomax wirings
Sealed enclosure
E46 Headunit Panel
Installation and Tuning

For 26k. Ok lang ba?

[jhnkvn]

The only reason why people usually go for aftermarket head units is because it's way way easier. If you're on stock head unit and it's quite easy to simply swap it out for an aftermarket head unit, by all means do it. It relieves a lot of headaches such as saving yourself the wild FR response of a stock head unit (with some having peaks of +5dBs) or trying to figure out your factory HU DSP filters and settings.

What I mean in my statement in "wala naman masyado improvement in sound" is that most head units measure the same. What you buy them for are their features which, if competing, usually means for their equalizer tuning, time alignment, and other mumbo jumbo stuff.

If somebody keeps on insisting that more expensive head units measure better, I'll throw you Erin's measurements: Why does a 45,000php Pioneer P99RS measure the same as a 20,000php phased-out Pioneer 800PRS? You can't even hear or perceive a THD% increase of 0.1%.. what more of 0.00x%? Don't take the BS about the advantages of a "copper plated chassis" or something.



It's pretty hard to measure higher volume with no distortion. This is because most head units simply throw out 22W RMS regardless of whether it's a 3,000php Pioneer or a 40,000php Pioneer. If your music and driver is demanding 30W of RMS power from you, kahit ano gawin mo, you'll be distorting when all you can do is 22W THD>1%. If you have fixed power and you want to reach a higher volume, get the most sensitive speakers you can find.

There are people who claim that head units sound "cold" or "warm" with some even describing the sounds with flowery words such as "extended highs, deep bass, warm vocals but isn't holographic in imaging". But do you think they can accurately guess which head unit is in a vehicle when they're blindfolded? Ha, I have better chances in playing the Mega Lotto.

This is the reason why I used to joke around people that I should paste a McIntosh sticker sa kotse ko.. just for some magical pixie dust for them to say "woah" and tataas yun sound perception quality nila.. by a lot. And those are all benefits gained from... a sticker.

[jhnkvn]

Done!

I got the...

Pioneer DEH 1550UB
Firland Seps EV-602
Dominations Bud12
Dominations Bud450
Audiomax wirings
Sealed enclosure
E46 Headunit Panel
Installation and Tuning

For 26k. Ok lang ba?

I'm not updated sa price, so I'm not the person to consult when it comes to those

I would suggest that since Dominations na subwoofer and amplifier mo, then going for Dominations separates MIGHT save you some cash as dealers usually have promos on "same-name" setups.

[[archie]]

The only reason why people usually go for aftermarket head units is because it's way way easier. If you're on stock head unit and it's quite easy to simply swap it out for an aftermarket head unit, by all means do it. It relieves a lot of headaches such as saving yourself the wild FR response of a stock head unit (with some having peaks of +5dBs) or trying to figure out your factory HU DSP filters and settings.

What I mean in my statement in "wala naman masyado improvement in sound" is that most head units measure the same. What you buy them for are their features which, if competing, usually means for their equalizer tuning, time alignment, and other mumbo jumbo stuff.

If somebody keeps on insisting that more expensive head units measure better, I'll throw you Erin's measurements: Why does a 45,000php Pioneer P99RS measure the same as a 20,000php phased-out Pioneer 800PRS? You can't even hear or perceive a THD% increase of 0.1%.. what more of 0.00x%? Don't take the BS about the advantages of a "copper plated chassis" or something.



It's pretty hard to measure higher volume with no distortion. This is because most head units simply throw out 22W RMS regardless of whether it's a 3,000php Pioneer or a 40,000php Pioneer. If your music and driver is demanding 30W of RMS power from you, kahit ano gawin mo, you'll be distorting when all you can do is 22W THD>1%. If you have fixed power and you want to reach a higher volume, get the most sensitive speakers you can find.

There are people who claim that head units sound "cold" or "warm" with some even describing the sounds with flowery words such as "extended highs, deep bass, warm vocals but isn't holographic in imaging". But do you think they can accurately guess which head unit is in a vehicle when they're blindfolded? Ha, I have better chances in playing the Mega Lotto.

This is the reason why I used to joke around people that I should paste a McIntosh sticker sa kotse ko.. just for some magical pixie dust for them to say "woah" and tataas yun sound perception quality nila.. by a lot. And those are all benefits gained from... a sticker.

all I'm saying is there are head units that can go farther with no distortion. that for me can deliver more clarity. If you insist na wala, edi wala.

[Richard Sarino]

I'm not updated sa price, so I'm not the person to consult when it comes to those

I would suggest that since Dominations na subwoofer and amplifier mo, then going for Dominations separates MIGHT save you some cash as dealers usually have promos on "same-name" setups.

That was the plan... But hindi kasya sa front ko... Heheheü msyado mataba yung magnet or makapal... Hehehe

[mateomarco]

That was the plan... But hindi kasya sa front ko... Heheheü msyado mataba yung magnet or makapal... Hehehe

Will you have a problem if lalagyan ng spacers kung problem yung matabang magnets?

[Francisism]

Ano po maganda speaker for a budget of 3-5k. Gusto ko po muna sana palitan front speakers ng FD ko, maganda po ba yun Kinetic KD6?