Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 3]

[louiemark]

Question lang:

- Are polish and sealants the same?
- Tama po ba sealant muna before carnauba wax and application?
-What brands are readily available in the market for sealants?

thanks

[jhnkvn]

Just put a cotton shirt dripping wet with water on top of the bird poop and then after it softens bago mo remove para hindi madamage paint mo. I learned this the hard way, removed a very hard bird poop, ayun tuklap paint. Pero sa may repainted area yun kaya malamang mahina kapit ng paint.

Cotton shirt? ako nga tissue lang eh

[indiej]

Question lang:

- Are polish and sealants the same?
- Tama po ba sealant muna before carnauba wax and application?
-What brands are readily available in the market for sealants?

thanks

detailing product manufacturers have used a lot of terms interchangeably. for laymen, "polish" means shine, which is the end purpose of almost all the products.

a polish is something with cleaners or abrasives for correction, a sealant is a protectant applied on paint, much like a wax.

yes, apply the sealant first before carnauba wax because one lays the tougher and longer lasting products before lesser ones and because generally, sealants are more durable than most waxes and sealants are designed to be applied directly over paint.

brands: Carlack68, Klasse, Meguiar's, Mother's

i refer you to post #1 of the newbie's guide, i think you'll find some answers there http://tsikot.com/forums/auto-painti...tenance-77542/

[jiggs84]

mga sir,

puede ba patungan ng nanosliq ang collinite 845?
how long curing time po... TIA

[Ry_Tower]

Cotton shirt? ako nga tissue lang eh

puwede din, used cotton shirt naman.

[louiemark]

detailing product manufacturers have used a lot of terms interchangeably. for laymen, "polish" means shine, which is the end purpose of almost all the products.

a polish is something with cleaners or abrasives for correction, a sealant is a protectant applied on paint, much like a wax.

yes, apply the sealant first before carnauba wax because one lays the tougher and longer lasting products before lesser ones and because generally, sealants are more durable than most waxes and sealants are designed to be applied directly over paint.

brands: Carlack68, Klasse, Meguiar's, Mother's

i refer you to post #1 of the newbie's guide, i think you'll find some answers there http://tsikot.com/forums/auto-painti...tenance-77542/

thanks boss, I'm quite new to this hobby...just recently had my car repainted (hilamos same color dark grey), about 2 months na since it was painted so cured na paint. I bought a meguiars deep crystal system carnauba wax. used it on my car and i'm quite impressed with the results. Though i see swirl marks already and i want to lessen or get rid of it. Should i use a sealant under the carnauba wax also? what would you recommend? I'm looking at mothers Step2 sealer and glaze or Meguiars step2 deep crystal polish (not sure if its a sealant) or maybe a turtle wax f21. Kindly advise.

Thanks!

[umi001]

thanks boss, I'm quite new to this hobby...just recently had my car repainted (hilamos same color dark grey), about 2 months na since it was painted so cured na paint. I bought a meguiars deep crystal system carnauba wax. used it on my car and i'm quite impressed with the results. Though i see swirl marks already and i want to lessen or get rid of it. Should i use a sealant under the carnauba wax also? what would you recommend? I'm looking at mothers Step2 sealer and glaze or Meguiars step2 deep crystal polish (not sure if its a sealant) or maybe a turtle wax f21. Kindly advise.

Thanks!

Minimize swirls through the use of proper wash technique - again, the thread indiej linked you to gives you the proper procedure and products needed. Now, for swirls that are already there, there are two options - remove them, or conceal them. Concealing is done through the use of filler-heavy products such Meg's or Mom's step 2, or certain waxes/sealants like Microtex NanoSliq or NanoSil. The advantage of these is that you're not abrading your clear coat; disadvantage is that these measures are temporary, and will need to be re-applied on a periodic basis. The other option is to polish the swirls out by leveling the paint; you do this via abrasive products such as Swirl-X, Optimum Polish, and other polishes and, if necessary, compounds (there are a wide range of products available). These can be applied via hand or machine, and will permanently remove the swirls. Of course, doing so requires removal of a thin layer of your clear coat - so you don't want to be doing this too often. Also, if you're not going to be washing the car correctly, there's no sense in polishing in the first place, as the you'll just induce more swirls and scratches due to improper technique.

Now, on the products you asked about - both Megs and Mom's step 2 are what are commonly termed as glazes - their purpose is to provide minor swirl-filling and to produce a very deep, wet look. However, these products are not meant to provide any reasonable level of protection - one wash and they're gone - so you will need a different product to protect the car. (Oh, don't be confused by the "Sealer and Glaze" name of Mom's step 2 - manufacturers use different terminologies, but it is not a sealant as the term is commonly defined.) Now, your Meg's step 3 is a carnauba wax, which will provide some protection; however, there are better products in the market than either that or the Turtle Wax F21, in terms of either or even both looks and durability. Again, I recommend you read the thread indiej linked - it will answer a lot of questions you might have, including what I've discussed here, in a bit more detail, as well as providing recommendations on what are some of the value-for-money products available in the market. Quick answer though, is to take a look at Collinite waxes, Optimum Opti-Seal and Optimum Car Wax, and the Klasse twins (All-In-One and High Gloss Sealant Glaze). These are about the same price, if not cheaper, than common OTCs, and are generally better performing.

[indiej]

thanks boss, I'm quite new to this hobby...just recently had my car repainted (hilamos same color dark grey), about 2 months na since it was painted so cured na paint. I bought a meguiars deep crystal system carnauba wax. used it on my car and i'm quite impressed with the results. Though i see swirl marks already and i want to lessen or get rid of it. Should i use a sealant under the carnauba wax also? what would you recommend? I'm looking at mothers Step2 sealer and glaze or Meguiars step2 deep crystal polish (not sure if its a sealant) or maybe a turtle wax f21. Kindly advise.

Thanks!

you're welcome
you may check again the paint system used and its suggested cure time to be sure. if you have to wait longer 3M IHG or the M.step 2s.
as umi said both M.step 2s will only temporarily fill swirls

here's a list of some meg's polish ordered from min to max abrasiveness
1. step 1
2. swirlx
3. scratch-x
4. ultimate compound
there's a chart of this in the net. search keywords - smat , oh heck here it is The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you! - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum

take your pick (number two m'lord) just remember, if you're grunting while rubbing, you may need a stronger abrasive.

make do with wax and cleaner wax for now. i suggest opti-seal if you want a sealant. go for wipe on walk away stuff. make sure they're not known for streaking though.

[indiej]

mga sir,

puede ba patungan ng nanosliq ang collinite 845?
how long curing time po... TIA

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pwede.
siguro 8+ hours para tumigas ang 845 tapos Nanosliq ka na, ngunit bakit?

ok rin pagmasdan ang kintab ng 845. kahit sa sunod mo nang paghugas mag-Sliq habang tinutuyo mo ang sasakyan

[umi001]

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pwede.
siguro 8+ hours para tumigas ang 845 tapos Nanosliq ka na, ngunit bakit?

ok rin pagmasdan ang kintab ng 845. kahit sa sunod mo nang paghugas mag-Sliq habang tinutuyo mo ang sasakyan

Agree. 845 has a nice bright look, but isn't as glassy as NanoSliq. I actually like that bright look. Also, no need to boost so early, just use at the next wash - there's no reason to make detailing more complicated than it needs to be.

[jiggs84]

Agree. 845 has a nice bright look, but isn't as glassy as NanoSliq. I actually like that bright look. Also, no need to boost so early, just use at the next wash - there's no reason to make detailing more complicated than it needs to be.

uy.. thanks mga gurus...
i already applied it and i saw some improvements naman...
so i guess its okay not to wait for the next wash... there was added gloss

altho you may be right sir... 845 seems to be a durable wax...
thanks thanks...indiej and umi001... :D

and by the way... am just starting to learn pa lang...

[zap.FREEDOM]

sir detailing newbie question: does wax can protect our paint from clouding?

[indiej]

how do you mean? it might be clearcoat failure. if it's peeling, it needs a repaint.

[indiej]

..i already applied it and i saw some improvements naman...
so i guess its okay not to wait for the next wash... there was added gloss

altho you may be right sir... 845 seems to be a durable wax...
thanks thanks...indiej and umi001... :D

and by the way... am just starting to learn pa lang...

thanks by calling us just by our names. kung may sir pa, uwian na.

good good. no problemo. aha, tumitikim pa lang :D so we're your enablers. mga kunsintidor for short.

[umi001]

sir detailing newbie question: does wax can protect our paint from clouding?

If the cloudiness is already there, as indiej said, it could already be clearcoat failure, which will require a repaint. If it's an old car with single-stage paint, then the outer layer of paint is most likely oxidized. The paint will need to be fed with an oil-rich glaze, and then the oxidized layers polished to reveal the good paint underneath.

Now, if you're asking if wax will keep the "cloudiness" aka oxidization from happening, then yes, it should - oxidization is primarly caused by UV exposure, and both carnauba wax and most (all?) sealants offer UV protection to the paint, whether it be clear-coated or single-stage.

[air23]

sir, san nakakabili ng 845 aside from autobisyo?

[indiej]

you may ask autobisyo, the distributor. big bert's has them before.

[jiggs84]

thanks by calling us just by our names. kung may sir pa, uwian na.
good good. no problemo. aha, tumitikim pa lang :D so we're your enablers. mga kunsintidor for short.

correct sir... este correct... pasensya na... nasanay na na merong "sir"
subok lang mag-wax... hehehe

[jiggs84]

sir, san nakakabili ng 845 aside from autobisyo?

yes sir... meron pa rin ata sa big bert's that's what it says... its P1200 ata... ;)

[umi001]

sir, san nakakabili ng 845 aside from autobisyo?

Jerome of Autobisyo does meetups in Makati. As already mentioned, Big Berts should have 845 available, as well as a place called PRAutoType Detailing - at least based on the list of authorized resellers on their Facebook page (not sure if you need to like their page first): Colinite Authorized Resellers