Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[safeorigin]

ala na akong ideas. baka pwede naman pong magbigay ung mga katulad ni hein ng ideas.

[architect]

*safeorigin

You got PM. Thanks.

[rmb]

nabasa ko sa isang site that there are 100 car manufacturers in china and at least ive seen 10 of them and their cars.halos lahat ng design ay kopya sa MERCEDES BENZ,GM,TOYOTA..and surprisingly at very low prices kung ikukumpara sa mga big manufacturers.hindi ba natin kayang gawin ang ginagawa nila?

[wildthing]

masyadong consious ang pinoy sa intellectual property rights unlike sa taiwan and china....as such okay lang sa kanila mangopya than have the "think" power to do their own design and stuff....

[hein]

The reason you are basically pessimistic about PhUV is because you are looking at COST PROBLEMS common to conventional fabrication and marketing approaches.

The reason we are optimistic is because we are looking for DESIGN SOLUTIONS using unconventional approaches.

In order for any for any product to be SUSTAINABLE, you have to approach it from the cost perspective. Or else it would not stand the competition and die a natural death (like past local AUV projects).

My job requires me to be a REALIST and not create false hopes and promises. Would you guys rather hear me say that "PhUV will be a world-beating automobile with quality at par with the major carmakers at half the price!", or would you rather hear the REAL score.

At this point in time when the PhUV prototype is already made and ready to be presented, dprox is still looking for "DESIGN SOLUTIONS using UNCONVENTIONAL approaches".

Guys, lets just wait for the PhUV prototype and you will see that my professional assesment is correct. I kid you not.

[architect]

Hi Hein,

Knowing now your background has made me appreciate more your comments in this thread. I don’t doubt your expertise in this matter. But I think there is a little bit of confusion here.

I believe the PhUV prototype you are referring is the one MVPMAP is working on. I believe this is the one you are waiting for.

We, on the other hand, are discussing a PhUV which we plan to design and build. It is actually an offshoot of the current MVPMAP efforts. That is why we are behind them in schedule. MVPMAP was supposed to present their prototype last month. The tsikot group on the other hand is still in the design phase; hence dprox is currently looking at alternative approaches.

While both projects aim to produce a PhUV, the underlying objectives are very different. Perhaps if you have the time, I’d suggest you read the whole tread and the previous one, Pinoy Utility Vehicle Bibili Ba Kau?, in order to better appreciate the collective mindset of the posters here. And just perhaps, you might change your mind and decide to help us. We could certainly use someone with your expertise.

[architect]

Just an addendum, Hein –

We do not plan to design a build a Porsche or a Ferrari – we do not even aspire to build a “breakthrough” vehicle as you term it. We are just trying to build an affordable and dependable PhUV – one that will fill the needs and requirements of the Pinoy who may not otherwise be able to buy one.

It need not be flashy or sleek. Never mind if it won’t have the curves and the bells and the whistles. But if it will be able to transport an extended family of seven or eight to their destination safely, then it is of use to our target market. If it can deliver a pile of hardiflex boards day in day out, then it is of use to our target market. If it can haul the day’s catch or the freshly picked fruits to the market every morning, then it is of use to our target market.

Beauty is not essential (though desirable) for what we want to achieve. Affordability and reliability are. And we are addressing both issues in ways that go beyond just designing and producing the PhUV.

[dprox]

ive seen ur website dprox, im really impress of ur fil version of pick up. thumbs up!why dont u join mvpmap? surely,u'll be a big contributor to our phil automotive industry. ...

Hi ocanursjr.
Matagal ko nang inaadhika na dapat magkaroon tayo ng sariling disenyo, sasakyang Pinoy ang disenyo, gawa ng Pinoy, para sa Pinoy. Last year lang kumilos ang MVPMAP. Kaya lang naman nila naisip gumawa ng PhUV kasi nasasakal na sila ng mga imported na CBU.
Yung FUV ko, 2002 ko pa inumpisahang i-design, kasi ober-da-budget ko yung bigboy cars. Si Chokaran ang lumabas, at napatunayan ko sa sarili ko na kaya ng Pinoy.
Sa totoo lang, I offered to help MVPMAP (email ko pa yung article ko on the native auto industry), but they didn't even give me the courtesy of a reply. Either masyadong busy to look more closely, or meron na silang pet designs, or di nila matanggap yung ideas, or hindi sila buo. Anyway, pinagpala siguro na dito ako sa tsikot mapadpad. Mas OK naman ang mga tsikoteers -- WYSIWYG (karamihan) kaya dito na lang ako tumutulong.
Naniniwala ako na dapat pag-isahin at itaguyod ang mga Pinoy na mahilig magdisenyo ng tsikot!
PS: Hindi ako tumatakbo, kaya wag mo ko iboboto sa May 14. :hysterical:

[dprox]

Hello,
since the mvpmap announced that they would come up with the prototype of
phuv ive been following up the discussion and i would like to be updated what its going on...

Hi rmb.
As we expected, MVPMAP did not deliver on the target date. For my take on the delay, go back to http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...481#post797481.
And just to be sure, please don't confuse MVPMAP's PhUV with the one we tsikoteers are opensource-designing here. The Tsikot PhuV is on a different time frame.

[dprox]

Hi mga pips,

pasali po. hehehe medyo marami rami na rin po akong nabasa sa thread na ito na naging intresado po me ng sobra. na gusto kong makacontribute kahit maliit lang as a member of tsikot and syempre as a filipino. hehehe

idea ko lang po na gusto ko ishare. hindi po ba tayo pwdeng gumawa ng isang prototype using mga parts na gusto o subok na natin tapos tsaka natin pagdikit dikitin.

magulo ba? hehehe

let's start with the -
tire - ano ba yung pinaka mura , subok at matibay na tire na ginagamit ng masa? Let's say TIRE A and TIRE B yung majority
rims - same category subok matibay at mura. RIM A and RIM B
same goes with engine, chassis, lights etc.

ok we got now a list of parts na mura subok at matibay na locally available and hoping na locally made din. now ano gagawin sa parts?

we'll try to come up with the running prototype using just those parts that we listed. the prototype will be a combination of the parts on the list. importante na yung parts na nasa list are parts na "sulit" on that certain category. ( quality vs cost )

matatrack natin yung cost ng mas mabilis. tapos kung umaandar, that's the time our designers show their creative minds. they'll to make a design na maganda para sa "hubad" na prototype. In a way, the design would also be the best of everything. kasi pwdeng yung isang design, maganda yung front, yung isa naman sa back part ng car, yung isang design sa interior. we'll combine the best again.... and hoping we have our dream car na masasabi natin na , it is not just a work of just one person, but its a work of a team.

hay pasensya na po kayo kung magulo pero i hope may nakuha kayo. sinusulat ko kasi habang pumapasok sa utak ko yung idea eh. hahaha

Hi treebarkgem. Please don't apologize. Hindi magulo ang ideas mo. Kitang-kita ang logic at pagkapraktikal ng ideas mo. Rest assured, pasok ang design considerations mo sa grupo. Sana nga mas maraming katulad mo.
Siyanga pala. Hindi lang itong thread na ito ang para sa design. May bagong Forum na para dito: http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=105