R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[A121]

natumbok mo brader hehehe


regarding real R&D, mahina or halos wala sa atin yung industry-academia partnership. halos lahat ng R&D ng industry in-house.

dito sa Japan (tsismis lang hehehe), lalapit si Nissan etc sa isang professor para may ipa-research (mostly basic research lang). si professor i-reresearch yun at ang research assistant niya ay yung graduate students. ewan kung kanino ang patent pero andali ng usapan nila. kung sa atin yun, kung sinu-sino pa ang makikisawsaw.

nung nasa state u ako, ang iingay ng tibak laban sa pagpaparesearch ng mga private companies. commercialization of education ang tawag nila. dapat daw mamamayan ang makikinabang hindi mga kapitalista. gusto ko ngang pag-uumbagin pag nangangampanya sa lab namin. wala namang silang binibigay na pera o kaya problemang kailangang solusyonan... anyway, nung may nagparesearch sa amin. naging ok naman ang resulta tas napaltan yung mga naghihingalo na mga pc at sirang measuring equipment sa laboratory namin.

sa patenting, wala namang kwenta yan kasi di naman yang kaya basta-bastang kopyahin. instead na patent, gawing startup agad or isabak agad sa industry yung na-research.

isa pa sa napansin ko eh ang Pinoy, mahilig sa "diskarte". kadalasan ang diskarte pang short-term na solution lang.

[fourtheboys96]

nung nasa state u ako, ang iingay ng tibak laban sa pagpaparesearch ng mga private companies. commercialization of education ang tawag nila. dapat daw mamamayan ang makikinabang hindi mga kapitalista. gusto ko ngang pag-uumbagin pag nangangampanya sa lab namin. wala namang silang binibigay na pera o kaya problemang kailangang solusyonan... anyway, nung may nagparesearch sa amin. naging ok naman ang resulta tas napaltan yung mga naghihingalo na mga pc at sirang measuring equipment sa laboratory namin.

sa patenting, wala namang kwenta yan kasi di naman yang kaya basta-bastang kopyahin. instead na patent, gawing startup agad or isabak agad sa industry yung na-research.

isa pa sa napansin ko eh ang Pinoy, mahilig sa "diskarte". kadalasan ang diskarte pang short-term na solution lang.

hahah buti ka wala na state u. ako babalik na after ng mag-aral hehehe.

pero tama ka. no to commercialization kuno. anti-capitalist pero wag ka puro amercan brand ang suot ng mga kolokoy.

pero sa state u, dami talaga che che bureche. red tape ba. wala na nga budget, napakahigpit pa pag may nagbibigay o donate ng pera.

[robin_micmac]

I'm just wondering. What if meron ngang nakagawa ng Filipino car brand maging Filipino designed pa man or Researched and Duplicated, Sino sa inyo dito ang willing bumili nitong kotseng ito? Just for curiosity to see kung kahit dito sa atin na interested sa thread na ito eh meron willing bumili ng 'Filipino Car'

[donbuggy]

For example, if a locally fabricated car is flat-paneled, boxy and looks like this:



Features:
- a mini OTJ based on Suzuki Alto mechanicals
- high ground clearance for passing through flooded streets

Would you buy one instead of a normal Suzuki Alto or Hyundai Eon?

I would, if the local car is:
- cheaper
- reliable
- well built (no squeaks or rattles)
- rugged (matibay)
- safe
- backed by competent servicing with readily available spare parts

Sure, the folded paper look is so 70s AUV. But the mini OTJ looks tough (or pretends to be), like a mini-me Hummer.

[niky]

The problem is fit and finish. Something which Filipino workmen and parts suppliers can provide, but not at such a competitive price.

[donbuggy]

Solution: Robotic latero.

[EVO-V]

The problem is fit and finish. Something which Filipino workmen and parts suppliers can provide, but not at such a competitive price.

Truth be told a lot of vehicle body, chassis, and other parts are manufactured here. And the technology is nearly a century old. Get a few 800-1000Ton presses and you have it. There's also hydroforming and robotic welding is relatively inexpensive now. So in this aspect it is a matter of capital.

Tool and die technology is also a matter of throwing money into it. Anyone can buy any machinery for it. The learning curve is what is needed to be overcome, and this needs a supporting industry to do so as its not a plug and play industry. There is also an issue of human capital, once your designer learns a little they tend to leave for the next company willing to pay for the lessons they learned at your expense.

So the bottomline in all this is about the business proposition that is really lacking.

Would people buy a Philippine made vehicle even if it is manufactured with seamless excellence that it would not be discernably Filipino? Even if economic challenges can be surmounted can the market accept the notion of a Philippine car? Why bother with that proposed Franken-Alto when Suzuki has the Jimny?

Hyundai took at least a full generation and a half of collaboration with Japanese and American auto manufacturers with huge subsidies and a few bailouts to get to their state of industry. Not to mention holding a very protected market.

Will the Filipino public afford the same inflated prices for cars that Malaysians pay for their locally produced cars? And moving forward, can a Filipino branded car actually be commercially successful? And if so how long will it take and how much will it cost to get there?

Manufacturing a local vehicle is a romantic idea, but we have to understand that it is not entirely feasible for everyone to be doing so for the sake of pride. "F*ck pride" as one Mr. Wallace once said.

The Thais aren't pitching a Thai car brand but they are boasting of a very robust auto-industry. Same with the Taiwanese. We need the proper perspective here.

Muddled notions of competitiveness do not make for good business, let alone industry. We are better off knowing our place in the supply chain, there is no love lost in manufacturing and exporting car parts. That activity coincides with capital, both financial and human, realities of our economy.

Thing is, if you are looking for innovation, we have to accept the reality that we have to make it sufficiently rewarding for the people in the academe to collaborate with industry. Nothing wrong with incentives and nothing wrong with rewarding people for their work and innovation. It just so happens the academic and economic conditions in Japan are different from their counterparts here the former being able to think long term, and the latter pressed with more immediate needs with limited opportunities.