Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 3]

[arriachey]

Hello. Pwde po ba magpaturo about sa mga detailing. Got my silver vios last sept 2013. Ano po ba maganda gamitin para kumintab at mamaintain color. Thanks. ))

[indiej]

Thanks for the reply sir btw there are no instructions kasi in the can on how long to wait until buffing out the product. How long does it take usually? sabi wait lang daw hangang mag haze but i cant see any hazing nung nagtry ako.

after wax application wait til it blurs a bit. finger test: swab the surface with your finger. if it doesn't smudge, it's dry.

about the scratching, cd scratch test: use it on a cd, same dusty condition. see if your method doesn't put scratches on it. but not knowing how to find swirls is bliss.

thanks Ginnova. that has UV protection a la OCW? not familiar with new stuff, i still have the old ones. You gone pro?

for noobs, 2 stickied threads this and tamang oc which has a good primer there.

[Vinspin]

Thanks guys for the tips.

Dropped by blaed yesterday and found this spray wax: Mothers FX sparay wax and Mother's reflections spray wax. are these two wax any good? like can they withstand atleast a week? or they just give shine no protection at all?

[jhnkvn]

Thanks guys for the tips.

Dropped by blaed yesterday and found this spray wax: Mothers FX sparay wax and Mother's reflections spray wax. are these two wax any good? like can they withstand atleast a week? or they just give shine no protection at all?

1. They're Mothers, they're supposed to be good.
2. Durability is always relative. What if maulan this week and next week wala? Hindi naman fair basis yun.
3. They're spray waxes. They'll protect your paint.

[j.salomon]

Hi, got question mga sir. Saan po ba makakabili ng Pinnacle Waterless Wash dito sa metro manila?

[Vinspin]

1. They're Mothers, they're supposed to be good.
2. Durability is always relative. What if maulan this week and next week wala? Hindi naman fair basis yun.
3. They're spray waxes. They'll protect your paint.

Hi jhnkvn,

Have you tried both of those spray waxes?

[jhnkvn]

Hi, got question mga sir. Saan po ba makakabili ng Pinnacle Waterless Wash dito sa metro manila?

Locally? Uhhh... you can't. You'd have to import those or have somebody import them.

Hi jhnkvn, Have you tried both of those spray waxes?

I did in the past. However, it didn't really leave an impression on me nor did I take note of results. I treated it pretty much like I was applying any other wax QD.

If memory served right, I believe I was leaning more on the Reflections rather than the FX. Can't remember why tho.

The thing with spray QD is that you're only in for their ease of application. You spray and you wipe. Voila!

However, most conventional waxes will still outperform you in the bang-per-buck category. Take Meguiar's Yellow Wax for example.. it's cheap (when you directly import it from the US), it's easy to use, and it lasts longer than conventional spray waxes.

Don't really mind for the depth, slickness, shine, or whatever. You get those primarily from a well-prepped surface. Remember, a wax's primary duty is to protect. In wax selections, I look for price, performance, and ease of use.

[arriachey]

Hi mga sir maganda po ba gamitin to?? Thanks

[indiej]

detailing instructions and articles

easier to digest if you pick an article that's related to what you're working on at the moment

bookmark
Internet Resources for Newbs - Car Detailing - Autopia

arria, you can google here and other forums for feedback about a particular product before you buy

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How To Choose The Right Wax or Paint Sealant for your Vehicle

Choosing the appropriate car wax or paint sealant can be tough. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of products on the market and they all have their benefits. So what would be the best wax for your car?

Two basic types of paint protection:

Car Waxes contain some kind of naturally occurring wax, for example carnauba wax or beeswax.

Paint Sealants are made from synthetic or all man-made ingredients.

Within these categories, there are two sub-categories:

• Cleaner waxes or Cleaner sealants
• Finishing waxes or Finishing sealants

Definitions:

Cleaner Waxes clean, polish and protect in one step. They contain natural protection ingredients like Carnauba wax. Examples include Mothers Carnauba Cleaner Wax and Collinite Sapphire Paste Auto Wax.

Cleaner Sealants clean, polish and protect, and they use all synthetic protection ingredients. XMT 360 Corrects, Cleans, Seals and Klasse All In One are examples of cleaner sealants.

Finishing Waxes offer no cleaning ability with the focus on maximizing beauty with the protection based upon naturally occurring ingredients. Pinnacle Souverän Carnauba Wax is the classic example of a finishing wax, sometimes called a show car wax.

Finishing Sealants offer no cleaning ability with the focus on maximizing beauty with the protection based upon synthetic ingredients. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 and Griot's Garage Paint Sealant are both finishing sealants.

Hybrids are a combination of both natural and synthetic ingredients, so they don't fit neatly into the other categories listed. Some hybrids clean and some do not. Wolfgang Fuzion Carnauba-Polymer Estate Wax is an example of a hybrid without cleaning abilities.

Cleaner Wax or Cleaner Sealant

A cleaner wax contains a blend of chemical cleaners and often times some type of abrasives, either diminishing or non-diminishing.

Together the chemical cleaners and the abrasives will remove oxidation and road grime from the paint, which will restore clarity and richness of color. At the same time, they’ll leave behind a layer of protection to help lock in the shine and protect the paint from the elements.

Many of the products you see at the local auto parts store are cleaner waxes.

When you go to your local auto parts stores, most of the retail waxes on the shelves are cleaner waxes targeted at casual detailers, not die-hard detailing enthusiasts. These products are geared toward daily drivers - vehicles that are driven every day and therefore show more wear and tear than a garage-kept car. Cleaner waxes accomplish polishing and protecting in one step so they are popular choices for occasional detailers.

A cleaner wax is also what we in the detailing industry call a One-Step product or an AIO. AIO stands for All-In-One. AIO products will do multiple processes in one step, such as:

1. Clean the surface
2. Polish the paint to a high gloss
3. Leave behind a layer of protection

A cleaner wax is best used on a neglected finish because it will likely have paint contamination buildup. Cleaner waxes, or all-in-one products, are designed for people who want to polish and protect the paint in one-step. Their goal is to get a great looking finish without having to invest the time and effort associated with a multiple-step approach.

A cleaner wax doesn't need to be used, and in most cases shouldn't be used, on a car in which the paint is in excellent condition; for example a brand new car or an older car in which the paint has been properly cleaned and polished. Finishes in great condition would be better served using a finishing wax or finishing sealant.

Another example of a finish that does not need a cleaner wax is a brand new paint job after the regular 30 days air-cure waiting time. Brand new paint should look great after you pick it up from the painter but most painters will tell you to wait at least 30 days before sealing the paint with either a wax or paint sealant.

After the 30 days have passed, a finishing wax should be used, not a cleaner wax. Theoretically new paint should in excellent condition so you shouldn't have to use any product with cleaners or abrasives in it. Why mess with perfection?

Application Method

In most cases, a cleaner/wax type product needs to be worked into the surface. Cleaner waxes are not wipe on, wipe off products. Part of the cleaning action comes from you either working the product into the paint or you running an electric polisher that works the product into the paint. The worse condition the paint, the more you'll need to work the product.

Finishing Wax or Finishing Sealant

A finishing wax is much different than a cleaner wax. A finishing wax either doesn’t offer any cleaning ability at all, or at least not enough to be a usable feature of the product.

A finishing wax is a wax or paint sealant used to add the finishing touch to a car on which the paint is in excellent condition to start with and/or the paint has been reconditioned through polishing and paint correction.

If you use a compound or swirl remover to first remove any defects like swirls and scratches, and then use a polish to restore gloss, the last step should be the application of a finishing wax. You've already polished. No additional abrasion or cleaning is needed.

The finishing wax or finishing sealant is the icing on the cake.

Application Methods

• Wipe-on, work in and then immediately wipe off with no drying time.
• Wipe on, allow the product to dry and then wipe-off.

Since finishing waxes and paint sealants should really only be applied to a finishes in excellent condition, there's no need to aggressively work the product over the surface like you would a cleaner wax. With a finishing wax or sealant you would apply and spread the product out of a section of a panel and then work the product gently for 2-3 passes over each square inch just to evenly cover the paint. You would not work the product like you would a cleaner wax with the idea of trying to remove defects.

Finishing waxes and paint sealants are often wiped on, spread around and then immediately wiped off. On detailing discussion forums, these types of products are referred to as WOWO (wipe on, wipe off) products.

Some manufacturers state that their products need to dry before removing. For these types of products, you would apply and spread the product out to create a thin coating. Then allow the coating to fully dry before removing with a soft towel or bonnet.

How To Choose The Right Wax or Paint Sealant for your Vehicle

Choose a paint sealant or wax based on the condition of your vehicle's finish and the amount of time you wish to invest.

Is your car brand new? If so, you will get great results with a finishing wax.

Is your car older and the paint is looking dull? Here's where you have decide how much time to invest. Do you want to do a multiple step process? This will involve polishing to improve the paint's gloss and then waxing with a finishing wax.
Or do you simply want to wash and wax the car? Choose a cleaner wax. You'll still get good results in most cases but with less time and effort.

A cleaner wax will require some elbow grease (or the help of a polisher) to work the cleaners into the paint.

Cleaner waxes, cleaner sealants, waxes, paint sealants, and hybrids are all good choices. Select a paint protectant based on your vehicle's condition, your goals, and how much time and effort you want to invest in the process. No matter which product you choose, what's important is that you're taking care of your paint finish.

[arriachey]

My car is 6months old.

[j.salomon]

[QUOTE=jhnkvn;2334427]Locally? Uhhh... you can't. You'd have to import those or have somebody import them.


Sir, what could be a good substitute? Is meguiar's D115 better than Pinnacle Waterless Wash?

[loverlionus]

Check sulit.com, Optimum No Rinse is good and versatile, but it's not a waterless wash. It's a rinseless wash so you still soak with water, use ONR like a shampoo, then wipe off. I've also used it as a QD and clay lubricant, just adjust the concentration with water.

[red_one]

My car is 6months old.

the 3M Perfect-It Show Car Liquid Wax is a finishing wax so would be right for your new car.

[musica]

hi,,, can someone give me a clear idea of what is a car protection paint,,, TIA

[antricks]

hi,,, can someone give me a clear idea of what is a car protection paint,,, TIA

Our Paint Protection Product is a advanced surface protection, much superior than waxes and ordinary sealant in protecting your paint against sun(uv rays), acid rain and contaminants that corrode and eat up the paint faster than rubbing compound. It means your paint will last longer and even glossier than brand new.Our regular paint protection is guaranteed to last for a year. We also have Antricks HD Armour that last for 2 years and it also has scratch resistant property.

[MonteroGLSV]

Hi Sirs, may alam po ba kayo na auto detailing homeservice within cavite area po?
any contact number po? TIA

[red_one]

if you do some research, you would find out that those "paint protection product" are just synthetic sealants being sold for an outrageous price. it's all about marketing. no way, wax or sealant can last 1 year for a daily driven car.

[vince2929]

Ok lang po ba gamitin yung microtex plush sa washing o kaya drying? Wala kasi akong wash mitt, eh hindi naman malinis mabuti kapag microfiber na chamois yung gamit.

[jhnkvn]

Sir, what could be a good substitute? Is meguiar's D115 better than Pinnacle Waterless Wash?

I still do not know why people will go for waterless washes unless you live in a condo where they're tight in water use.

With a soiled car, kahit ano gawin mo.. you cannot use these waterless or rinseless washes on the premise that.. there's not enough lubricity to contain or wash away the dirt. If small pebble comes in contact with your microfiber/mitt, no amount of polymers or whatever can save your paint from being scratched.

Which presents us on why you want these products. For a quick shine just during a car show? Just use a cleaner/wax QD for the insta-shine and insta-fix.

Not participating in a car show? Then don't touch your paint. Your OCness when it comes to these are actually anti-paint protection since you keep on keeping contact with your paint.

hi,,, can someone give me a clear idea of what is a car protection paint,,, TIA

Detailers' paint protection program is simply a marketing package or deal that involves throwing paint protection stuff (carnauba wax or sealants) to your car. What they actually use differs and that's something you should ask.

For example, Big Bert's PP program uses the Klasse twins KAIO+KSG combination to prep your paint surface by stripping it of impurities and then layering it with a sealant. They then package it on a 3-month time skip from each other since KSG's durability is around 2 months.

if you do some research, you would find out that those "paint protection product" are just synthetic sealants being sold for an outrageous price. it's all about marketing. no way, wax or sealant can last 1 year for a daily driven car.

Not really. Some aren't classified as wax or sealants anymore.. and you can say they're more high-tech. For example, Optimum's Optiguard/Opticoat is like adding a few layers of clearcoat. Antrick's HD program, on the otherhand, uses 3D's HD Nitro as their product (I believe) and it gives comparable performance to Optimum's Opticoat -- just a different method in tackling the problem of durability. Madami dami din sa market such as ceramic coating, etc.

Personally, I'm not a fan of detailer X's paint protection products. I'm a fan of paint protection programs though.

Ok lang po ba gamitin yung microtex plush sa washing o kaya drying? Wala kasi akong wash mitt, eh hindi naman malinis mabuti kapag microfiber na chamois yung gamit.

You're throwing money away. Yes you can use it but it's very inefficient to. Get the Microtex Microfiber weave chamois. Kung hindi malinis mabuti, brush up on your skills.