Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[safeorigin]

ang tanong, kayanin kaya nila ung ibang designs ni kumpareng oyil? lalo na yung "project berzerk".

[kihtmaine]

Thanks

Oyil thanks for the tip.

Here's my design PHUV also can be a passenger type jeep.
Like the patok inspired designs (byaheng cubao, marikina, and rizal).
Hope you like it



Since ang daming namang subic na sasakyan yung gulong nila pwedeng pakinabangan.

Also going green.
- Biodiesel compliant : Jatropha and Coconut based
- The motor oil (lubricants) must be from castor oil plants.
- Led based tailights.
- The engine controlled by a computer, software is open source so it can be tweaked.
- Spacious interior,
- Big legroom.

well eto muna.

[OyiL]

i havent seen the "patok" jeep. anyone got pictures?

[jpdm]

i havent seen the "patok" jeep. anyone got pictures?

I can describe it. Its a mural, ear-piercing, "tutule-busting", disco house on wheels--kulang na lang mirror ball. Malaking jeep, panghakot sa palengke itsura. Yung sumakay ako sa Marikina, sa lakas ng sounds--parang gusto kong bumaba sa ospital dahil sumama ang pakiramdam ko sa lakas ng radio.

Dapat i-ban ang mga yan. the ultimate health hazard e---poor emission dahil sa mausok, eye sore-maka-catarata ka pintura at decoration,at matindi noise pollution-not good for animals too.

[A121]

Dapat i-ban ang mga yan. the ultimate health hazard e---poor emission dahil sa mausok, eye sore-maka-catarata ka pintura at decoration,at matindi noise pollution-not good for animals too.

no, dapat i-ban ang mga driver nyan na walang disiplina.

imho, maganda po yung mga airbrush arts nila sa jeep (usually sa pinto ung portrait ng family nila). i saw one with the whole lord of the rings characters. galing nung pagkakapintura.

ipapahiya yung mga vinyl designs ng mga import tuners sa states.

[kihtmaine]

no, dapat i-ban ang mga driver nyan na walang disiplina.

imho, maganda po yung mga airbrush arts nila sa jeep (usually sa pinto ung portrait ng family nila). i saw one with the whole lord of the rings characters. galing nung pagkakapintura.

ipapahiya yung mga vinyl designs ng mga import tuners sa states.

Agree on that. nagagandahan ako sa mga airbrush art nila and i-ban yung mga driver.
Feeling nangangarera kasi
Dito lumalabas na magaling ang noypi.
Also from what I heard from my niece in rizal those patoks are also chick magnet they are called "back riders" (of course iba naman ang standard natin sa kanila right? sa mga "back rider" eto yung kotse nila )
LGS motors are the one who are making this patok.

[donbuggy]

Thanks

Oyil thanks for the tip.

Here's my design PHUV also can be a passenger type jeep.
Like the patok inspired designs (byaheng cubao, marikina, and rizal).
Hope you like it



Since ang daming namang subic na sasakyan yung gulong nila pwedeng pakinabangan.

Also going green.
- Biodiesel compliant : Jatropha and Coconut based
- The motor oil (lubricants) must be from castor oil plants.
- Led based tailights.
- The engine controlled by a computer, software is open source so it can be tweaked.
- Spacious interior,
- Big legroom.

well eto muna.

Nice grille - visually reminiscent of a jeepney's. A little bit more development of the rest of the body and this vehicle can be a contender for the Tsikot PhUV (to take on the Tableta and Oyil's creations).

[OyiL]

PhUV dugyut

[varga]

hi to all

as we do not have a working body stamping facility in the country, perhaps it would also be good if not better for the forum to likewise concentrate on technologies that will push for the creation of a Filipino concept vehicle.

a car body & interior design simply won't push manufacturers to create a vehicle solely for the Filipino market (the AUVs are currently serving that purpose quite sufficiently).

perhaps it would be good for our product vision to venture into specific car safety technologies in order to make a mark in the global car manufacturing marketplace. start with simple and affordable technologies our universities are already working on. good examples would be collision avoidance technologies, self-regulating traffic systems, etc.

i have a bias for this technology because i am a victim of a vehicular accident. i have been quite dependent on my motorized wheelchair for quite some time now. i am quite concerned that the vehicles and road systems we curently rely on use may still be using technologies which can be improved upon on a concept Filipino vehicle.

perhaps this is one way to approach the current concept design dilemma. work around a theme for the concept. aesthetics, form & function are very appealing themes. but i believe safety is one theme we can all agree to work around on.

varga

[jpdm]

[quote=varga;858840]as we do not have a working body stamping facility in the country, perhaps it would also be good if not better for the forum to likewise concentrate on technologies that will push for the creation of a Filipino concept vehicle.


Hi Varga! Do you have an idea how much it would take to purchase one?How about the Proton factory built in Pangasinan by Ramos? I thought they brought a body-stamping plant of Proton when they came here in 1995? Di ba yun din yung ginamit ng i-assemble uli yung volkwagen sa pinas in the 1990s? Do you have an info?

[ehnriko]

Hi everyone...

About Advance warning systems... I believe this is under the automotive engineering department's job. With regards to design solution... AUV's are sufficient to meet the Pinoys' less discriminating standard for locally made vehicles.

I just noticed something peculiar about the PInoy Market. I started a thread sometime with a headliner "What do Pinoys look for in an SUV?" - I believe I only got 'one' reply.

I ignored it simply because I was actually convinced that it was not a strong question. But, as things develop... I am actually convinced that Pinoys generally buy a car mainly for PRESTIGE. They don't care if that vehicle has a poor auto review as long as 'relatively' speaking - it commands prestige within their surrounding environment.

For example... A resident of Ayala Alabang would be ashamed driving a 3 year old car since the standard of prestige in that area is 6 months old Japanese, 1 year old European or American Car.

While a resident of Malagasang, Imus, Cavite will be proud to drive around with his locally built HAMMER, OWNER or LIBRANO... since the standard of prestige in this comunity is a 1 year old Owner Type Stainless Jeep if you can't afford a 5 year old Japanese Car or 10 year old SUVIC converted Right Hander.

With regards to hitting the A,B,C,D market with 1 Pinoy Concept PhUV... I would say - this is a challenge... possibly... an impossible one.

Keyword: Market Preferrence. A car collector would be enthusiastic to buy the PhUV due to posterity or it's novelty value... which again - would prove my theory right.. in the world of Car Collectors... the guy who buys the PhUV recently launched will have the prestige... since it is a "One OFF".

I don't have the answers to this Philippine automotive dillema, but I can come up with questions.

Advance Warning systems technology can be ordered in kits... China looks at the Automotive Industry the same way it has with its' electronics Industry. It's all the same. It's not a big thing for them since they considered it just like any other industry. Let the IMPEX guy or Purchasing Engineer do the research for parts, components and other items you need to compose the platform of the concept vehicle.

Let the 3D guys incorporate it into a computer platform model...

As soon as the parameters are established... Let the Design group put some curves, lines, shapes and face to this platform.... I believe the guys in the industry call this platform technology.

PT is not about the chassis... it's about the components that are readily available which the new vehicle is going to be using like, hinges, engine, suspension, seats, accesories, etc... to some extent, they may also use some body parts.

with regards to Body parts, I see no reason why the Pinoy cannot make it's own rapid prototyping technicques when we have so much technical resource available around.

We can learn from the hobbyists like Charlie Alvarez (Philippine Classic Car Club), Nene Syquia (Mitchel Motors - makers of California approved 550 Spyders, Shelby Cobras', and MG replicas) and more. these guys are well versed when it comes to fabrication and limited production techniques...

after learning from them, let the Industrial engineers come in - to make a Manufacturing Feasibility Study.

We have a complete orchestra or technocrats in our country... but I think, we need to orchestrate it.

In terms of design... I believe this thread should be confined to Exterior Design Ideas muna.

More power PINOY! FUV! Filipino Utility Vehicle!

[architect]

Hi ehnriko,

Good to see you posting again.

Re target market - It is not the group's intention to target the entire A - D range. We are actually concentrating on the lower end. That said, we are still aiming for flexibility in functionality, thus the modular approach.

Re designing the exterior first. By default, we are following the form follows function principle of design. One basic functional requirement is the ability to accommodate 4 x 8 boards flat on the bed. This requirement obviously will already preclude certain designs.

But I do agree the exterior is just as critical especially if the target market will consider the vehicle as some sort of status symbol. The entire process will have to be, actually is, a lateral one that cycles between the functional framework and aesthetic inputs. Part of the core group is actually finalizing the chassis design. Your input here would be very much appreciated. Perhaps dprox can coordinate with you via PM.

Regards.

[architect]

hi to all

as we do not have a working body stamping facility in the country, perhaps it would also be good if not better for the forum to likewise concentrate on technologies that will push for the creation of a Filipino concept vehicle.

a car body & interior design simply won't push manufacturers to create a vehicle solely for the Filipino market (the AUVs are currently serving that purpose quite sufficiently).

perhaps it would be good for our product vision to venture into specific car safety technologies in order to make a mark in the global car manufacturing marketplace. start with simple and affordable technologies our universities are already working on. good examples would be collision avoidance technologies, self-regulating traffic systems, etc.

i have a bias for this technology because i am a victim of a vehicular accident. i have been quite dependent on my motorized wheelchair for quite some time now. i am quite concerned that the vehicles and road systems we curently rely on use may still be using technologies which can be improved upon on a concept Filipino vehicle.

perhaps this is one way to approach the current concept design dilemma. work around a theme for the concept. aesthetics, form & function are very appealing themes. but i believe safety is one theme we can all agree to work around on.

varga

Hi varga,

Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you will fully recover.

I, too, was in a near fatal accident some years back. I was sleeping in the front passenger seat when we figured in a head-on collision in Urdaneta Pangasinan. I was actually saved by my seat belt even though this was before the seat belt law. (I was wearing it simply because my friend's bodyguard made me promise to wear it.)

In spite of my seat belt, I suffered a fractured jaw, broken right wrist, broken right knee, fractured right ankle, and internal hemorrhaging. So I am fully aware of the need for safety features in automobiles.

As I have kept reminding the core group, the Filipino life is worth protecting, at the same time we do realize it is a difficult trade-off between making the PhUV affordable for its intended market and simultaneously protecting them when they are using it. This is just one of the issues we need to resolve.

As for self-regulating traffic lights, these rely on two things - sensors and driver discipline. I have already explained to the MMDA GM why they don't work here in the Philippines. Simply put, local drivers do not stay in their lanes. Those who are making a left turn will usually occupy the middle lane as well if there is already a long line turning left. If the left turn green light comes on after the straight green light in the cycle, the system will usually wait for middle lane(s) to clear up before switching to the left turn green light. But since the middle lane is occupied by cars waiting for the left turn green light, the system will reach the maximum allocated time even if traffic is already clear before switching over, thus causing unnecessary delay.

And that is just one example. There are lots of other scenarios, such as cars staying in the left turn lane but actually going straight, thus blocking cars behind from turning left. Ironically, smart systems are simply not smart enough to support such undisciplined stupid behavior.

[donbuggy]

The classic Beetle and the Mini were intended as cars for the masses but were also bought by the upper class. British royalty, rock stars and famous actors had Minis. Americans bought Beetles because of the "reverse snub" factor.

The PhUV, if executed correctly, can be made to appeal to the upper class as well as the lower class. How to achieve this is the Holy Grail of automotive design. And to do so with flat glass and panels is the tricky part.

[jpdm]

"What do Pinoys look for in an SUV?" -
I am actually convinced that Pinoys generally buy a car mainly for PRESTIGE. They don't care if that vehicle has a poor auto review as long as 'relatively' speaking - it commands prestige within their surrounding environment.
For example... A resident of Ayala Alabang would be ashamed driving a 3 year old car since the standard of prestige in that area is 6 months old Japanese, 1 year old European or American Car.
While a resident of Malagasang, Imus, Cavite will be proud to drive around with his locally built HAMMER, OWNER or LIBRANO... since the standard of prestige in this comunity is a 1 year old Owner Type Stainless Jeep if you can't afford a 5 year old Japanese Car or 10 year old SUVIC converted Right Hander.
With regards to hitting the A,B,C,D market with 1 Pinoy Concept PhUV... I would say - this is a challenge... possibly... an impossible one.
Keyword: Market Preferrence. A car collector would be enthusiastic to buy the PhUV due to posterity or it's novelty value... which again - would prove my theory right.. in the world of Car Collectors... the guy who buys the PhUV recently launched will have the prestige... since it is a "One OFF".

Hi sir Ehnriko!

Well, I will reply on your question. Well, i think Filipinos will buy--if their income will permit-- an SUV because It is a dressed up utility vehicle. The fancier the SUV, the better.

Generally,Pinoys buy vehicles based on four (4) important factors.
1. "kailangan may panglakad o pangnegosyo"-- functionality

2. "dapat maraming maisakay na tao at gamit" - utility
"dapat matibay at mura ang maintenace"

3. " maganda at pamporma" - looks
4. " kaya ng budget" - affordability or price

Sir, Im talking of filipinos will limited budget--who can only afford one vehicle at a time. Because a vehicle is considered a "basic need" or "necessity". These are the C and C+ market of CAMPI

Prestige is for the A and B market... Those who can afford, 2 or more cars.
Like the guys from tsikot..who have more than 1 expensive vehicles.

if you will go around Cavite, even in Malagasang--I believe, there are very few who still owned or would like to own owner type jeeps. As early as the late 1990s, one by one assemblers of owner type jeeps succumbed to the proliferation of buy and sell shops of second-hand vehicles.

If they have say 50k, for family use, a resident will either buy a kia pride or a restored lancer box type or a daihatsu charade. For business, a beat up AUV or jeepney or a multicab/mini van of daihatsu and suzuki.

I think the PHUV has market aside from the collectors. If the PHUV can be designed in such a way it can be multi-functional by the Tsikot design team or by the MVPMAP, kuha di lamang yung intended na transport group pati na rin yung private vehicle owners at C and C+ market.

Im realistic, it cannot serve the sophisticated Tsikoteers' (A and B) market.Except me, pang C and C++ to the 10th power ako.

More power Filipino Utility Vehicles! We have the best talents here in the Philippines! Go PHUV!!!

[Flagg]

...The PhUV, if executed correctly, can be made to appeal to the upper class as well as the lower class. How to achieve this is the Holy Grail of automotive design. And to do so with flat glass and panels is the tricky part.

Bossing, it has to look different from everything else... wag lang kasin-unique ng mga ssangyong... wahehe...

[Flagg]

Sir oyil, ito yung the best! Slab-sided & very aesthetically pleasing.

Mukha syang Scout II.

[proxies]

PhUV dugyut

e2 bet ko.. uni*** ung design nia for female and male...

[ehnriko]

hi to all

as we do not have a working body stamping facility in the country, perhaps it would also be good if not better for the forum to likewise concentrate on technologies that will push for the creation of a Filipino concept vehicle.

a car body & interior design simply won't push manufacturers to create a vehicle solely for the Filipino market (the AUVs are currently serving that purpose quite sufficiently).

perhaps it would be good for our product vision to venture into specific car safety technologies in order to make a mark in the global car manufacturing marketplace. start with simple and affordable technologies our universities are already working on. good examples would be collision avoidance technologies, self-regulating traffic systems, etc.

i have a bias for this technology because i am a victim of a vehicular accident. i have been quite dependent on my motorized wheelchair for quite some time now. i am quite concerned that the vehicles and road systems we curently rely on use may still be using technologies which can be improved upon on a concept Filipino vehicle.

perhaps this is one way to approach the current concept design dilemma. work around a theme for the concept. aesthetics, form & function are very appealing themes. but i believe safety is one theme we can all agree to work around on.

varga

Hi Varga,

If there's anyone more adept in vision and theme creation it would be you. It's high time that the Pinoys' bar of standards for everything should be raised! Standards for Safety, Quality, Comfort, and Taste.

According to what I discovered in my little research, Rapid Prototyping is somewhat using a more simpler technology which is very much available in the Philippines... and it's actually 45% cheaper than the current industry practice. Advocacy can play a huge role here...

The first priority is to keep our resources and reserves within... for example, Raw Materials including Recycleable Scraps should be kept within our country. A ton of steel scrap if sold as scrap will make only 1 Filipino rich. But if this ton of Steel Scrap will be melted and casted into New Products in our country... it can make 1,000 Filipino's Happy.

Many cars running in our streets fall under the category of reconditioned junks, it is indeed a dream to see Pinoys driving new cars... (Good OPV's)

And I dont see why not? Our pool of talents can compete even with the best students of the best design schools in Turin, Potsdam or Coventry. But there is no need to prove this since we dont have the luxury of international competition for superiority. If you will observe closely where our local artists are spending their energies... it will reflect on the colorful display on our Jeepneys and Tricycles.... This only shows - we are a nation of artists. Unfortunately, something went wrong in our National Identity Programming... the Pinoys became the worlds pool for Junior Managers and Supervisors.... I am really happy this thread just popped up in a serendipituous manner. As Dprox would say - providential.

I have given a few hints in the above mentioned about where and what home grown technology we should be using. Parang Aikido ang principle... We should use the strength of our enemies against them.

Meaning, let them focus in their strengths, and let us focus in using our weaknesses. I would say that the state or condition you are in right now could be a blessing. Your mental energies are much more powerful when your physical extremeties would be limiting you. Your ideas can move the conceptualization phase of the right Pinoy Vehicles come to light. Right Pinoy Vehicle would mean - Hi-standard of quality; state of the Art Design... with ingenious indegenous technology - sitting right under our noses.

Sorry, got carried away by my rennaissance personality... anyway - I like the ideas you have been sending the thread since... I am familiar with those pictures actually... but I never thought of pushing the standards to that level till maybe now.

Which reminds me of the latest VOLVO concept Car... they employed ordinary Housewives to design the latest Volvo Mid-size sedan, I forgot the name, but the point is. They are targetting the majority of their buyers, and normally - it's the wives. So they involved these women into the design process and built the prototype according to their exact requirement. Voila! It didn't look stunning or hot... but it sure will sell! and that's the bottom line. By the way - It had Gull wing doors... The car looks ordinary but descent when its running, but it surely gives women a glorious arrival to their destinations whether buying groceries or attending parties or meetings. (Since the car is a ladies car, it wont be driven on dangerous speeds... which made the gull wing doors OK).

I believe the team are always looking forward for your inputs.



How would this 7G concept fit in to our PhUV concept...
It's a bit smaller than the MVPMAP'S but it can also seat 7 people. i.e. 7 Group... this is still very rough and needs polishing by the group... just a thought.

[jpdm]

[quote=ehnriko;860173]According to what I discovered in my little research, Rapid Prototyping is somewhat using a more simpler technology which is very much available in the Philippines... and it's actually 45% cheaper than the current industry practice. Advocacy can play a huge role here...

The first priority is to keep our resources and reserves within... for example, Raw Materials including Recycleable Scraps should be kept within our country. A ton of steel scrap if sold as scrap will make only 1 Filipino rich. But if this ton of Steel Scrap will be melted and casted into New Products in our country... it can make 1,000 Filipino's Happy.

Many cars running in our streets fall under the category of reconditioned junks, it is indeed a dream to see Pinoys driving new cars... (Good OPV's)

And I dont see why not? Our pool of talents can compete even with the best students of the best design schools in Turin, Potsdam or Coventry.

Unfortunately, something went wrong in our National Identity Programming... the Pinoys became the worlds pool for Junior Managers and Supervisors....

We should use the strength of our enemies against them.

Right Pinoy Vehicle would mean - Hi-standard of quality; state of the Art Design... with ingenious indegenous technology - sitting right under our noses.


You hit the bulls eye sir! I agree 120% to your arguments sir!!!